The Future of Flashpoint

[gunterlund 0]

Severe Clear The future of Flashpoint. Ultimate Realism.

[Balschoiw 0]

[Jinef 2]

Looks good.

Hello balsy darling! How are you today?

[Balschoiw 0]

Trying to start another pollution in a different thread Jinef ?

[Nathan Bedford Forrest 0]

*deep inconceivable germannic rumblings followed by gunshot and death message of public player*

Looks quite interesting that. I'll have to follow it.

[Garcia 0]

Future of Flashpoint?

I'll show you future of flashpoint...future of flashpoint

[Guest Ti0n3r]

Interesting stuff...

[Mr_Tea 0]

Nice movie, but only the far future of Flashpoint could look like that. Even with an todays high end system there is not enough power to run a game/sim that realy looks like real life, and let you a bit of freedom.

[Ginger_Biscuit 0]

Hope that movie is released in the UK, it looks very interesting.

On-topic, if OFP could ever look like that...

The only problem would be that you'd need a super computer the size of a small country to get that much detail...a bit like 'The Matrix' or something.

Biscuit  

[Garcia 0]

errr...I don't see how this can be called the "future of flashpoint" anyway...just downloaded the movie and read about it...it says nothing about a game...it's a movie...a documentary...it's like saying Band of Brothers is the future of Call of Duty... (btw, yes I know CoD already is based on BoB)

[Jinef 2]

I think gunterland was referring to the hardcore realism this documentary proposes. The violence, swearing and fear of the squaddies as they experience horrific events is never depicted in games. Anything like that is underscored by the same cheesy political values and morales that underscore any mainstream film, like saving private ryan or something.

There is no good or bad, there is just alive and dead.

It would be hard to get a game like this sold as it would be quite depressing if done well. In fact it wouldn't actually be enjoyable.

[mr burns 132]

Just loved the sound of the weapons in the trailer, if it´s anything like that in ArmA (espcecially the AH-1 firing at the house) ill be more than satisfied

[NeMeSiS 11]

Looks interesting

[Friedchiken 0]

I would actually be really interested in trying to simulate such experiences shown in the documentary in some sort of simulation.

First of all, if games like Manhunt can portray human brutality as a part of free speech, I think it's fair artistic game to represent the fears and difficulties of combat soldiers, soldier who represent young men who chose a profession of courage under fear.

Perhaps such a form of "entertainment" may be too depressing for a normal consumer looking for a cheap thrill, but there are some people who a genuinly interested in learning as much as they can about such situations.

If a simulator could represent the harshness of battle conditions, not only would it be an excellent training tool for unexperience recruits, it would help dispel any glorification of war, as a serious documentary.  It seems to me that US training teaches skills under relatively relaxed situations, and it's often very awkward to see real life instructors try to make scary curdeling sounds as they roll around in their silly simunitions filth.

In this video, you can see instructors trying to act of the chaos of combat, yet somehow their "death screams" fail to scare the trainees.

I'll definitely try to get a DVD of this movie since I'm still trying figure out if I still want to join the US Army (as a contingency plan if finding a job after college is too difficult).

I think such harsh and honest depictions in the media are very important for showing people reality, and then allowing individuals to decide if they still want to endure the sacrifice of such endevours.

[Jinef 2]

I think such harsh and honest depictions in the media are very important for showing people reality, and then allowing individuals to decide if they still want to endure the sacrifice of such endevours.

Could not agree more. If people had more exposure, less bullshit propaganda and a bit more common sense they would lose their appetite for war quickly.

Quote[/b] ]Perhaps such a form of "entertainment" may be too depressing for a normal consumer looking for a cheap thrill, but there are some people who a genuinly interested in learning as much as they can about such situations.

Unfortunately companies don't want to waste money making educational bollocks that will not draw consumers. They want to make stuff that will earn money. Also the people interested in learning about such situations can join the military to find out or read many books.

Quote[/b] ]It seems to me that US training teaches skills under relatively relaxed situations

That is because the US has yet to have the shit severely kicked out of them. The school of hard knocks is a most influential teacher.

Quote[/b] ]you can see instructors trying to act of the chaos of combat, yet somehow their "death screams" fail to scare the trainees.

That is not training, that is a game ...

It is hard to find videos of British Army training because we don't like to film it however I found a little vid here. Try and compare.

http://video.google.com/videopl....sh+Army

As for trying to make it real you will notice in the video the scenarios they create are quite atmospheric. Also the training is done as it would be done in reality, wearing full kit, body armour etc. If a unit is expected to make an ambush at night they will train at night, common sense right?

The British Army is often in the papers for bullying etc. Unfortunately what the public and media do not realise is that if you are going to train people to kill, you need them to be acclimatised to violence. An average human with no exposure to violence will be shocked by acts of violence and will not react effectively. By getting soldiers used to violence you are preparing them for warfare and reducing the shock they will experience.

A recent example of this is the British Army being criticised for putting soldiers in a gas chamber and exposing them to CS gas. This is standard routine for soldiers who are going to be controlling riots in places such as Northern Ireland. Would the media prefer us to field a bunch of university graduates who have never been punched in their life?

Oh and take notice of the quote in the beginning of that film. I know that the French hold a low reputation in most people's eyes but be assured they have killed, tortured and oppressed just as many people as the British, which makes them all round top chaps.

That is twisted ...

