Arrogant newbies in MP piss me off!!

[FetishFool 0]

damn it!! I've had it!! People that don't know how to define friend from enemy!!!!

They think that when ever a person's name tag is red, they're an enemy!!

When you're a russian, then all your friend's names are in RED.

When you're american, then all your friend's names are in GREEN.

If the person's side is unknown but can be west or east, then they can either be colored red OR green.

All this means that colors don't mean shit in MP!!!

A lot of people in MP don't have their texture quality turned up. So the uniforms don't show up very well beyond 30 meters. This means that they have no way of determining who's a friend and who's an enemy.

When someone first uses GameSpy, they usually have to use a new name. When they use a new name, then all the settings in OPF are set to default.

Meaning that the frame rate is set to 10, and the quality is set to 2.

When this happens, they have no idea unless they're bright enough to notice a difference.

I just wanted to post this because I was just in a game with all newbies on my team.

I was on East, and they only shot at people with a red name tag.

This means that they mostly shot at our own soldiers, and not at enemies.

When I tried to help them, I always chatted on Global chat. While they chatted on Side chat. They thought I was on West!!! So they didn't listen to me.

It even says EAST or WEST beside the name, but none of them noticed it.

I have nothing against newbies. But these guys were so arrogant that they wouldn't listen to anyone not on their East team.

I don't expect many people to read this. I wrote too much.

Grr... But I had so much to say.

[nopulse 0]

FetishFool,

I agree that there are a lot of arrogent n00bs that play OPF. Most of them probably haven't reached puberty so you can't expect them to be mature enough to respect ppl in MP

But one thing ppl have to realize is that we were ALL n00bs at some point in OPF. I know when I first started playing OPF in MP that I didn't know that you had to wait until the game ended to join in a new game, (unlike RTCW where you can just join in) or that you have to click start (green up). I'm just glad that my MP experience on Frag Haus was an extremely good one when I started playing OPF in MP. The OPs were really patient and helped me learn the ropes when I started playing OPF in MP.

But there are a lot of n00bs that really are disrespectful. Some of them jump into Tanks and Helicopters when they are not welcome. Or if they are particularly feeling sorry for themselves and are poor losers they decided to sabotage their own teams vehicles and start TK'ing. Or if they accidently kill one of their own team mates they don't apologize.

But most OPs like playing in Vet mode where you can't see the tags, therefore n00bs can't determine U.S from Russian soldiers.

Rome wasn't built in a day, so hopefully through more experience in OPF in MP they will mature and respect ppl more. Or they don't and become even more arrogent and wonder why they get banned from servers. You don't get respect unless you respect others.

[HellToupee 0]

In vet mode what i hate is when your side has enemy weapons and its darkish and in the sorts of games where who shoots first wins in fast foward for example so many team kills by accendent and therre were very few n00bs most have been playin on the server since it came out, its not just n00bs.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

I dont find it any hard to distinguish rnrmies from friends.

[Dawdler 0]

There is a simple way to identify enemies:

WAIT! WATCH!

Many people go CS style, running, proning, shooting. They dont bother seeing if its a freind or not, they just assume its an enemy since he is coming from the front (CS-Level-Syndrome).

I have been shot several times for going back to spawn to rearm...

Once I got shot from some 30m distance. Reason: I was aiming at him. The enemy flag was behind him seen from my point of view. He thought I aimed at him. Never bothered to think that maybe if I was an enemy he should be dead, and I should not lie idle... Nope, shot, straight in the head...

People will normally NOT see you if you are prone by a bush! If they do see you, you normally dont see them, and then you are dead. That means you do not HAVE to shoot at everything.

I for one do not play like that. I wait and see. When they are within some 100-200m it is often easy to see if its an enemy.

Once I lay hidden in a bush while an enemy ran some 20m from me. I waited until he was past me. I shoot him in the back... Cause then he dont see where I am, and cant tell his friends...

This is NOT a movie. You do NOT grab two M60s under each arm, display your muscles and shoot at everything with a turban.

You lie in wait. You move. You hide. You prone. You target the enemy. You gently squeese the trigger...

[nordin dk 0]

It annoys me when map-designers put east weapons on west side and vice versa. It especially f*cks up the newbies, who will not bother to identify an oncoming chopper before shooting.

If you're in doubt, ask on sidechat, look at the character name, whatever....

I always make it clear to my team, if I'm in an enemy vehicle.

At least then they'll check if it's me before they shoot.

And ok, eveyone started out as a n00b, but not everyone starts out an idiot. If some n00b in the pool is constantly yelling "I WANNA PLAY, LET ME IN" when there is 20 minutes left of a game, that pisses me off...

If he puts himself in top spot on side selection  and doesn't

know to turn off AI, that pisses me off...

