JallaTryne 0 Posted March 30, 2007 Before I throw away this game, Ill have to ask if anyone but me have experienced being the commander, and not being allowed to lead your troops. If I order them to fall into formation, I say "All follow all", or "All follow someone else but me", and they just stand there dying like the moron AI they are. What am I doing wrong here? It seems to be randomly happening. And why is it I get "mission completed" but 0 points and 3 red crosses in the debrief? I suspected I accidentally must have killed a civilian or some friendly soldier, but now I am not so sure anymore. I was hoping they had refined the game engine and AI since resistance, but no.. It is still the akward movement system, all-seing enemies, random events that breaks a mission, pointless saving mechanism etc etc. Ill play it through, but what a dissapointment this game is to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
major woody 12 Posted March 30, 2007 I've the very same experinces, especaly if it's a very big game (lagging). Some times it helps me saveing the game. Otherwise save the game once again and leave the game and reload it again. Not a steady solution but hopefully BIS will patch this bug later on. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deanosbeano 0 Posted March 30, 2007 maybe its your status thats applied in the mission editor? sometimes all the groups are set as private and not ranked properly try to set yourself has a major then you will be top of the roost. if ya talking default bis missions then hmm well err. the graphics are nice arennt they . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fitzee 7 Posted March 30, 2007 Dunno if this is same as what your saying but.. When your squad is split into 2 groups, like the mission where you command 2 humvees, once your out of the hummers pressing the ~ key will only select your immediate group. Pressing it twice will select the rest. Also when you tell one or more of your squad to go to a certain location or task, afterwards they will not respond with the rest of your squad unless ordered back into formation. Hope this helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JallaTryne 0 Posted March 30, 2007 (Fitzee @ Mar. 30 2007,16:24) said: Dunno if this is same as what your saying but..When your squad is split into 2 groups, like the mission where you command 2 humvees, once your out of the hummers pressing the ~ key will only select your immediate group. Pressing it twice will select the rest. Also when you tell one or more of your squad to go to a certain location or task, afterwards they will not respond with the rest of your squad unless ordered back into formation. Hope this helps. Well, Ill give an example. The mission where you must repell enemy beachlanding. First time I played it the command system worked as expected. Next time I was unable to command the formation. This was right after disembarking the strykers. I am obviously in charge since I have the command menu interface working, but I always tell them to follow some AI moron. "All follow all" makes no sense. This has happened several times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wamingo 1 Posted March 30, 2007 Happens sometimes but I found radio Done or Waiting (can't remember, one or the other or both) will give you proper command back. Try it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddmatt 1 Posted March 30, 2007 (wamingo @ Mar. 30 2007,17:40) said: Happens sometimes but I found radio Done or Waiting (can't remember, one or the other or both) will give you proper command back. Try it. Radio done will solve the problem. 0-1 I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troop 0 Posted March 30, 2007 This happens, if you are the commander of an group and have the highest rank ...in addition(! ) with an Teamleader present in your group, which has an lower (but not *the* lowest! ), rank after you *and* even lower rank (than Teamleader rank) group members present. Missiondesigners (should) allocate ranks. Read carefully, its somewhat difficult, what makes it happen. - The situation, when it happens goes like this: 1. You, The groups commander, enter an vehicle and *dont* give any commands to your remaining group before you enter. (Example: All; Stop) 2. The function underlying, then *assumes*, you are no longer an member of this group and thus, the next *lower* rank, your Teamleader, assumes command of the remaining group. 3. What you *dont* see in any way is, that he even gives an command to *you*, the 'former' commander! (bug?) Same in OFP. 4. Now, if you exit the vehicle (I would guess, as long as you are in the vehicle, you are considered an own 'group' to your 'real' group...yes, its difficult to explain) you *resume* command of your 'real' group! BUT: 5. The last command, your Teamleader has given the entire group, including invisibly(! ) for you, is still in effect! That means, if now YOU give an command to the group, (return to formation from stop, i.e.) it is really given to your Teamleader, instead of ALL. The result from that is: 'ALL, follow ALL' (or: follow 2; that happens as well, if the Team Leader is the *same* rank as you in the mission! ) 6. To avoid/resolve 'ALL follow ALL' (or follow 2) all you have to do (after existing vehicle) is *acknowledge* the 'invisible' command: Just use '0' and then '1' or '2' for either *Done* or *Fail* In the same moment, *true* command is given back to you, the 'real' Commander. - Yeah, I know, this is damn hard to describe;..but its exactly as that. Next time, you get frustrated about loss of command, just do step 6; thats all. - Edit: Sorry, got it wrong first time. Of course, the command is '0' and then 1 or 2...not '5' like I wrote first. Edit2: Thanks to plaintiff1 for pointing out my error with 'invisible' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroK3n 0 Posted March 30, 2007 i noticed this happens after i say a certain thing and that is, "Injured". I presume that this somehow makes the game think that u are dead and unable and gives the control to the next high ranking player.... in a half arsed way, of course. Either getting healed or pressing 0-1 (Done) like the guy above said will solve this problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bingo 0 Posted March 30, 2007 Wow troop, nice explanation I'll keep that in mind, even though I'm not the guy with the issue. Has this been wikiid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted March 30, 2007 I think that what troop means by 'invincible' is 'invisible'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frederf 0 Posted March 30, 2007 (troop @ Mar. 30 2007,08:55) said: This happens, if you are the commander of an group and have the highest rank...in addition(! ) with an Teamleader present in your group, which has an lower (but not *the* lowest! ), rank after you *and* even lower rank (than Teamleader rank) group members present. Missiondesigners (should) allocate ranks. Read carefully, its somewhat difficult, what makes it happen. - The situation, when it happens goes like this: 1. You, The groups commander, enter an vehicle and *dont* give any commands to your remaining group before you enter. (Example: All; Stop) 2. The function underlying, then *assumes*, you are no longer an member of this group and thus, the next *lower* rank, your Teamleader, assumes command of the remaining group. 3. What you *dont* see in any way is, that he even gives an command to *you*, the 'former' commander! (bug?) Same in OFP. 4. Now, if you exit the vehicle (I would guess, as long as you are in the vehicle, you are considered an own 'group' to your 'real' group...yes, its difficult to explain) you *resume* command of your 'real' group! BUT: 5. The last command, your Teamleader has given the entire group, including invincibly(! ) for you, is still in effect! That means, if now YOU give an command to the group, (return to formation from stop, i.e.) it is really given to your Teamleader, instead of ALL. The result from that is: 'ALL, follow ALL' (or: follow 2; that happens as well, if the Team Leader is the *same* rank as you in the mission! ) 6. To avoid/resolve 'ALL follow ALL' (or follow 2) all you have to do (after existing vehicle) is *acknowledge* the 'invincible' command: Just use '0' and then '1' or '2' for either *Done* or *Fail* In the same moment, *true* command is given back to you, the 'real' Commander. - Yeah, I know, this is damn hard to describe;..but its exactly as that. Next time, you get frustrated about loss of command, just do step 6; thats all. - Edit: Sorry, got it wrong first time. Of course, the command is '0' and then 1 or 2...not '5' like I wrote first. Nice tip by the way! This falls directly under "errors regarding locality" bugs in ArmA. How if you are in a vehicle you're suddenly displaced from normal time and space. I don't mean locality like local machine, remote machine, server machine locality (although those bugs happen too) but the identify of groups. I have had this bug that 0-1 could fix though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites