sparks50 0 Posted November 27, 2008 Fredsas why are you even bothering? Just don't buy the game, its not like your going to like it anyway. You are wasting your time mate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avibird 1 154 Posted November 27, 2008 Fredsas my old man told me a long time ago you can only put 5lbs of crap in a 5lb bag. To you understand jackass. Yes some games have this and that while other games have that and this but these games have this,that and the other think and so much more in one game. I ask you to name one other game that comes close to OFP/ARM games on any system and you can't. I wish for a lot of things to be in one game but you can't put everything in one game right now. So you deal with what you have and play a game with some real good friends and use a little tactile skill to play a GAME jackass a FPS GAME. If you want real hit damage go play a turn base borad game for the PC they are a little more real in that aspect. What game do you play right now. We all want to know. You think OFP2 is going to be more sim then ARM2. Yes in someways it will be and someways it will not be. Remember the statement about the 5lb bag. Only time will tell which game is the ture follow up to the orirgial game play but my money is on BI and ARM 2. PS. Please state one game better then OFP/ARM for sim right now on the market. What games do you play right now we all want to know? AVIBIRD 1 When playing this game keep Chuck Norris home! If you make the game, They will play! The truth is out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fredsas 0 Posted November 27, 2008 Fredsas my old man told me a long time ago you can only put 5lbs of crap in a 5lb bag. To you understand jackass. Yes some games have this and that while other games have that and this but these games have this,that and the other think and so much more in one game.I ask you to name one other game that comes close to OFP/ARM games on any system and you can't. I wish for a lot of things to be in one game but you can't put everything in one game right now. So you deal with what you have and play a game with some real good friends and use a little tactile skill to play a GAME jackass a FPS GAME. If you want real hit damage go play a turn base borad game for the PC they are a little more real in that aspect. What game do you play right now. We all want to know. You think OFP2 is going to be more sim then ARM2. Yes in someways it will be and someways it will not be. Remember the statement about  the 5lb bag. Only time will tell which game is the ture follow up to the orirgial game play but my money is on BI and ARM 2. PS. Please state one game better then OFP/ARM for sim right now on the market. What games do you play right now we all want to know? AVIBIRD 1   When playing this game keep Chuck Norris home!          If you make the game, They will play!          The truth is out there.  In terms if games, I only play and make mods for simulations FIA GTR 2 Racing Live For Speed MS Fltsim X Armed Assault Operation Flashpoint I stopped playing Arma because my entire clan agreed it was a lot of BS, no attention to detail, a step down from OFP. Before Arma I used to play OFP (which by the way I have no problems with as those were different times for PC and technology) I've made full remake mods for Arma back when I used to play it. Including everything from Hinds to Bradley's to LAV25, BMP1 etc included in it. All with attention to detail and as realistic as the engine could go. including Armour vs penetration (with RHS vs Kinetic and RHS vs HEAT simulated) So when you sit there and tell me that these things can't be done in Arma and its not a NASA SIMULATOR then insult me, I know for a fact you are talking BS. I also know the limitations of the Arma engine. and thus I have a much better vantage point when criticising it than you do, unless of course you are a modder as well. in which case respect to you. However in keeping with the ARMA 2 vs OFP 2, it looks like Codemasters will actually try to make a decent engine for a combined arms simulator and not try to hold anything back. Something for reasons as I have stated above BIS will NOT do. In my eyes this is all very fake and predetermined by BIS, we know they can make a NASA SIMULATOR for the game, but they will not as they have either chosen not to from a technology difference they want to keep as a regard to the military VBS2 engine and those contracts, or they have simply been ordered not to from BI. With regards to it can't be done because of PC technology. What do you think VBS2 is running on? So open your eyes. PS - Making realism mods for both OFP and Arma involved a lot of research and thus has turned me into a bit of a military encyclopaedia when its comes to armour, penetration and other little features. So it is very easy for me to tell when a game is simulating and when its just doing BS. The phrase "It's based on a military simulator so it must be realistic" simply won't work with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avibird 1 154 Posted November 27, 2008 Fredsas your missing the point IT'S A GAME FOR YOUR HOME. maybe you should open your own development company for the next round of military sim games or get a job with BIS or CODEMASTERS LOL. What the hell are you talking about. Codemasters has not released any real ingame video of OFP2 yet. The video I did see looks like any old run and gun FPS movemnts in any other game on the market. If you think BI is such a bad