Can someone from Bis comment on the FPS issue!!

[binkster 0]

@cosmokev I disagree... From my findings ATI runs good on Vista and Win7 and no so good in XP. Tells me driver Related just like you said.

Nvidia Runs good in xp poor in vista and ok in Win7. Again I think its driver related.

Arma2 runs great on my system now and im very happy with what I bought. I have no sluggishness nor large FPS drop except only in the large town. If its driver issues then who is responsible? I think ArmA1 wasnt that popular enough for Nvidia/Ati to take a look inwhich drivers were never made to help with the game. Maybe this time will be different. ArmA2 seems to be doing very well in sales across the world.

Maybe Nvidia and ATI will spend a little more time with drivers this time around with ArmA2. Im sure BIS can optimize the game more just like they did with ArmA1. So maybe it will be a double whammy with Drivers and BIS.

Also both of my OS's are old. Ive been using both vista and xp for different purposes over the past couple years so the whole clutter thing and Fresh install is not the issue.

Edited July 4, 2009 by binkster

[cosmokev 10]

I will when I recieve the full version.

I'm only at the Demo level, playing on DWardens in game server atm, with a 192+ ping. My cpu's are not quad, they are 2x2. I'm watching a average of 32fps, it drops to 25 occasionally, yet it is very playable.

So lets start over, what may be causing others to have issues?

AV?

OS?

Faulty hardware?

Spyware?

Malware?

This list could go on and on, that is why we ask for specific info.

Perhaps you did'nt actually read my post.

On a fresh install of problem O/S.

No malware.

No antivirus.

No spyware.

No faulty hardware.

No form of any program install apart from O/S and game - the poor performance and problems exist.

you may have a fluid game at 25fps but i certainly do not.

Its a shooting game when alls said and done and slow mouse lag and treacle like frame rates make it unplayable to me.

Its obvious from the amount of posts with the huge majority of people having problems that this game was either:

1. Not tested whatsoever with hugely common cpus and graphic cards.

2. Tested and found to be extremely poor performing but released anyway.

I am not bemoaning the game in any shape or form - i brought it knowing what the problems were.

Any amount of details you ask for will not counter the simple fact that this game was released with very below par performance.

BI should acknowledge this - instead of wasting resources creating gimik flash arma 2 games etc. they should be working on giving paying customers an experience they can live with until performance issues are addressed.

This could be in a form of optimised missions/ campaigns etc.

I for one , and i'm sure a huge amount of people that have given money to BI , would be very interested in seeing frames per second results and details on exactly the systems they used.

And on a side note - perhaps you should buy the full retail game and do extensive testing before you think issues like spyware /malware and faulty hardware are giving issues.

Get the full game - install it on a fresh O/S and then log your frame rates - problems etc.

[Jackdaniels 10]

binkster - And so the question remains what driver and video card did BI use to test the game? You also say: " I disagree... From my findings ATI runs good on Vista and Win7 and no so good in XP." Well maybe - Just maybe, on his rig he has found a different finding to you. After all, isn't this what the problem is all about? Finding different results on different computers? This topic is really becomming a joke now. When are people going to stop putting the blame on people's computers and Nvidia? Tell me what Nvidia driver did Bis build this game around if you think it's Nvidias fault? I'll go install it now if I know.

BigBear - How can you really comment when you are playing a demo of the game?

Edited July 4, 2009 by Jackdaniels

[Cpt.Goose 10]

Its obvious it's the game just look at the engine and what they want from it. It reminds me of BF2 when it first came out, a outdated engine they forced for another title that left us with a system hog of a game, with fun gameplay but could have been so much better.

Arma 2 is no different the engine is not optimized or a good candidate for this game and what they wanted from it. Look at all the other games out there especially first person shooters that run so well and provide great eye candy just with all the fire power just lacks the controlling it (your just the soldier.) So okay argue that this is more, look at MS Flight Simulator again a huge resource to render weather, scenery, static objects, dynamic objects, real world terrain that cover the WORLD!, and other effects features. Just as programmable and modifiable as Arma 2 and it runs way better. Why? Because Microsoft did there homework and updated the engine, wrote the proper code and utilized the technology available.

This is just a piss poor engine and that can't be fixed, it will just have to be patched to an acceptable level of whats there and what's there is not what I expected when I saw the video's, read the previews etc. I assume as with anything it came down to money, time, and therefore cutting corners that now will have to go against Operation Flashpoint 2 which in my eyes looks to have done the right thing's so far as with what was mentioned above.

