Vista proformance tip

[frostybits 0]

Hi ppl

Long time lurker Registered today just so i could share my successfull performance tips from many setting changes.

Firstly My specs are as follows

Core2 e6600

asus p5b-e

8800 gtx (drivers beta 101.41)

4 gig of ram ddr800

vista home prem 64 bit

I can not get this game stable on 105 or 105+ so am happy to play through on 104. I say happy because the demo before it and the 105 patch have instant memory performance issues, my experiance in 104 is zero memory issues with not a single crash.

I have to turn my in game settings lower than I would like, but I expect this as bis and Ms are still getting their head around the new platform....it sill looks very nice.

Audio

Hardware:  audio  on

eax :   off

Video

view distance: 1200 default

1280x1024 32bit

Terrain: normal

objects: normal

texture: normal

shading: normal

Post effects: low

Anisotropic: normal

Shadows: low

anti A : low

Blood: high

Once venturing into the Campaign however the bigger built up areas gave me slow down, I got some significant boost by setting my (nvidia control panel) /Manage 3d settings / configuration to the below.

Anisotropic filtering: App controlled

Anti A gamma cor: off

Anti A mode : app controlled

Anti A setting:app controlled

Anti A trans :off

Con texture clamp:Use Hardware

Error rep: off

Ext limit :off

force mips: trilinear

Multi disple gpu accel: single dis pro

Texture filt anisotropic: off

texture filt neg lod: allow

texture filt: quality

Texture filt tirlinear op: on

Tread op: off

triple buffering: off

Vertical syn: force on

Now the two things to really and I mean significantly inprove performance around buildings was

...triple buffering :off   ....vertical sync: force on

Just my 2 cents for those struggling with vista and 8800 cards.

Hope others have a smoother experience too.

[sirex 0]

hmmm, pretty sure you'll find forcing vert sync off will help, not on. oddness.

[frostybits 0]

I agree You would think it would would'nt you.

But I guess you would think a computer like mine and many others would blast this game as well .

[EricM 0]

There must be something seriously wrong with Vista currently (and 8800 drivers...). What frame rate do you have on average ? If you have 60+ fair enough, because I get around 20/25 with 6600GT and 4 years old athlon 2000+ with same settings as yours except @1024*768...

And Vsync off helped alot for me, as well as card settings on Performance (not quality).

Maube this should be in Troubleshooting though...

[frostybits 0]

Eric I cant make myself go down to performance from quality, its a stubborn issue I have with wanting a smooth experience and pretty scenery.

As for should this have been posted in trouble shooting I really just ment it as a general shout out, but as ppl reply with their issues maybe your right.

[sirex 0]

lol, get someone else to do it when your not looking, you wont notice the diffrence but the frame rate will be higher.

[Jack-UK 0]

Umm you can't force off Vsync in Vista... it stays on even if you force it off, its required for the Vista GUI...

(or has Nvidia got around this?) it can be turned off in a game, so long as theres an ingame setting to disable it (not present in ArmA)

[DieAngel 0]

vista is a ressource hog really, i would avoid it for now if you can

[Mr_Tea 0]

vista is a ressource hog really, i would avoid it for now if you can

It is not.

It is emulating all, or nearly all DX9 features, it has DX10.

It`s a wonder that the DX9 games work that good as they do under Vista.

[sickboy 13]

vista is a ressource hog really, i would avoid it for now if you can

It is not.

It is emulating all, or nearly all DX9 features, it has DX10.

It`s a wonder that the DX9 games work that good as they do under Vista.

It is said that the new system would be that much optimized, that when all the drivers are working as they should, DX9 should be as fast on Vista as it is on XP, and in some parts even go beyond.

So emulation or no emulation, there seems to be a good part of optimizations and changes that allow for higher performance even while emulating!

Quote[/b] ]vista is a ressource hog really, i would avoid it for now if you can

Just because you see that nearly all ur memory is used in Vista, doesn't make it a resource hog, more a step forward.  Yes some display stuff and things take some more resources (but who the F cares, we're not on 486's anymore right?) but in return you get a lot of performance back aswell. Vista uses that much memory simply because it caches a shitload to shorten load  times etc. etc. As soon as programs would need the memory then it will be given to it!

Better than having 4gb of ram in ur system of which you can only use 3 (in xp) aswell as usually have only 25-50% of the amount of RAM In use....