company and has a crappy product why are you here go to the codemasters forum and talk. I think this topic is done and the powers to be needs to close this topic it's dum and adds nothing to the community or game. AVIBIRD 1 When playing this game keep Chuck Norris home! If you make the game, They will play! The truth is out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fredsas 0 Posted November 27, 2008 Fredsas your missing the point IT'S A GAME FOR YOUR HOME.maybe you should open your own development company for the next round of military sim games or get a job with BIS or CODEMASTERS LOL. What the hell are you talking about. Codemasters has not released any real ingame video of OFP2 yet. The video I did see looks like any old run and gun FPS movemnts in any other game on the market. If you think BI is such a bad company and has a crappy product why are you here go to the codemasters forum and talk. I think this topic is done and the powers to be needs to close this topic it's dum and adds nothing to the community or game. AVIBIRD 1 Â Â When playing this game keep Chuck Norris home! Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â If you make the game, They will play! Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â The truth is out there. Â So what? That makes no sense. Its a game for the home. So maybe we should not include M16s or Humvees, or T72's? That makes no sense to me. Yeah its a game for the home so damn, an AK74 should have 200 rounds in the magazine and not 30 ? Maybe MS Fltsim X Â has no right to be realistic because it's a game for the home? Hell don't even talk about Steel Beasts or damn an age old game by the name of M1 Tank Platoon 2 Think about what you are saying. Like I said previously, maybe you should draw up a list of what makes a game a simulation as opposed to an arcade the game, then start checking off. From another point of view how do you know the game is a simulation? Do you actually know anything about the ballistics or armour values of the real stuff as opposed to what they say is up to 90% simulated in the game? You say Arma is the most realistic game out there. Really? What makes it more realistic than Crysis for eg? or Farcry 2. The point is you don't know. Just cause a game doesn't move or look like Arma or OFP doesn't mean its not realistic. Just something to think about. I say what I say because BIS markets the game as realistic and that is why people will buy it. Check this games physics system out WW2 online: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BzpUVtVUBTI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whisper 0 Posted November 27, 2008 I think if you're going to buy ArmAII "because it's realistic", you're buying it for a somewhat wrong reason. ArmA has been mainly bashed for the following reasons : - terrible performances - clunky animations - horrible campaign - horrible AI I think BI has been working on these points (though I'm not too sure about animations, which makes me feel a bit nervous about the title). They are not marketing ArmAII saying : "it's ArmA, with realism +200%". What you read is the improvements you'll find in AI department, in details and deepness of the campaign, etc... If you want to take it into the sim department, then, well... ArmA is not a tank simulator. There's much better titles doing a much better job for this. Same for chopper or airplane sims. And same for infantry also. BUT... It's the only one that combines all these aspects in 1 single game at the moment. But they don't do it to too much detail levels. They offer us a sandbox to go as deep as we want in such or such aspect of the simulation, but they'll take their time on other aspects of thegame, the aspects that have been put down by critics and gamers in ArmA (listed above). Yes, that leaves the pure sim crowd to do the job themselves. But, like I said, it's probably not their only target for this title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
POTS 0 Posted November 27, 2008 I think if you're going to buy ArmAII "because it's realistic", you're buying it for a somewhat wrong reason.ArmA has been mainly bashed for the following reasons : - terrible performances - clunky animations - horrible campaign - horrible AI I think BI has been working on these points (though I'm not too sure about animations, which makes me feel a bit nervous about the title). They are not marketing ArmAII saying : "it's ArmA, with realism +200%". What you read is the improvements you'll find in AI department, in details and deepness of the campaign, etc... If you want to take it into the sim department, then, well... ArmA is not a tank simulator. There's much better titles doing a much better job for this. Same for chopper or airplane sims. And same for infantry also. BUT... It's the only one that combines all these aspects in 1 single game at the moment. But they don't do it to too much detail levels. They offer us a sandbox to go as deep as we want in such or such aspect of the simulation, but they'll take their time on other aspects of thegame, the aspects that have been put down by critics and gamers in ArmA (listed above). Yes, that leaves the pure sim crowd to do the job themselves. But, like I said, it's probably not their only target for this title. Well it's a combat simulator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted November 27, 2008 Seems this thread stopped serving its original purpose a long time ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