If he jerks around in friendly respawn with his newfound best friend, the M1A1, running over ammocrates and friendly units...that pisses me off....

If he screams "LET ME PILOT. I WANNA FLY THE CHOPPER", and then doesn't wait for the para's, takes off without a gunner, or chrashes into the ocean...that pisses me off....

If he plant's satchels around home flag, doesn't tell anyone, and then blow you up when you go home to rearm, THAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF!

If he TK's you when you are beinging enemy flag to own flag...THAT IS SO GODDAMN F*CKING ANNOYING.

I don't mind the occasional n00b-TK, if he apologises, and learns from his mistakes. What I can't stand, is CS-teenies

who think this is the same game. Maybe that's due to wrong marketing....

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Thats the problem. Some people shoot before identifying the targets.

I mostly play clan matches (~3 per week), and its not problem with that, because we are all using external voice comm. so we all know where we are. And noone just storms ahead of us, unless given order to do that.

[ALDEGA 0]

"They think that when ever a person's name tag is red, they're an enemy!!

When you're a russian, then all your friend's names are in RED.

When you're american, then all your friend's names are in GREEN."

ermm, isnt green always your side and red the enemy side?

[FetishFool 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALDEGA @ Jan. 20 2002,23:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"They think that when ever a person's name tag is red, they're an enemy!!

When you're a russian, then all your friend's names are in RED.

When you're american, then all your friend's names are in GREEN."

ermm, isnt green always your side and red the enemy side?<span id='postcolor'>

Red = Russian

Green = American

Everything that's said so far is what I exerience most of the time.

It's not a major problem around 2am. But around dinner time, and lunch time, newbies roar.

And I'm an ass a lot. People notice that. I like to jump into vehicles alone because I'm a lot better alone.

When someone jumps in with you, and has a higher ping, the netcode doesn't adjust. This means that you will jerk all over the place. - Unable to fire accuratly.

I say "GET OUT OF THE CHOPPER PLEASE" ; "Please get out of my tank"

The chopepr one is in capitals because it's harder to let someone out when I'm airborne. I don't want to eject someone 400m from the nearest vehicle or friend.

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dawdler @ Jan. 22 2002,03:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is a simple way to identify enemies:

WAIT! WATCH!

Many people go CS style, running, proning, shooting. They dont bother seeing if its a freind or not, they just assume its an enemy since he is coming from the front (CS-Level-Syndrome).

I have been shot several times for going back to spawn to rearm...

Once I got shot from some 30m distance. Reason: I was aiming at him. The enemy flag was behind him seen from my point of view. He thought I aimed at him. Never bothered to think that maybe if I was an enemy he should be dead, and I should not lie idle... Nope, shot, straight in the head...

People will normally NOT see you if you are prone by a bush! If they do see you, you normally dont see them, and then you are dead. That means you do not HAVE to shoot at everything.

I for one do not play like that. I wait and see. When they are within some 100-200m it is often easy to see if its an enemy.

Once I lay hidden in a bush while an enemy ran some 20m from me. I waited until he was past me. I shoot him in the back... Cause then he dont see where I am, and cant tell his friends...

This is NOT a movie. You do NOT grab two M60s under each arm, display your muscles and shoot at everything with a turban.

You lie in wait. You move. You hide. You prone. You target the enemy. You gently squeese the trigger...<span id='postcolor'>

that sounds like camping i dont camp and hate it when others do the time it would take to find a camper in a map the size of ofp would be ages exspecialy if there got a lame m21 of dragionve (mind the spelling) i stick to always moving using cover but never staying and when i see a unit on the hirzon bad condidtions with what looks like a enemy weapon i shoot and some times its a tk ive no more than 3 tks in one game.

[HellToupee 0]

and cs game play i dont play cs but have seen it a bit and heard it and all my friends do with this game is camp and some cheat its all camping and cheatin.

[nordin dk 0]

"Camping" is necessary when you are defending your base.

If some hilbilly comes wandering into enemy territory without worrying about defense, he's got it coming.

And 3 tk's in a game is too many.

Sory for stating the obvious, but if you do it - learn from your mistake and then don't do it again.

It's so annoying to be at the recieving end of a tk.

If you're in doubt, lay low and wait till you can see clearly.

[HellToupee 0]

3tks is my most rarly acheived and only score in clasoe quaters battles like cold day in hell against snipers who all look the same and fast foward round enemy base where no one kenew where every one was and i mean camping in general and i dont camp when defending i partrol.