Vista makes use of it and gives you performance in return

(Dont misread performance for gaming performance as im speaking about generic pc performance...   videocard drivers are simply not on par yet).

And sure, I dont recommend running Vista on a 1.5ghz athlon or pentium 4 with 512mb ram, if you intend to play modern games But that even makes things problematic on XP anyway

I guess it looks pretty cool to the m8s ... bitching about MS products just like the rest of the group, but let's put some facts and expertism on the table shall we

[dirtylarrygb 0]

vista is a ressource hog really, i would avoid it for now if you can

It is not.

It is emulating all, or nearly all DX9 features, it has DX10.

It`s a wonder that the DX9 games work that good as they do under Vista.

It is said that the new system would be that much optimized, that when all the drivers are working as they should, DX9 should be as fast on Vista as it is on XP, and in some parts even go beyond.

So emulation or no emulation, there seems to be a good part of optimizations and changes that allow for higher performance even while emulating!

Quote[/b] ]vista is a ressource hog really, i would avoid it for now if you can

Just because you see that nearly all ur memory is used in Vista, doesn't make it a resource hog, more a step forward. Yes some display stuff and things take some more resources (but who the F cares, we're not on 486's anymore right?) but in return you get a lot of performance back aswell. Vista uses that much memory simply because it caches a shitload to shorten load times etc. etc. As soon as programs would need the memory then it will be given to it!

Better than having 4gb of ram in ur system of which you can only use 3 (in xp) aswell as usually have only 25-50% of the amount of RAM In use....

Vista makes use of it and gives you performance in return

(Dont misread performance for gaming performance as im speaking about generic pc performance... videocard drivers are simply not on par yet).

And sure, I dont recommend running Vista on a 1.5ghz athlon or pentium 4 with 512mb ram, if you intend to play modern games But that even makes things problematic on XP anyway

I guess it looks pretty cool to the m8s ... bitching about MS products just like the rest of the group, but let's put some facts and expertism on the table shall we

In time much should run better under vista than under XP even games.

Right now the two reasons I'm not using vista is that Vertical Sync is ON and can't be forced off yet. Xifi cards have to run crap to get round some bad ideas by MS for surround sound that messes up the way they work.

Both the above will be sorted.

The 8800 seems as good in Vista as in Xp already, but i think the last few bug fixes and issues will take a few more months yet.

best vista tip is use Xp for games for now... ;}

[CameronMcDonald 146]

I don't agree with your last point. Armed Assault is the only game I'm having issues with Vista specifically, all of the following run AOK.

-Company of Heroes (obviously)

- Doom 3 and RoE

- GRAW

- Hitman: Silent Assassin, Hitman: Contracts and Hitman: Blood Money

- Max Payne and Max Payne 2

- NFS: Porsche Challenge and NFS: Most Wanted

- Oblivion

- Prey

- Quake 4

- Rainbow Six 3 - Raven Shield

- Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends

- Serious Sam and Serious Sam 2

- SWAT 3 and SWAT 4

- UT and UT2004 (haven't had a go with UT2003 yet).

I still have a minor issue with the 8800 drivers and Oblivion, but I've been having this problem since my XP upgrade. As such, Vista shouldn't be tainted with a poor name as far as gaming goes, since the vast majority of programs run, and run well.

[Mr_Tea 0]

Most people that never tested Vista them selfs, say it`s an performance hog, bla bla, crap, will never use it.

Vista is using more memory for the eyecandy and other new stuff,

but once you start a game the memory is freed for the game.

When the game is shut down, Vista is using only that much RAM than Win2k does, and that is not much.

So everyone that don`t have any first hand knowledge of Vista should simply shut up, and stop spreading bullshit.

[dirtylarrygb 0]

I don't agree with your last point. Armed Assault is the only game I'm having issues with Vista specifically, all of the following run AOK.

-Company of Heroes (obviously)

- Doom 3 and RoE

- GRAW

- Hitman: Silent Assassin, Hitman: Contracts and Hitman: Blood Money

- Max Payne and Max Payne 2

- NFS: Porsche Challenge and NFS: Most Wanted

- Oblivion

- Prey

- Quake 4

- Rainbow Six 3 - Raven Shield

- Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends

- Serious Sam and Serious Sam 2

- SWAT 3 and SWAT 4

- UT and UT2004 (haven't had a go with UT2003 yet).

I still have a minor issue with the 8800 drivers and Oblivion, but I've been having this problem since my XP upgrade. As such, Vista shouldn't be tainted with a poor name as far as gaming goes, since the vast majority of programs run, and run well.

