Ok, this is an alarming discovery.

[SPECOPx 10]

A2 (like OFP and A1 before it) refine over time. I never had performance issues but with each patch, the game gets better and better.

I'm loving it!

Eth

Yeah, but look at your rig(s). Your's are way over the recommended specifications and not everyone wants to spend that much on a computer.

[maturin 12]

Yeah, but look at your rig(s). Your's are way over the recommended specifications and not everyone wants to spend that much on a computer.

I have 2.53 dual cores, 4GB of RAM and a middle-range graphics card. I can play battles with 200 infantry in the middle of Chernogorsk if I turn the view distance down, or play with 6-10 kilometers of view distance in the editor.

Except for the RAM, these specs just top minimum requirements by a little. Arma 2 can work and it can work well. Or it can hate your computer's guts.

[bangtail 0]

Yeah, but look at your rig(s). Your's are way over the recommended specifications and not everyone wants to spend that much on a computer.

Yeah, a fairly generic argument. Fact is, the crew I play with have far lesser systems than I do and have no problems so it's a moot point. Further, those are my 2 main PCs. I have others that are nowhere near as high spec and A2 runs fine.

Eth

[SPECOPx 10]

Yeah, a fairly generic argument. Fact is, the crew I play with have far lesser systems than I do and have no problems so it's a moot point.

Eth

Yeah, your friends have to give up graphical settings and view distance to make it playable, whereas you can run everything high-very high and not worry about it. So, of course you're not going to have any performance issues with any patch. Judging by how much time you spend on these forums (always see you posting) and your rigs I can tell computers are a big hobby of yours (no negativity).

[bangtail 0]

Yeah, your friends have to give up graphical settings and view distance to make it playable, whereas you can run everything high-very high and not worry about it. So, of course you're not going to have any performance issues with any patch. Judging by how much time you spend on these forums (always see you posting) and your rigs I can tell computers are a big hobby of yours (no negativity).

Yep, I like PC's and A2. It's like any other hobby, you pay to play. Talk to the guy who dropped 20k on his Skyline.

Sue me :)

Eth

Edited October 18, 2009 by BangTail

[dayglow 2]

Despite the OP's less than eliquent style of posting he does show that A2 is very much Cpu bound. I'd dare say with his rig he would get the same fps, if not close too, with much higher settings.

[4 IN 1 0]

many factor affect FPS AFAIK, the major being CPU, GPU, and HDD

We know that ARMA2 eats CPU like candys because the needs of AI and sometime steaming

We know that the GFX demand is high due to models poly counts and shading/normal mapping and that needs a lots of GPU power

and we also know that HDD post a huge part on shuttering as the game needs to get access to a tons of .PBO files while steaming and reading other date(the game seems to make windows uses RAM instead of pagefile as shown in the windows proformence console)

so you can see, a high power balanced system is need to make the game run as it should

my system spec is as follow:

E6600 without OC

Asus P5B-delux MB

GTX260+

2GB DDR2 800

320GB HDD(main system, gamefile)

160GB HDD(file storage, paging file)

as you can see my spec is quite low range these days, yet I still can sqeeze an avg. of 25 FPS with most thing in normal AA PP off, CPU is the major bottleneck here, and I sometime have 0.5sec shuttering here and there, but I dare to say that A2 is running more problem free then A1 did, no patch ever cause me CTD so far, notthing can stop me from playing campaign after 1.04

Edited October 18, 2009 by 4 IN 1

[SPECOPx 10]

Yep, I like PC's and A2.

Sue me :)

Eth

LMAO. Nah, man everyone has their money hole. Golf, Cars (Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Mercedez-Benz) to show off, Apple Products (I've fallen for this), PCs (you), Houses, Food, etc. These are all things people spend tons of money on and I have nothing against it.

[no use for a name 0]

"Typically dumber AI"?! Are you pulling my leg? I've rarely seen dumber AI than that which I see in both A1 and A2. Or it goes from dumb to superman and can see you in the pitch dark at 100m, while you're laying down in knee-high grass.

You like exaggerating. Yes, the AI have their moments but with a little tweaking it's not that hard to balance them so they're tough but not impossible. But are you're saying the AI in other games...say CoD where they spawn out of points, rush to the nearest cover and shoot you from behind it...is smart? In A2 I've seen them flank, suppress, move to cover, lean from cover, chase me into buildings (with a lovely little addon called SLX), and run from battles when outnumbered.

Sure, it's the "most ambitious game to date". And what does that count for when the AI is brain-dead and the game runs overall on high-spec hardware like a car with flat tyres? Ambition isn't an end unto itself, nor a reason to defend the game and it's developers, as if they were doing us some kind of monumental favour.

Again, over exaggerating. The AI isn't brain dead from what I've seen, many people with high-spec systems CAN play fine, and yes...BIS is doing us a favor by not giving up.

I've just spent the last three hours playing A1 with the group to which I belong. It took us almost an hour to get into the server after multiple re-boots and re-connects. I finally asked over TS "Is this like a really old server?" I was replied to with a bunch of replies saying "No, the game's netcode is shit." And these are guys who know what they're talking about. I then endured 30 minutes of lagging hell, and my game locked-up on the next mission barely after I'd spawned in. This is A1, the last one, you know? The one that's supposed to be fine and dandy by now, after years of patches. But not only are we here with A2, BI are already working on an expansion for it.

