The us has never lost a war

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmike @ Feb. 27 2002,23:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I odnt have a leader, only the weak need leaders, such as sheep.<span id='postcolor'>

*rolls eyes*

[Wobble 1]

what really tops it off is his backwards view on execution, pollution etc

gonna explain or just put that out there with no backup?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Feb. 27 2002,22:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what really tops it off is his backwards view on execution, pollution etc

gonna explain or just put that out there with no backup? <span id='postcolor'>

Do I have to?

Okay he is pro execution last time I checked if you have caught on the rest of the civilised world don't do it (not strictly correct I know)

And we don't need to go in too much depth about Bush, Kyoto and E$$o do we?

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Feb. 27 2002,23:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what really tops it off is his backwards view on execution, pollution etc

gonna explain or just put that out there with no backup? <span id='postcolor'>

I personally support the death penalty....but it needs to have a set of criteria and crimes when it can be used.

Some people don't deserve to live and should have their genes wiped out....

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Thehamster @ Feb. 27 2002,23:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Feb. 27 2002,22:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what really tops it off is his backwards view on execution, pollution etc

gonna explain or just put that out there with no backup? <span id='postcolor'>

Do I have to?

Okay he is pro execution last time I checked if you have caught on the rest of the civilised world don't do it (not strictly correct I know)

And we don't need to go in too much depth about Bush, Kyoto and E$$o do we?<span id='postcolor'>

No death penalty a "civilized world" (or nation) does not make....

Little more to it then that...

[Akira 0]

Holy shit...just realized Hamster made a non-spam related comment....

Must sit down...

Breath easy...

*puff puff*

[Angry Radish 0]

could have been one of those 1 in 1988907983567865978kjhkjhk26578326 chances of smacking your head on the keyboard and typing in something understandable......

[Benze 0]

Deteriorating...

And for the love of god enough flaming...

[madmike 0]

Can we stay ON TOPIC ladies, I dont want to have to report you to the forum police

[Akira 0]

Never meant to flame if I did...apologize if I did...

See Hamster post a real comment just thought was funny...(since I associate him so strongly with the Free The Spam Movement)...

[madmike 0]

apologize excepted

hope your not too

[Akira 0]

Stupid coffee wasn't strong enough this morning....I'm...."unbalanced"...

[madmike 0]

I'm tired, 11pm, time for sleep

[Wobble 1]

the death penalty was carried over from EU.. and it IS usefull...  if some jagoff murders his entire family with a dull bronze hatchet and admits to it.. he neede to die.. no amout of "death is wrong" will change that.. some people just need to die for their crimes.. period..  rape, murder (intentional) are both punishable by death in the US given high ernough intensity or frequency of the crime..

I think people not from the US think we put people tod eath all the time.. we dont.. its not done oftin but it is done.

if I was a religious type I could pull the whole "its in the bible"  thing outta my ass.. but im not.

and last I checked.. bush didnt invent the death penalty.. its been around a long time, so you cant really hold the death penalty agains him.. it was in place when he got here and it will probably be here when he leaves.

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Death penalty is soo stupid,I bet most of us would like to die like that,Here you go MR.killer guy this is going make you go to sleep,then here's another shot mr.killer guy,this one is going to stop your heart,Soo that means you die,Don't worry Mr.killer guy,it's not going hurt.What the fuck is that ? That is some lame bullshit if i ever seen it,Why don't we just do what china does and put a gun to the back of the guy head and blow it off.Just maybe the Mr.killer guy can have sometype of pain when he dies,not the bs crap.How bout the one where the guy overseas in middle east country chop bunch kids to death and burn them in acid,The middle-east country did the same to him.Only reason europeans talk about death penalty is to start some more crap about how the USa is soo evil or something.You don't see them talking about middle-east,china,other countries death penalty,which is by far alot worst then USA death penalty.

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Now about vietnam,We could have won it.Heck we would have won it.But the people in washington got in the way.We learn alot about the vietnam war,most of the world did too,well maybe only the western world learn from it.They leearn that if you going to war,bring all or nothing.But that war helped USA armed forces.I believe.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Feb. 27 2002,15:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">he had (now I have) one of the bet collections of books written by people who served in vietnam..  very very good stuff.  my fave is one by a guy was a LLRP.. scary shit them folks did.<span id='postcolor'>

I must of read over 100 books on Vietnam in the last 6 years, by people who were there.  LRRPs, SEALs, Special Forces, Grunts, Air Cav, you name it, I've probably have read about it.

One of my favorite is a book called Very Crazy, G.I.  It came out last year, really good read.