Erm barring the fact in Vista all versions surround sound in games is fooked! Well for creative users!

And the 8800 issues are worse and almost all benchmarks show Xp is still way faster and is less hassle for gaming now.

Don't get me wrong I will install Vista Happily. But not just yet, it's still to buggy and way to much hassle for now.

Stalker still is a pain, ARMA is mainly a pain, WOW keeps freaking out in vista. So as these are my main 3 games no reason to jump JUST yet.

Also Rainbow 6 freaks in Vista as well. Quite a few games run ok, but theres still quite a list of stuff that best kept of vista till either patches or new drivers arrive.

halo 2 is not enough for me to jump, Crysis may be the swing vote.

[Mr_Tea 0]

Vista is using DX10 and can only emulate DX9, direct sound is skipped because of DRM. We don`t have to understand that, it`s Microsoft logic, policy or whatever.

We will get an big performance boost, with DX10 hardware that run DX10 games.

Creative is still working out how the new soundsystem works.

But there is a program available for Xfi users, that allows surround sound with Vista.

[walker 0]

Hi all

I have used so many operating systems I have forgotten how many. I started programming when they used ticker tape and buff coloured cards and the computer was run from four rooms. I used CPM before MS DOS and went to one of the worlds first MS DOS training conferences. I have used ICL, VAX, AS400, MAC, operating systems written in fourth, so many flavours of Unix they are lost in a haze, Amiga Dos and 20 or so other dedicated home computer OS etc.

I got back into MS through windows 3.0 and my work. I have used every version since.

With all that experience there is one thing I learned:

It takes about about nine months for any operating system or large program to bed in

It seems to be as invariable as Moore's Law.

Kind Regards walker

[Jack-UK 0]

I completely agree with you Walker, im at *least* waiting for the first service pack to be released, XP only really seemed viable for me after SP1... SP2 also increased stability a lot, so im gonna wait for a major service pack to be released for the OS.

Vista eventually will give better performance than XP in games, but you must be patient if you've already bought the new OS.

[frostybits 0]

I totally agree and stated so in my original post that I expected as much, however the puzzel for me is I just finished halflife2 in 64 bit mode which run beautifully and quake 4 1600x1200 all bells and whistles on. John Carmack warnned against vista with id games and problems, but the truth is they  run better!

Im not thick and researched long and hard on the change over and compatability issues, I have to say I have much less problems than expected, except armed assault, it is much worse than expected but in 104 it lets me play so ill just be happy for that in the mean time.

Goodluck BIS with your American Release.

[Jack-UK 0]

Yeah i also read a while ago that the only game tested which had a performance INCREASE was Doom 3 :S lol

[dirtylarrygb 0]

Hi all

I have used so many operating systems I have forgotten how many. I started programming when they used ticker tape and buff coloured cards and the computer was run from four rooms. I used CPM before MS DOS and went to one of the worlds first MS DOS training conferences. I have used ICL, VAX, AS400, MAC, operating systems written in fourth, so many flavours of Unix they are lost in a haze, Amiga Dos and 20 or so other dedicated home computer OS etc.

I got back into MS through windows 3.0 and my work. I have used every version since.

With all that experience there is one thing I learned:

It takes about about nine months for any operating system or large program to bed in

It seems to be as invariable as Moore's Law.

Kind Regards walker

yeah please note no version of windows has ever booted as fast and then loaded a word processor as 3.11.

And you could argue DOS was way faster ;}

News OS, new fun, new 9 months of bugs...

[dirtylarrygb 0]

Vista is using DX10 and can only emulate DX9, direct sound is skipped because of DRM. We don`t have to understand that, it`s Microsoft logic, policy or whatever.

We will get an big performance boost, with DX10 hardware that run DX10 games.

Creative is still working out how the new soundsystem works.

But there is a program available for Xfi users, that allows surround sound with Vista.

Yes i read about the patch for vista and that it currently buggers things.

great aint it, EMI announce no more DRm for music, everyone is about to drop it. And MS decide to riddle Vista with it so much creative are locked out!!!!!!!!

Dx10 is great, I need more than the cascades demo to upgrade for now ;}

Crysis will be the reason. MS can stick PC halo 2 up their butt, Ill be playing halo 3 on the xbox360.

Tell then I'm avoiding Vista for a bit longer, if i wanted a fancy GUI I would be using a mac ;}