[Radnik 18]

...reality of war, nothing else special on this video.

And the only thing that conects this video with OpF(ArmA) is that i would like we to have radio chater like in this movie when we communicate in game...not like Team Speak.

[xawery 0]

I really can't say what is so special about that clip. Stanley Cubrick managed to portray the same chaos, brutality and swearing in Full Metal Jacket. Over a quarter of a century ago.

[echo1 0]

I really can't say what is so special about that clip. Stanley Cubrick managed to portray the same chaos, brutality and swearing in Full Metal Jacket. Over a quarter of a century ago.

Amen to that

[deanosbeano 0]

the real future of flashpoint.

game2 forrest bad vid but you can see the wow factor

[NeMeSiS 11]

the real future of flashpoint.

game2 forrest bad vid but you can see the wow factor

Where did you get that vid?

[Myst9999 0]

I really can't say what is so special about that clip. Stanley Cubrick managed to portray the same chaos, brutality and swearing in Full Metal Jacket. Over a quarter of a century ago.

It never really hits it home with me, as it still feels like just a movie. This is real. The people dying, the bodies, all real. No special effects. The only pyrotechnics you find are the real deal.

[Friedchiken 0]

You know Jinef,

I was going to get all offended after you said that my video was just a "game", but I love that video you posted.  I like how the British also train their non-combat arms in very intense situations (my impression is that the USA has well trained soldiers but relatively soft support teams).

Sorry for going off topic to rebuke some of your statements though, I still appreciate your comments:

Quote[/b] ]That is because the US has yet to have the shit severely kicked out of them. The school of hard knocks is a most influential teacher.

Now that video I posted was showing the reservists.  It is my impression that the USA gives very harsh and excellent training for its elites (career soldiers and special forces).  A lot of people have heard of "Robin Sage" for the US Army Special Forces.  But on the other hand training for non-fighters and reservists is limited only to basic training, and that explains why they use paintballs in supplemental training in my vid.

Quote[/b] ] the people interested in learning about such situations can join the military to find out or read many books.

Very true.  In my case, I've read a lot of books, but I think that reading something is too euphenistic compared to a real experience.  I figure a simulator would give a lot of insight to how a person would react in a specific situation.  And I want to try to pass is college first before I consider the military (man, getting an engineering degree is hard!  And I wanted to be an officer, but my freshman grades have utterly disqualified me I think.   ).

Quote[/b] ]http://video.google.com/videopl....sh+Army

Did I mention I like the video?

Quote[/b] ]A recent example of this is the British Army being criticised for putting soldiers in a gas chamber and exposing them to CS gas. This is standard routine for soldiers who are going to be controlling riots in places such as Northern Ireland.

Nothing special, all US recruits must also endure getting CS gassed in a dark room.  The reason why you don't hear the US press talking about it (actually they did after 9-11) is that the recruits are too ashamed to tell their mommies they cried with red faces and red tears.  

Anyways, I'm damn proud of the British for sticking with us Americans despite all the bullshit that tends to happen.  I'm so glad you guys are on our side!

BTW, I think I found a much better training videos regarding US career soldiers:

Army Special Forces technical training (1 video of 5 in a series name)

US Basic Training Video that I had so much trouble trying to re-find that I was about to cry, please watch!

Uh yeah, I forgot which keywords I used when I found the above video.

Edit::

And to be even more off topic I found this video interesting, though I would know nothing about the authenticity:

SAJ Serbian Special Military Police

Edit 2::

When I was browsing around the internet, I started getting irritated by some of the advertisements for war-themed video games. For some reason, a lot them seemed kinda stupid as they tried to project some kind of hyper-masculine image. And then I sorta got annoyed by this ad for the US Special forces that said "sign up for your free game!" WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE THEY TRYING TO RECRUIT WITH "America's Army: Special Forces"?!!!

[Nathan Bedford Forrest 0]

Edit 2::

When I was browsing around the internet, I started getting irritated by some of the advertisements for war-themed video games.  For some reason, a lot them seemed kinda stupid as they tried to project some kind of hyper-masculine image.  And then I sorta got annoyed by this ad for the US Special forces that said "sign up for your free game!"  WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE THEY TRYING TO RECRUIT WITH "America's Army: Special Forces"?!!!

Disclaimer: There is no respawn in Iraq

x.x

I'm sure you all share my amusement at that :P Although it may backfire ...

http://dontworrysir.ytmnd.com/

[Friedchiken 0]

I love that picture, it's so horrible.

Well, I admit that maybe I got tied up in that marketing campaign too.

I used to be a fan of the Rainbow Six games, played OFP and Ghost Recon, became a fan of America's Army, then I started exercising "just in case", quit America's Army to play Flashpoint: Resistance mods...

... then read books by war vets, started reading up on world news, caught up on blogs on both sides of the middle east, started exercising again, became addicted to posting on BIS forums again,

and now I'm revolted by the video games advertising campaign.

[gunterlund 0]

I think gunterland was referring to the hardcore realism this documentary proposes. The violence, swearing and fear of the squaddies as they experience horrific events is never depicted in games. Anything like that is underscored by the same cheesy political values and morales that underscore any mainstream film, like saving private ryan or something.

There is no good or bad, there is just alive and dead.

It would be hard to get a game like this sold as it would be quite depressing if done well. In fact it wouldn't actually be enjoyable.

jinef

Your a man of my own heart. You get it.