I enjoy Arma 2 I do, and it runs fine on my computer so I'm not one of those people out there that just feels ripped off, but the game just was cut at some crucial points that I feel will cripple it with it's upcoming rival. I will continue to play it, and look forward to the patches, but I'm also well aware and looking forward to whats around the corner for there competition.

[SWAT_BigBear 0]

Perhaps you did'nt actually read my post.

Actually I did read "your" post.

And yes i'm running a ATI 4850 - simply does not run the game under XP 32.

Installed win 7 and game runs.

Seems maybe we are getting somewhere ehh?

[Bulldogs 10]

And if you've done a fresh install of an O/S and it suddenly all your problems are fixed what can you blame then.. wait, no, that didn't fix my problem so that means that everyone who said that this fixed their problems are obviously lying.

In the end, there are a ton of potential fixes, ok let's give it a more realistc name, potential workarounds. These workarounds fix the problems for many people, but some people it doesn't help at all which leaves 2 options.

1) Quit bitching and moaning in a troubleshooting thread. State your problem (including patch version, hardware, O/S, driver version, etc) in the relavent place so BIS can use that information to locate the problem, then, if you wish to let off steam, go to the general forum and have a little rant.

2) Quit bitching and moaning in a troubleshooting thread. To bring up another car analogy, if a ferrarri runs perfect for many people yet you get in it and can't get it over 5mph, even after checking everything, maybe it's time to get a different car rather than telling everyone else that they have the same problem and shouldn't use that car.

As I keep mentioning, this is a troubleshooting thread. When I see people post their specs along with everything they've tried I'm happy with it, and I'm sure BIS will use that info to locate the problem.

When I see that, then see it followed up by an attack on the company/game followed by 2 pages of arguements, guess what, the post your just made about what you did is now meaningless because BIS will look at this thread, see rants and think "well, I'm not wading through that" and ignore the thread.

[SWAT_BigBear 0]

ok let's give it a more realistc name, potential workarounds. These workarounds fix the problems for many people, but some people it doesn't help at all which leaves 2 options.

.

Nice point.

Even though the demo plays smooth for me, I tried alot of the workarounds like, -winxp, -mem=2 ect ect, but the stock settings gave a good FPS of 27 in the Demo benchmark.

And to think....I thought my Vista 64 score of 5.9 was lame.

[bangtail 0]

Its obvious it's the game just look at the engine and what they want from it. It reminds me of BF2 when it first came out, a outdated engine they forced for another title that left us with a system hog of a game, with fun gameplay but could have been so much better.

Arma 2 is no different the engine is not optimized or a good candidate for this game and what they wanted from it. Look at all the other games out there especially first person shooters that run so well and provide great eye candy just with all the fire power just lacks the controlling it (your just the soldier.) So okay argue that this is more, look at MS Flight Simulator again a huge resource to render weather, scenery, static objects, dynamic objects, real world terrain that cover the WORLD!, and other effects features. Just as programmable and modifiable as Arma 2 and it runs way better. Why? Because Microsoft did there homework and updated the engine, wrote the proper code and utilized the technology available.

This is just a piss poor engine and that can't be fixed, it will just have to be patched to an acceptable level of whats there and what's there is not what I expected when I saw the video's, read the previews etc. I assume as with anything it came down to money, time, and therefore cutting corners that now will have to go against Operation Flashpoint 2 which in my eyes looks to have done the right thing's so far as with what was mentioned above.

I enjoy Arma 2 I do, and it runs fine on my computer so I'm not one of those people out there that just feels ripped off, but the game just was cut at some crucial points that I feel will cripple it with it's upcoming rival. I will continue to play it, and look forward to the patches, but I'm also well aware and looking forward to whats around the corner for there competition.

I really wouldn't get too excited about OFP-DR (unless all you care about is SP and PvP with a weak sandbox element (if any at all). Codemasters are well known for shambolic nonsense so putting all your eggs in that basket is likely to lead to a crushing disappointment.

I just got through yet another epic multiplayer session where we all opened up on a boar (and subsequently got mauled by the AI) after hiding in a ditch for 15 minutes trying to avoid a 12 man patrol.

I really feel for those who can't get it working properly but A2 (despite its numerous flaws) is a masterpiece and I seriously doubt DR will hold a candle to A2's open ended format.

Regards,

Eth

[Jackdaniels 10]

When I see that, then see it followed up by an attack on the company/game followed by 2 pages of arguements, guess what, the post your just made about what you did is now meaningless because BIS will look at this thread, see rants and think "well, I'm not wading through that" and ignore the thread.

