Wobble 1 Posted March 21, 2002 Scenario: Im shooting at a BMP and it is surrounded by barrels (side:none) I destroy a few of the barrels with a law.. Â result:my own guys shoot me. for some reason now destroying an empty vehicle or object (barrels, chairs.. tables) Â will result in your own team attacking you as of you killed one of your own.. if the side is is same as yours.. I.E. western soldier shooting an EMPTY western jeep.. OR of the side is "empty" I.E. objects.. your men treat it as if you are shooting your killing your own team.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobble 1 Posted March 21, 2002 ok, here is a simple way to recreate the bug.. set yourself as a LAW soldier, and put one more soldier under your command. set 3 sets of barrels out (they are called "barrels" under OBJECTS) they are in the EMPTY catagory,set their side to NONE. start the mission and destroy each set of barrels with a LAW.. a few seconds after destroying the third set of barrels the soldier under your command will attack you.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2002 No shit sherlock. If you start destroying government property IRL you will find yourself very soon in jail or something worse. I urge you to try this: Take a LAW or any gun for that matter and go downtown to the nearest police station. Fire a couple of rounds in the nearest EMPTY police car. See what happens. Your real question should actually be whether barrels should be assigned any side.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobble 1 Posted March 21, 2002 if smartass comments were not a dima dozen that might almost be funny... naa anywho.. the point is that this is NEW, before you could destroy empty vehicles or objects no matter what side.. and as long as no actual people were killed (pilot, driver..etc) nothing would happen.. but now for some reason if you blow up a few barrels which are not on ANY team (east or west) your killed for it.. this makes for a very annoying game when your in the heat of battle and accidently smash an empty jeep with yer tank.. only to have the entire army assualt you full force (ignoring the enemy all together) in response.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rpc007 0 Posted March 21, 2002 well you wouldnt be destroying ur governments property, u woul be destroying theirs thats why its a bug, u destroy barrels that have no side set but ur guys think that they are NATO soldiers and vise versa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
advocatexxx 0 Posted March 21, 2002 Everyone shoots the poor barrels because they bounce so nicely when going down the hill. Would ya leave them alone ? they're just barrels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted March 21, 2002 nope..did exactly as you asked, and no problem with mine...yours must be really resource conservative Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobble 1 Posted March 21, 2002 really ralph? did you destroy all 3 barrels? I tested it 6 different times.. destroy 2 empty jeeps=death 1 empty chopper or plane=death 5 pieces of "woodfence"=death (ran them over wiht a tank and took an RPG from my guys as a result) destroying an EMPTY object.. especially one that is not on any side(Team:none) should never result in having every "frinedley" unit on the map trying to kill you.. try and rationaliuze it all ya want.. its still stupid and wrong.. you think IRL of you blew up an empty parked cessna on accident you would be shot dead on the spot? hmm the military would be a very unpopular carrear choice would it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaCrytter 0 Posted March 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 21 2002,23:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you think IRL of you blew up an empty parked cessna on accident you would be shot dead on the spot? Â hmm the military would be a very unpopular carrear choice would it<span id='postcolor'> You'd probably have to have a rocket launcher or something to do this. Hmmm let me see...would they shoot a man armed with a rocket launcher who has just shown that he does know how to blow things up with it? Probably, yes. But you are right, shooting a sideless barrel should not earn you the joy of friendly fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 21 2002,23:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you think IRL of you blew up an empty parked cessna on accident you would be shot dead on the spot? Â hmm the military would be a very unpopular carrear choice would it<span id='postcolor'> Well for one cessna, I agree... but would you call it an accident if you blew up THREE cessnas (that's when they start to shoot)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobble 1 Posted March 21, 2002 wierd,.. it takes 3 cessnas to get them to kill you.. but only 2 jeeps.. or 1 helicopter or A-10/SU. wonder what the decision to kill is based on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted March 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 21 2002,23:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">really ralph? did you destroy all 3 barrels? I tested it 6 different times.. destroy 2 empty jeeps=death 1 empty chopper or plane=death 5 pieces of "woodfence"=death (ran them over wiht a tank and took an RPG from my guys as a result)<span id='postcolor'> yup.. 3 barrels => no death 2 jeeps => no death 1 AH1=> immediate death didn't try to wood fence one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2002 I'm starting to agree with you Wobble that it is a bug. Just tried this: Empty M1A1. I moveindriver one russian solider. I blow up the tank. (playing american side) The result is that the M1A1 gets listed as killed friendly units -- but I get positive score for the kill!! (not just the soldier, but for the tank also) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2002 Oh, this is even better: I create a radio-trigger that kills the friendly russian unit inside the M1A1 (i.e I can't be blamed for his death). Then I proceed killing the tank. It gets listed as an enemy kill, but I get -7000 points for killing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 22 2002,00:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wonder what the decision to kill is based on?<span id='postcolor'> The decision is based on your scores. Scores <0 -> they kill you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted March 22, 2002 Not sure but I think that the bug is present from 1.45. In 1.46 they said they fixed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobble 1 Posted March 22, 2002 3 barrels => no death 2 jeeps => no death 1 AH1=> immediate death wonder if it has to do with the weapon you use.. I killed 2 jeeps with LAWs and got killed.. then I tried it with the M60.. and it took 3 before they killed me.. strange.. also another example I am playing as WEST.. I get a russian soldier get into a M1A1.. I hit the M1A1 with 2 TOWS and and the soldier jumps out and I kill him.. than it hit the M1A1 with a 3rd TOW and when it blows my guys kill me.. some kinda wierd sheet.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 22, 2002 It depends on rank. If you are a private then killing one friendly soldier is enough to make your team think that you would look rather nice as a swiss-cheese. If you are a full colonel you can kill > 10 soldiers without your team finding it inappropriate. I tested this playing the russian side. Dunno if it is the same for the yank-side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman 0 Posted March 22, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 22 2002,01:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It depends on rank. If you are a private then killing one friendly soldier is enough to make your team think that you would look rather nice as a swiss-cheese. If you are a full colonel you can kill > 10 soldiers without your team finding it inappropriate. I tested this playing the russian side. Dunno if it is the same for the yank-side.<span id='postcolor'> Russian killing their own is common.... Nothing new about that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted March 22, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 22 2002,01:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3 barrels => no death 2 jeeps => no death 1 AH1=> immediate death wonder if it has to do with the weapon you use.. I killed 2 jeeps with LAWs and got killed.. Â then I tried it with the M60.. and it took 3 before they killed me.. strange.. also another example I am playing as WEST.. I get a russian soldier get into a M1A1.. I hit the M1A1 with 2 TOWS and and the soldier jumps out and I kill him.. than it hit the M1A1 with a 3rd TOW and when it blows my guys kill me.. some kinda wierd sheet..<span id='postcolor'> used LAW.. speaking of rank, I set myself as Lietenant, other one, private. maybe this could be the reason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