Back on topic.  U.S. killed over 800 000 NVA/VC while only giving up 57 000 KIA and about 180 000 WIA.  The French lost over 75 000 KIA, so do the math, US won on the death scoreboard.

-=Die Alive=-

[Longinius 1]

"its sad how more than double the number of US soldiers killed in Vietnam have commited suicide after returning home "

Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population.

Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group." [Houk]

"And spare me about his gafaws and mistakes....I promise you YOUR leaders ain't as bright as they let on either....Bush was ambushed by a Democratic media...and you go ask your leader who the PM or Military leader of Nauru is....and tell me how he does.... "

Probably not. But then again, we don't claim that they are either. Bush however is definatly not one of the smartest of world leaders around. Nor one of the more 'worldly'.

"the death penalty was carried over from EU"

The EU does not have the death penalty.

"and last I checked.. bush didnt invent the death penalty.. its been around a long time, so you cant really hold the death penalty agains him.. it was in place when he got here and it will probably be here when he leaves."

Ofcourse you can. As long as he supports it.

Now, to some quote from this wise man...

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."

--Reuters, May 5, 2000

"This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve."

--Speaking during Perseverance Month at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H.

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."

--Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"I would have said yes to abortion if only it was right. I mean, yeah it's right. Well no it's not right that's why I said no to it."

--South Carolina, February 14,2000

"Down in Washington they're playing with Social Security like it's some kind of government program!"

-NBC Nightly News

"They said, 'You know, this issue doesn't seem to resignate [sic] with the people.' And I said, you know something? Whether it resignates [sic] or not doesn't matter to me, because I stand for doing what's the right thing, and what the right thing is hearing the voices of people who work.

--Portland, Ore., Oct. 31,

"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."

--Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."

--February 21, 2001 - President Bush at Townsend Elementary School, touting his education reform plans.

"Bush sends the Yen falling

by Jane Padgham Economics Correspondent

President George Bush bolstered his reputation for dropping clangers today, sparking chaos in financial markets in the process.

The latest gaffe came when he mixed up devaluation (lowering the exchange rate) and deflation (falling prices), causing traders to dump the Japanese currency.

Mr Bush said Japan's Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi had discussed "the devaluation issue" while outlining his plans to revive Japan's economy. What he had meant to say was that they had discussed "the deflation issue"."

http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic....=462709

Yeah, he is SO smart.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Feb. 27 2002,13:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Germans live in Germany<span id='postcolor'>

correction, German live in Deutcheland

[Bonfire 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Feb. 28 2002,02:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."

--February 21, 2001 - President Bush at Townsend Elementary School,  touting his education reform plans.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL thats Classic

What can i say that hasn't already been said...It almost seems to me that Americans are being brainwashed with some sort of superiority complex.

to believe that Bush is doing the right thing its stupidity defined. examples: the Kioto (sp?) treaty, "hey lets make the enviroment worse, its practicly guilt free" , or pulling out of the anti-ballistic missile...what for? who is going to shoot a ballistic missile at the US? who other than Russia has that type of range? Will an ICBM "shield" stop a terrorist attack...probably not.

far as i'm concered, Bush is just another dumbass texan with his head too far up his ars to know any better.

[Wobble 1]

who is going to shoot a ballistic missile at the US? who other than Russia has that type of range?

thats the exact point.. the Russians sold LOTS of their nuclear weapons to ANYONE who had the money for them.. so as for "who would shoot them?"..  anybody with enough cash could bin-laden could afford one for instance.. Iran.. russian nukes were cheap and for the taking for quite a while, so nobody.. even the russians themselve knows who all could have them now.

ar as i'm concered, Bush is just another dumbass texan with his head too far up his ars to know any better.

As far as im concerned your just another half braindead fuckwit who knows little if anything about what you piss, bitch and rant about.

It almost seems to me that Americans are being brainwashed with some sort of superiority complex.

funny its always some idiot LIKE YOU bitching and shitting on americans and american politics... always saying the US is doing this wrong.. doing that wrong.. etc etc.. who exactly has the superiority complex?

The EU does not have the death penalty.

back when the US was formed it sure as hell did.. thats what i ment by "brought over"

Ofcourse you can. As long as he supports it.

it doesent matter 1 iota weather bush likes the death penalty.. the people decide to keep it or not.

Its funny so many assholes keep saying the US is doing everything wrong, the US gov is dumb.. they should do this.. they should do that.. etc etc.. then turn around and say that americans have a superiority complex..  we are not the ones saying your county is doing everything wrong and how to do your own business.. you are the ones with a "superiority complex"

but what am I thinking.. its abvious a bunch of fucking kids on a video game bullitin board who dont even live in the US would know more about US politics and how to run a country than the US congress and presedent... surree...  fuck off morons.

hey bonfire.. wanna  make that fucking flag a little bigger.. the astronauts on the space station cant see that your canadian.