So it's our fault that this thread has become bigger? Maybe you should read the thread again including the heading. I asked someone to explain my low fps, but nobody came forwards to address the real problem. Swapping and changing my "Windows OS" for just one game, are you serious? Iucky for me I had a spare harddrive and was able to test this game using a clean install of windows 7, but guess what - Never fixed my issue. Maybe a 2 page argument wouldn't have started had certain people not been quick to blame people's high end computers for these issues. I think cosmokev has got this about right unless anyone else can prove him wrong here.

So what do you have me belive that will make this game run right? Take out my 200 series card and install an older one? Install windows xp? Or was it windows 7? Maybe I should replace my motherboard for an older one aswell while I'm at it.

BigBear dude - You really need the full game to comment on this and not just some demo. Isn't that a bit like watching a trailer to a movie and commenting on it before you have seen it in full.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Jackdaniels

[Bulldogs 10]

Sorry, but to quote placebo, you should read my post again without blinkers on. Let me make it clearer.

Problems and possible solutions get lost because a lot of people (not just one person, stop taking it as a personal attack) have flooded the thread with useless information.

You prove this yourself by stating that you asked fir help and no one addressed the problem, although reading it again I see myself and several other users posting fixes that worked fir many people. So either you're confirming my point or you're saying that these people are lying and since the fixes don't work for you then they don't work for anyone.

As for the windows reinstall, it's extreme I know and it's only a last resort, so if you don't want to do it..... Don't.

I agree that there's problems with the game right now, you can either make a post about your problems and wait and hope that they get fixed, or you can bitch about it and tell others how stupid they are for having everything work fir them and complain that instead of sitting on the forums answering complaints they may just be trying to solve the problem.

And no, this post isn't targeted at anyone, it's an indirect artillery strike on everyone.

Now with that, thos is a troublesooting forum, so I'm going to ignore anymore rants and only respond to trubleshooting posts from now on, so if anyone needs some help and thinks I may be able to help, let me know.

[Jackdaniels 10]

Can you direct me to a topic where the suggestions you have made have helped many people fix these problems. This will be an intresting read because other than installing another OS, (which i have already tried) I am at a loss at what else do. Can you Provide this link please - Then many other people that are still posting about the same issue can visit it aswell. Thanks!!

Edited July 4, 2009 by Jackdaniels

[Bulldogs 10]

Here's a couple of fixes that have been known to help (in many cases, but not all) :

V-Sync - Force V-Sync off. If using an ATI card force it off through ATI Tool tray icon, not through Ati catalyst control panel.

Hyper-threading - Also a pretty extreme approach but disabling HT in bios has helped some people

Nvidia Drivers - Using the 182.50 drivers has fixed the issue with many people.

CPU - Try underclocking and overclocking the CPU to see if you get a difference (seems obvious but Arma 2 utilizes the CPU more than the GPU, and isn't very good with more than 1 core), alternatively, try the core loadup switch (see below)

Switches - People find that several switches help :

-winxp -maxmem=2047 -cpucount=X -window

-winxp : forces Directx to use the version 9 Windows XP build

-maxmem : 2047 is the maximum memory you can assign, but it helps to assign it manually

-cpucount : replace X with the amount of cores you have

-window : running in window mode helps in some cases

Object detail and view distance - OK, this is an obvious one and I know everyone tries video settings first but I always get some bad seeds mentioning that they didn't test one of these settings til last and it fixed the problem.

Evga SLI fix - designed to fix SLI issues but has been known to fix the frame cap issue.

Cpu/GPU bottleneck - Hard to explain in small thread, have a look here http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=74401

There are some other fixes but I can't remember what they are, and they've become buried in the sea of threads.

Hope this helps some people.

BTW, just wanted to post something here that I found and somehow missed before.

Many people keep commenting about how BIS hasn't even made a statement about any attempt to fix the problem but I stumbled accross this

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=77877&page=2

with a post at the bottom of the page from a BIS moderator

Just hang in there chaps, while it may be very frustrating to have a superduper pc that cannot seem to run the game very well, I am well aware BIS are working very hard to iron out the issues.

Please do continue to feedback but keep it constructive and informative.

Thanks

Just thought I'd mention that.

EDIT : Forgot to add the bottleneck as that seems to be a major, but more perplexing one.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Bulldogs

[Jackdaniels 10]

Bulldogs - thankyou for your time and effort, but can you count up how many people have had their game fixed due to your ideas on fixing the game? Because looking at the comment you highlighted from by Rhodite, it appears that there isn't that many. I am not been funny here, but I am struggling to find the many people who you said that these fixes worked for.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Jackdaniels

[Bulldogs 10]

I can't count cause thy would involve hunting down the old posts. That said, I also understand that it doesn't work for everyone but bis are working on the issue.

I hope for everyone that it's fixed soon.