That's funny too because like I said I play with a group of people at least 2 times/week and with A1 and A2 we seldom have any problems...usually if the server hiccups it's a scripting or other error in the mission. 90% of the time everyone plays for 3+ hours with no issues. But since your 'boys' "know what they're talking about" then I guess it's 100% the game's fault

And you guys jump all over me like I'm out of line? W...T...F...?! The blind fanatical defence by a tiny minority of gamers for companies like BI and games like OFP, A1 and A2 absolutely bedazzles me. I can think of no rational explanation, other than it's a group mindset that gets more pleasure from just being part of a fanatical niche group than having and playing a good stable solid game.

People are jumping on you because you make bad comparisons, hyperbole, and outright call BIS a bunch of hacks...of course people are going to be a little pissed! We (well at least I) know this game has issues. We've seen bugs that have been in since OFP days. But we see this game for what it really is. I see what the game is, it's the only game of it's kind; and hey...not everyone has problems. Ranting about how the game "is the most horrible thing" or whatever is pointless...DONT PLAY IT THEN! We know about the problems, we also try to help out by reporting them instead of making pointless rants that go on with a bunch of jibberish.

The general response seems to go along the lines of "BI never dump a game, they give it solid support, a steady stream of patches, they're the best!" Er...the A1 netcode...? Amongst many other as yet un-fixed issues.

Like I said, there ARE servers that don't have these problems. My guess is either the people don't know how to run a server, or something is wrong with their hardware. But from what I've seen it's been better then A1.

But you never catch on, do you. And that's the very definition of fanaticism. Incredible loyalty and blind devotion to the very thing that's taking you for the long ride.

Again, I am not blind. I've had bugs galore also, but none of them stop me from playing this game. I also try to help with reporting them. BIS is a very small team trying to make a huge game...I can deal with a few bugs as long as they don't ruin the game...in which I haven't run into one that has. Obviously everyone plays a little different so a bug that I don't mind might piss someone off, but that's why we can help out by telling BIS what they are. Also the mods, editor, customization...those help a little too ;)

It's taken me a while (a couple of weeks) to realise that absolutely nothing has changed since OFP. The same buggy engine, the same abysmal performance. And you do nothing to encourage BI to change their ways and maybe, just possibly, do something about it. You shout everyone down, the moderators employ their infraction-tactics to drive dissenters off the board...so you can claim "Hey, it's all happy families here, the complainers are in the minority..." Yeah...the majority of them have given up, or been banned. And the servers hosting BI games become ever fewer, reflecting the ever-dwindling numbers of BI-game players. But still you persist..."The emperor IS wearing clothes!"

lol...your hyperbole makes me laugh! Do you think if the game was "the same buggy engine, the same abysmal performance." then if you knew it was so crappy from playing OFP and A1, why did you buy it?? No one forced you to not read reviews, not play the demo, or spend your money. Sounds to me you haven't learned since OFP either. When I bought this game I knew what I was in for; but luckily (in my case) I didn't have any major issues. IDK, maybe the people that have it running fine somehow have the same rigs/configs as the devs; and they obviously can't test every PC config out there, so I don't mind helping

You have got the game you deserve, and that's the plain truth. So keep telling yourselves "It's all ok, BI will fix it up good, given enough time!" Yeah, just like they did with OFP and A1. Eh lads?

If it wasn't so god-awefully tragic one would have to laugh.

Thanks, we will! And we'll also be enjoying and improving the one and only game of it's kind.

Go have fun with 100FPS in Call of Duty 10 which will probably have the exact same gameplay as CoD1

Just need to add that I don't think the game is "acceptable" in it's current state...there ARE bugs and glitches and performance issues. But we got what we got. I have to reiterate that this is the only game of its kind, and BIS is a small group that hasn't "sold out" by removing features that might be causing issues; or move it to the console where it will probably have 1/2 of the current functionality. If they fail, who's going to continue? The best we can do is give as much relevant info as possible to let them know that hey, this game IS buggy, but we don't want you to just give up.

man, this has to be my longest post over something so pointless (as in no one's going to change each others minds)...I need to get out more lol

Edited October 18, 2009 by No Use For A Name

[SPECOPx 10]

Langansen should be kept on these forums to irk the fanboys of A2. I actually love seeing these arguments! He is pretty "oblivious to the fact" (wanted to use word that started with "d" here, but can't call people names can we?) to directly and negatively attack an admin in public instead of just sending a PM to that admin to argue it out.

Edited October 18, 2009 by SPECOPx

[froggyluv 2136]

Damn I just read all that and had to wipe my monitor off from all the tears...

WTF does this self indulgent crying like a little girl come from. Must be too much soy in their diet as that creates excess estrogen.

Sh*T, I bought OF:DR, it sucked and I haven't posted one fricken post on their forums as i have better avenues to channel lost mojo from the failed video game: life...

Some people really need one.

[SPECOPx 10]

Damn I just read all that and had to wipe my monitor off from all the tears...

WTF does this self indulgent crying like a little girl come from. Must be too much soy in their diet as that creates excess estrogen.

Sh*T, I bought OF:DR, it sucked and I haven't posted one fricken post on their forums as i have better avenues to channel lost mojo from the failed video game: life...

Some people really need one.

It's funny to say that I actually think BIS could've done a better job with it than Racemasters. BIS would've known what it's fans from the series would've wanted.

[Guest spitball]

O Great Moderators of this Sacred Forum of cock-sucking, please bless this worthless peon that kneels before you.

(No seriously, please ban me so I'm never tempted to post in this shithole again.)

[W0lle 1050]

Please continue low performance issues here.