[Longinius 1]

"back when the US was formed it sure as hell did.. thats what i ment by "brought over""

The EU did not exist when the US was formed. Europe existed, but that is not the same thing. EU is the European Union, not Europe. Many nations had the death penalty back then, most do not anymore. Why can't the US change to?

"it doesent matter 1 iota weather bush likes the death penalty.. the people decide to keep it or not."

That's true. But the Presidents opinion DOES matter.

"Its funny so many assholes keep saying the US is doing everything wrong, the US gov is dumb.."

The American government isn't dumb. But Bush however is.

"they should do this.. they should do that.. etc etc.. then turn around and say that americans have a superiority complex.. we are not the ones saying your county is doing everything wrong and how to do your own business.. you are the ones with a "superiority complex""

No, you simply don't say ANYTHING and do what you wish anyway. So you don't only have the superiority complex, you are also arrogant Where as we have the superiority complex and are insanly curtious.

"but what am I thinking.. its abvious a bunch of fucking kids on a video game bullitin board who dont even live in the US would know more about US politics and how to run a country than the US congress and presedent... surree... fuck off morons."

Who claimed to know more than the congress? As for knowing more than the president, well, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Gorgi Knootewoot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Feb. 28 2002,00:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Back on topic.  U.S. killed over 800 000 NVA/VC while only giving up 57 000 KIA and about 180 000 WIA.  The French lost over 75 000 KIA, so do the math, US won on the death scoreboard.

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

It is not the numbers that count, but if you achieved your goal. When looking at D-Day, a lot of American's died. But they did achieve their goal. The Germans may have won on the death scoreboard, but they did loose the battle.

Ik vreet hamsters.........rauw met tuinbonen en een glaasje port.

*slrpslprslpr*

[Wobble 1]

Who claimed to know more than the congress? As for knowing more than the president, well, it wouldn't surprise me

well if somebody says your doing something wrong.. obviousley they think they know better..  

if they said "i think its wrong.. but I dont have a fucking clue as to what is the best way either" (which is FAR more accurate too) that would be different..

you cant call someone an idiot unless you think your smarter (or your an idiot too)

as for americans having a superiority complex.. well no more than we deserve to as far as I can tell.. per-capta americans are the most wealthy in the world, we have the biggest military, our economy is strong, we produce more raw materials than any other country.. we have alot to be proud (and very thankful for)

but answer me this..  how oftin on this board do you see and american saying "gosh GB's goverment is so STUPID, they should do this, they should do that!!"..etc etc..  not very oftin..  but one the otherhand you see the opposite quite frequently(too oftin imo)

It is not the numbers that count, but if you achieved your oal. When looking at D-Day, a lot of American's died. But they did achieve their goal. The Germans may have won on the death scoreboard, but they did loose the battle

more allies died on the beaches that day.. but more germans died in the battle of normandy.. actually mor were captured than died.. but thats the same effect

also vietnam was not a conventional war.. it was FOR THE MOST PART a guerilla war.. very few large scale battles took place.. and the ones that did the US inflicted devistating causualties on the NVA/VC.. and since most the the war was gureilla tactics.. guerillas dont attempt to take ground.. they attack.. kill and vanish.. that is the doctrine.. taking ground is not... so in a guerialla war body counts are what matters.

and the NVA/VC did not take any ground till after the US left(by US public demand).. US troops never lost any ground to the NVA/VC.. the tet offensive.. the NVA/VC's biggest attack was completely and utterly crushed.. all the places they tried to take they were kicked out of withing a day or 2 at most.. many within hours with MASSIVE casualties.

so against the US (not the arvin after the US left) the NVA/VC never gained any ground and lost many many times the number of troops..

as for the US not gaining ground.. that was not the reason the US was there.. it wasnt there to destroy North Vietnam, it was there to keep NVA/VC from taking over south vietnam.. US's goal there was of defence, not offence.

[Longinius 1]

"you cant call someone an idiot unless you think your smarter (or your an idiot too)"

Ofcourse I can. I can recognise the fact that someone is stupid even if I am stupid myself, as long as I just admit to it.

"but answer me this.. how oftin on this board do you see and american saying "gosh GB's goverment is so STUPID, they should do this, they should do that!!"..etc etc.. not very oftin.. but one the otherhand you see the opposite quite frequently(too oftin imo) "

I see Americans often saying "We are the greatest. We can do whatever we want. Kill all muslims. We rule" or stuff along that line. Besides that, which countries in the west can Americans wine on? Which countries effect the American culture in a negative way and create problems that highly effect Americans?