Should any VBS discussion be allowed here?

[JdB 151]

This "sample" kind of proves that sensitive discussion isnt much of a possibility most of the time here .

That does not so much have anything to do with the particular subject of this discussion, but rather with the immature behaviour when any serious subject is discussed beyond "Hey guys look at my CP pics!".

Serious discussions on an internet forum end up in fighting most of the times because people can (/dare to) do what they can't (/don't dare to do) in real life. Whether it is politics, world events, VBS or addons, there will always be flamers, flamebaiters and victims of someone elses stupidity.

[sanctuary 19]

I always failed to see why vbs discussions were immediately closed by the moderators.

Is it because some people are not happy about the situation with vbs/ofp/arma and can/will say it in such discussions, are not happy about each of those products features or difference between those games, are posting their own thoughts that can be different from the "official line of the party" , or is it because there are always some people posting irrelevant or just uneducated thoughts ?

If it is so, then logically addons and missions discussions should be banned as well from this forum, as in most of the addons threads you can easily find people posting they dont like addon X , they absolutely want feature Y to be included in the addon, they even sometime get angry at the addon/mission makers etc... but i think you see what i mean.

So my vote is yes, there is no reason those vbs discussions should be banned, after all there is a moderating team here, and i guess they are as capable to moderate a vbs discussions here as they can and have moderated any other threads on those boards.

All i can see is that the banning of such discussions is just giving more fuel to most of the conspiracy theories going on here about vbs vs arma/ofp, and so ultimately will affect BI reputation as well.

[Messiah 2]

Quote[/b] ]All i can see is that the banning of such discussions is just giving more fuel to most of the conspiracy theories going on here about vbs vs arma/ofp, and so ultimately will affect BI reputation as well.

yes, indeed - I don't see a neccessity as such for a VBS discussion, I mean, who cares? But I feel that the almost secretive and Freemasons esque appliqué we see on the subject, it breeds rumours and conspiracies - the easiest way to quash such ignorance and idiocy is to demonstrate that there is no voodoo magic in VBS - the minor details that make them different are ones that will either be deeply pointless in a Game, or easily added via Mods or patches if BI decide.

the current atmosphere has been created, in my mind, by a lack of information, and this is evident in reading the threads here than contain any notion towards VBS and its background. 90% of the 'replies' are pure speculation and utterly unfounded, and leads to this state of affairs where we are left with people crying bloody murder that they were sold out in favour of VBS or subjects to that effect.

having an open policy negates speculation, and removes the shroud of mystery that seems to surround this subject. If ignorance is bliss, then knowledge is power - inform those who wish to be informed, and then we can get over this topic once and for all. Open a thread, one single thread, where all VBS related discussions and questions can be held. Assuming the forum rules aren't broken, or any sort of company secrets about the product (if any) then this would suffice to keep people happy. Those who wish to keep out of the subject, ignore the thread.

Unfortunately it would be ignorant of me to say that there would be no heated debates or conversations along the lines of how VBS raped the community, or ArmA or my pet donkey - as long as these are kept to a minimum then perhaps the idea could work. I mean, christ, there are still people who see VBS2 as a game, and confused why it costs $1500.

[walker 0]

Hi all

I have always preferred open honest communication.

VBS customers are going to / DO come here whether incognito or openly. Most of them are big boys and girls and can take a bit of ribbing or indeed abuse. Normal modding can and must take care of the latter after all abuse is abuse, in forum, whether aimed at members of the military-industrial complex (MIC) or Anarcho Andy both deserve and should get the moddies protection.

The OFP/ArmA community has added a lot to OFP and will to ArmA. The Community is very broad and age ranges from 10 to 70 plus, mean some of the community have hormonal problems (spotty boys finding out about girls and 14 year old girls enjoying their sadism years) and a host of grumpy old men/women inevitably means a degree of diversity of opinions. That said it is extremely productive far more than any other game engine by a factor of about ten.

VBS and ArmA are going to have some trickle through in both directions and while some stuff may have been held back for purposes of product differentiation I feel some of these are needlessly held back to ArmA and BIS's detriment.

There do need to be some clear additional rules though. It is why I am an advocate of proper and clear statements for protecting IP and the use of EULA. It is far too easy for those who are not aware to get them selves in to very deep water whether that be Anarcho Anthea or MIC Mandy.

MICs need to ask before using community IP. BIS/BIA as far I am aware do. People also need to be aware that copying someones ideas whether you rewrite the code or not is illegal in most countries and is just plane dishonourable, why not ask the originator of the code to help or indeed pay them after all we are not in China are we?

The whiners who threaten to copy VBS content need to remember piracy is just that and exactly the same applies to VBS content as to community IP. As to secure content or munitions scale simulation it is not an issue for this board other than to give out the warnings about avoiding too close simulation of part task trainers and in particular MANPADS.

I am sure BIS/BIA are well aware of the value of community contributions and the danger of loosing its the brand image if it were to actively engage in copying community ideas without recompensing those who's IP it is and would and indeed does warn its customers not to engage in such activities the same as it pursues those who steal its own IP.

The community of ArmA/OFP has always been a little more mature than most gaming communities. I personally see nothing wrong with VBS customers coming here while there may be some teething problems I think the OFP/ArmA community is big enough and mature enough to cope.

Kind Regards walker

[AgentJonathan 0]

You know what, FROGSTAR!? (And all) I won't even participate in this crap if my opinion is going to be damned!!!

And by the way, Frogstar:

Quote[/b] ]PS: Frogstar's reason for no VBS is just another piece of crap, that really makes no friggin sense.......  

That actually means that I agree with your sample of vbs nerd talk. I wasn't insulting u...

PS: Sorry for any misunderstandings... I don't insult anyone without knowing them...

And Let me just friggin say, I AM AMERICAN BUT GUESS WHAT? I'm friggin 13, and language is my worst subject in school!

Don't get me wrong, some discussions actually went somewhere, but what i read was complete crap...

[Mr_Tea 0]

I don`t care that much about VBS2, because it`s astronomic price tag.

I would be more interested about what the Arma engine is capable of, @ max of course.

[AgentJonathan 0]

I also dont flaimbait... Dude you have it all wrong... You misunderstood that "friendly flaimbait". It was supportive towards you, not an insult toward you...

Sorry... I will make a new vow now. "If I am tired at night, I will not post."