Not a discussion about the mods

[granQ 293]

This is an discussion about "for who is the police" working for.

Is it just me that getting tired that the police in some countries doesnt let you discuss their behaviour and acts and not only do they not allow the discussion, they threat people that comes up with a warning.

Makes me wonder for who the police exisits, is it to help the average Joe have a good day without problem or is to make sure certain thoughts and idea arent expressed.

The other day a police told me to "get a life", clearly he must thought that a discussion on the future of the country I have lived on for almost 6 years wasnt a good way to spend the day.

Would it hurt so much for this country to allow ONE free thread for discussion about the police state?

[wex-q 0]

Because the mo.. Ehrm, police, are afraid to get an angry mob after them?

I concur with your opinion

wex

[Hornet85 0]

im on your side

[fardwark 0]

Unfortunately, the police state depends upon complete control of thoughts and expression otherwise it is in risk of being overthrown or at the very least destabilised.

Originally, police forces are put in place to protect both the civilians and to uphold the values and laws that the society in question has enacted. However, in some cases they swing from protecting the freedom of the citizens to protecting the power of the state. As long as you stay in the rank and file and do not speak out against the authorities you seemingly enjoy the normal freedoms as dictated by the UN human rights declaration, however they are false freedoms. You are free, but only to do what they tell you.

Those who dare speak out against the oppressiveness are quickly dealt with, usually by forcibly removing them or at least removing their possibility to speak out against the authorities. In free speech and free thought lies the destruction of oppressive regimes, it therefore stands to reason that oppressive regimes spend most of their time fighting those freedoms.

[chipper 0]

FUCK THE SYSTEM!!!

[sickboy 13]

Am I the only one with a voice that found the PM button to Debate with "the police"?

[granQ 293]

Am I the only one with a voice that found the PM button to Debate with "the police"?

well, the police love to talk at the station dont they? But to discuss in public is totaly diffrent, esp since that makes things more official.

[sickboy 13]

well, the police love to talk at the station dont they? But to discuss in public is totaly diffrent, esp since that makes things more official.

Well, that's simply a rule which they follow But I guess that's what the thread is about aswell

Anyway IMHO it is a very normal thing to keep such dealings in PM. Altough I agree that there might be some more answers and info stream coming from them, ala Placebo I guess

[Planck 1]

As this is not about OFP or ArmA stuff, isn't it off topic?

I thought these boards were for discussion on aspects of the aforementioned games.

This might be more at home in.....emmmm.........ehhhh.........well.....off-topic maybe.

Planck

[bedges 0]

a website being like a police state... hmmm. it's a very strong comparison isn't it? if topics on these forums included discussion about serious human rights violations which were subsequently stomped upon by those in charge so that no-one could read them, i think you'd have a point. but topics on these forums deal with operation flashpoint, elite and armed assault. computer games.

i think a more apt analogy would be a friend's house. you go round to talk to your mates about sport, and about your girlfriend, and about the latest developments in a game you all like playing. thing is, your mate's mother is usually around, and she doesn't like to hear people swearing.

now you and your mates, you express yourselves however you like usually, swearing included, but when you're at your mate's house, and his mom is around, he prefers it if you don't swear.

so if he asks you to piss off home after you say "fuck" one too many times in front of her, is he infringing on your freedom of expression? when he throws you out of his house after you argue that he's being unreasonable, is his house a police state?

or is it just that you haven't yet grasped the concept of behaving with respect for the rules of the house in which you are lucky enough to be a guest?

hmmm....

[fardwark 0]

It would be a vast improvement if the powers that be only regulated how we expressed ourselves, as it is now they want to control what we express.

To use your analogy of a friends house (although I think a neutral area like a pub would be a more apt analogy), his mother is not just trying to stop you from saying "I disagree with this for fuck sake", she wants to stop you from disagreeing at all.

I argue with my friends all the time, we're all intelligent human beings who think for ourselves, and naturally our opinions are not always aligned. Admittedly our opinions of most things are usually somewhere in the same area, but they're different enough that arguments arise.

If I say something that is enough opposed to what my friend thinks, his mother is going to throw me out. It doesn't matter how I express those views, I could make the most reasoned argument possible for my case and I would still be shown to the door since my opinions didn't fit the approved opinions of the house.

And also, more importantly, if I dare to disagree with his mother on something, I will be thrown out that much faster. If she were to caution me for example and say something like I should stop talking because it sounds like I'm about to break the rules of approved talking subjects, and I were to respond and say that I disagree, I would not be given a chance to state my case and show her how the subject is actually ok according to the rules. I would be thrown out.

Is the forum = police state analogy extreme? Sure it is, but those are the best kind of analogies because it forces people to deal with things instead of just complying with whatever they're told to do.

[granQ 293]

bedges..I will skip the metafor for a while.

When mods reply to a "why cant we discuss this" with a "Please read the rules: No public discussion about a mod's decision. "

(this happened when i released the handguns for arma and invited people to talk about Resistance to ArmA imports)

Then I think its just wrong, why not explain why this matter cant be discussed. Another exempel was when I got my "warning".

A post that I said several team have talked alot and delivered so little made people angry, not the community but the mods and some members of Unsung (that clearly forgot I did alot of coding and structure for them), so when I answered them and also talked about the topic I got my warning based on "you talk off-topic". The real reason was ofcourse that I also had criticed CWR team.. and since their member also happens to be a forum moderator that was offcourse not correct. raedor warned me and said "lets take this in PM".

Again, away from the public.. and this is not only me, not only the current mods. Remeber how Toadlife because he mention the cr-a-c-k word. This some years ago, for those that doesnt remeber Toadlife been sharing his script and knowledge, always helping out.

ofcourse the rules should be fair and same for everyone, but if someone like constantly pushes and fights with the mods. A warning should be handled out.. but when the mods start to close and lock (really shocking this thread still open) threads the same second they read something they dont like or warn/threat people the moment they say "hey wait a second.."

We cant always love each other, but as a moderator I think there needs to be a change in behaviour. If the thread starter or members say "lock this" then please do, but when several persons say "we wish to discuss this" and a mod close it down because.. he doesnt like it. Its just wrong.

[D.murphy man 0]

I for one are pretty happy how the forums are moderated, ive seen to many forums with topics that go so far off topic that you find your self trudging threw piles and piles of replys of 'lol' and such. These forums are the best iv ever had the plesure of being part of, with mostly mature members and revelant topics and convosations.

Topics closed for reasons i dont agree with are far and few between. Although i my self (a good few years ago) had a topic closed for no good reason, but i didnt really care to complain, this is a forum, not a domocracy so im not to concerd of infringment of peoples right to 'freedom of speach' or any thing as its only the internet and a public gaming forum.

[shadow 6]

You all agreed to abide by these rules the moment you signed up so I dont see a reason why question them now. Actions taken by a moderator is not open for public debates. You may ofcourse contact a moderator in private if you want to discuss the matter further. This to avoid unnecessary whining/flamefests and to keep the forum a tidy place to debate for everyone without having to wade through tons of garbage and agressive and meaningless flamewars. If you suddenly no longer approve of the rules you are free to leave.

Since I'm in a good mood today I will only lock this topic and not warn you that you are breaking rule §18

If you feel that you were wrongfully accused and punished by a moderator, feel free to present your case to me in private and I will take up the matter in private with the moderator in question.