el Gringo Loco 1 Posted February 10, 2002 All you guys who can get BBC1 watch it. on 23:15 CET or 22:15 british time on BBC1 panorama. http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-per....8321_45 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted February 10, 2002 WTF is Bravo Two Zero? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingBeast 0 Posted February 10, 2002 SAS patrol in the Gulf that had some very shite luck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el Gringo Loco 1 Posted February 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Damage Inc @ Feb. 10 2002,20:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WTF is Bravo Two Zero?<span id='postcolor'> Yeez Damage, your pathetic If you don't know B20 why do you play OFP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 10, 2002 Bravo20 was an SAS squad that went iinto iraq behind lines to do a mission and it all went pearshaped resulting in capture and torture by iraqis and after that the main dude Andy McNab wrote the book and a follow up called immediate action which in my opinion is the best ever books i read Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted February 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (L24A @ Feb. 10 2002,21:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WTF is Bravo Two Zero?<span id='postcolor'> Yeez Damage, your pathetic If you don't know B20 why do you play OFP?<span id='postcolor'> For fun, I've never said I was a military freak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el Gringo Loco 1 Posted February 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bravo20 was an SAS squad that went iinto iraq behind lines to do a mission  and it all went pearshaped resulting in capture and torture by iraqis   and after that  the main dude  Andy McNab wrote the book and a follow up called immediate action  which in my opinion is the best ever books i read<span id='postcolor'> IA was the better one I think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 10, 2002 yeah i would defiently agree with that taking u right back to how he got there into the SAS and his life baslically and his ireland tour etc i sat and read the book continous till i finished it next morning both books highly recommended Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted February 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hilandor @ Feb. 10 2002,19:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and after that  the main dude  Andy McNab wrote the book and a follow up called immediate action  which in my opinion is the best ever books i read<span id='postcolor'> I'll see your Andy McNab and raise you 14 Sven Hassel's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 10, 2002 hahaha well guess what i already seen the missus to goto second hand shop and ask the boss to keep a look out for them for me =]] so il reserve judgement but if anything like my old biggles collection then i cant wait Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Op 0 Posted February 10, 2002 in the drama of Bravo Two Zero a few years ago there was this hilarious scene in it, its the one were Sean Bean plays Andy McNabb (sp?). And when hes been captured and is been interogated Andy says " Look, i dont know jack shit" and the Iragi captor replies " I dont think the British army send men behind lines who know "jack shit" " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el Gringo Loco 1 Posted February 10, 2002 Sad thing of it all was that there was some rivalry going on between Andy and Chris (Ryan). (chris was the one who got away). In both tv-films and books (the one who got away was the far the better one) they're more or less blaming eachother that everything went pearshaped during the mission. Andy saying that Chris almost disagreed on everything Andy ordered (andy was group commander) and Chris arguing that Andy had a total lack of leadership skills and was only interested in medals and glory. The New-zealander in the group (mark I think) later told on New-Zealand TV that both books are quite far from what really happened. However both books started a fashion amongst ex-sas troopers who now all started to write their exploits down in books. This made the SAS excommunicate this ex-members and a rule was set in place which basically said that if you wrote a book on the SAS as an ex-member you're not welcome anymore at stirling lines and serving SAS-members were prohibited to speak to them. There was even a fake ex-member (Paul Bruce) who claimed in a book (The nemesis file) that he was part of a SAS-execution squad which operated in the 80s in Northern Ireland and was executing suspected IRA-members. Bruce got exposed as a fake and found himself in the dock for wasting police time. As the RUC lifted him from his bed under the prevention of terrorism act. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antichrist 0 Posted February 10, 2002 What about the movie? Did it show what really happened or was complete bullshit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingBeast 0 Posted February 10, 2002 If you like that sort of thing you should read CQB, follows a welsh guy from when he joined the Paras and served in the Falklands, and then the gulf and Bosnia and such. Was a really interesting read. And I think the movie was pretty accurate, it was excellently done too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxer 0 Posted February 10, 2002 I got one bbc channel,and IT;s GAY.all it shows is stupid stuff. I have discovery wings channel,history channel,history channel International,International news channel(which shows news from around the world) also alot more.Anyways all these channels don't show crap really,except the history channels and wings channel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thehamster 0 Posted February 10, 2002 I have only read The one that got away and it was kind of cack as well can't say if Bravo20 is but I reckon it is. I seriously doubt if the stories told have any or little truth on what really happend there at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el Gringo Loco 1 Posted February 10, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Feb. 10 2002,22:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I got one bbc channel,and IT;s GAY.all it shows is stupid stuff. I have discovery wings channel,history channel,history channel International,International news channel(which shows news from around the world) also alot more.Anyways all these channels   don't show crap really,except the history channels and wings channel.<span id='postcolor'> Good for you! But what are you actually trying to tell us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxer 0 Posted February 10, 2002 i have no clue,other then i would like to see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 10, 2002 I read the book before i seen the film and wasnt really struck by the film but it was decent nevertheless. The book obviously gives a lot more detail of what he was thinking etc at the tiime, how he was coping with the torture and time spent in the cell on his own. But Immediate action as said before is a fantastic book, it takes u through the necessary training mcnab had to do to get into SAS, training iin beleize and stint in Northern Ireland when it was real bad and basically what the life of an SAS soldier is all about. If ever u wanna read two books its gotta be them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingBeast 0 Posted February 10, 2002 Wel lthat was a decent programme, some pretty revealing stuff. The MOD dont seem to be very nice chaps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie_McSheenie 1 Posted February 10, 2002 I thought it was cool because the big fights had a lot of realism, and there was no yanks shunning injury to go fight and save their comrades type shite either, plus it really does look like the SAS are shitting themselves waiting for the iraqi's to attack. Top notch stuff, the torturing bit wasn't particularily my favorite bit though, the firefights rocked. i didn't know that chris ryan was in that squad either, is he the one whose a bit of a nonce always going on about clothes and stuff (you see him walking alone knackered complaining about military uniforms) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 11, 2002 indeed kingbeast  the documentary  sure did show the failings of the MOD, i for one think that bravo20  did everything they could   they engaged in a firefight they had no chance of winning  they tabbed half the night thru one of the worst winters seen in 50 years in iraq  unofortunetly  the squad was split up  but thru no ones fault. This wasnt heroism or nowt it was pure survival for them, like said in the documentary, "when ur in a situation like this , the saftey net ( helicopter extraction) is there so ur not stranded,  and it didnt turn up although the radio signals were received.  No one can be blamed either for the death of their fellow squad member, survival is paramount imo. Good thing tho is that there is now another book  by the regimental seargant major  which should also be a decent read.  Im off to bookstore  right now =]] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el Gringo Loco 1 Posted February 11, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hilandor @ Feb. 11 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">indeed kingbeast  the documentary  sure did show the failings of the MOD, i for one think that bravo20  did everything they could   they engaged in a firefight they had no chance of winning  they tabbed half the night thru one of the worst winters seen in 50 years in iraq  unofortunetly  the squad was split up  but thru no ones fault. This wasnt heroism or nowt it was pure survival for them, like said in the documentary, "when ur in a situation like this , the saftey net ( helicopter extraction) is there so ur not stranded,  and it didnt turn up although the radio signals were received.  No one can be blamed either for the death of their fellow squad member, survival is paramount imo. Good thing tho is that there is now another book  by the regimental seargant major  which should also be a decent read.  Im off to bookstore  right now =]]<span id='postcolor'> I'm afraid that the book written by Ratcliffe (Regimental SM) is more soothing and tries to cover up some of the cock-ups made by the regiment during the B20 mission. It is very suspicious that his book got the green light from the MOD and Coburn have to fight the MOD in court. I say, something stinks. In the documentary also Ratcliffe had for every probing question a defending answer which to my liking was a little bit to obvious in certain cases. Ratcliffe is undoubtly protecting the regiment in the documentary by covering up the faults they made. I'm afraid he'll do the same in his book, as it had the green light from the MOD, which makes it for me harder to read with an open mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingBeast 0 Posted February 11, 2002 I completely agree L24A, Ratcliffe indeed seemed liek a bit of a Rat. He basically caleld his comrades liars, and was far too fast to justify the fact that despite knowing the squad were in trouble they didnt react. Ive heard his book is good, but I dont think much of the man from that interview. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted February 11, 2002 Yes i got the same impression , Ratcliffe almost sounded like hed been briefed what to say, and it sounds like politics was involved in the decision not to rescue them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