[caz 0]

it might sound sad but i try to play this game like it was real life

i.e. not just running head on into enemy terrority but taking my time and scouting around and trying to live till the time runs out

as for campers/snipers not fussed about that, if thats how they want to play then fair play....but u will only kill me once.. i learn very quick

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (caz @ Jan. 22 2002,15:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it might sound sad but i try to play this game like it was real life

i.e. not just running head on into enemy terrority but taking my time and scouting around and trying to live till the time runs out<span id='postcolor'>

thats what most people do im just against camping like hiding in one spot for ages

[ALDEGA 0]

FetishFool, yesterday I was playing as Russian and my 'friends' were in green, and the enemy in red (green means ok, red means danger). I can give you a screenshot if necessary.

[FetishFool 0]

I think Green = Friend, and Red = Enemy only applies to vehicles.

But sure, post a screenie.

If a sniper is a problem, then get a LAW or RPG.

Well, that's what I do.

If someone calls out "SNIPER!", then I go grab a rocket launcher, and shoot where I think the sniper is. It always works.

There's nothing wrong with camping in OPF.

[nopulse 0]

I agree entirely with Dawdler and nordin dk. You should stop and check your targets before firing. Sometimes I might get killed because I hesitated, but at least I won't be accused of TK'ing because I took the time to check my target before engaging.

And this is where Caz's point comes in. I also try to play the game as if it was in Real Life. I mean in RL if you were in the army and part of a squad you wouldn't just go running out shooting at everything that moves. Like Dawdler stated "its not a movie" you just don't gear up and kill everything you see in sight. OPF is a simulation....key word simulation. The ppl that designed the game tried hard to make the Scenarios in the game as real as possible like in real life. If your too impatient to check your targets all the time and rather shoot everything up, I suggest playing RTCW or MOHAA or Quake, those would be more your type of games.

OPF is much, much more than just shooting everything. It takes skill, patients and team work to play.

[Frag Haus Capt Morgan 0]

Hey plain and simple ofp is tuff enough and you guys are right you should check fire before you shoot

But on the other hand fair is fair when in doubt light them up just make sure to say your sorry

I have tked a team mate a couple of times

ie in enemy vehicle 300 meters away running at me instead of the same direction

hey it happens

but yes most of the time I don't tk and yes you need to learn uniforms actually easiest way to tell is just look at there helmet they are whereing dead give away every time

as far as weapons look if I run out of ammo because I for some reason have lived long enough to go through three magazines guess what ak47 off a dead body yup it is mine

so weapons do not mean squat

just my two cents

[cactus 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">thats what most people do im just against camping like hiding in one spot for ages<span id='postcolor'>

But that's what snipers do, for example. Sometimes waiting for the target for days (or longer).

I don't think moving around is a selfgoal, if you're under attack why move around? Besides, a "camper" is putting himself in danger, maybe he'll kill the first one, but you can be sure that his hideout is known after that and if he stays... he's probably dead...

[nordin dk 0]

Of course, once you've shot someone you change position.

Unless you're being told to stay by your CO, if fortyfying a position for example.

What I object to is spawncamping, though.

That takes no skill, and adds nothing to the game, except higher fragcount for the sorry bastard who did it.

It will take the fun out of any DM of CTF in a matter of seconds.

[FetishFool 0]

Most maps have those SAFE ZONEs.

Well, most that I play on.

Safe Zones are great. But some maps have their spawn right next to the objective.

Like on Fast Forward. The East spawn is only about 200 meters away from the flag.

But the East spawn right next to an ammo crate with almost unlimited of every weapon.

Spawn camping is alright sometimes. You can't say that it's never alright.

Because it's like how soldiers run out of their barracks to go fight. You can aim at the door and kill anyone that tries to get out, in real life.

I don't support spawn camping, but I also don't go against it.

It just depends on the map.

[Dawdler 0]

CAN one really camp in OFP? (Im not talking spawncamping, thats a whole other thing)

Camping is by definition sitting and hiding somewhere safe and shooting people that walks into your field of view, right? Well in CS its easy, crouch by a wall and stare at a entry/door/street.

But camping in OFP? Is hiding below a bush, waiting for that expected enemy push down the road to come, camping? Isnt that what soldiers do? They dont run around forward and back across the road just to keep on moving... That will get you killed. Besides, how often are you not exposable from a 360 degrees angle, not counting aerial vehicles? In OFP you are always exposed, there is only a matter of being more or less visible...

So by definition, you CANT camp succesfully in OFP. (Well, you can, inside a house, but that would be boring and score 0 kills thus taking away the point of it)

All those saying I am "camping" below a bush, or "camping" besides a hill is simply not playing real OFP. Cause camping does not exist. If they say Im hiding in a strategical correct position they are absolutely right, but I am not camping. I never stay in the same spot after more than one kill (unless they are many in one spot so I can kill them all )

Besides, what idiot would really camp in OFP? Doing that will only get you killed. Sure they might get you once, maybe even twice, but if theyre still in the same spot its suicide.

As I said: Move. Prone. Hide. Target. Squeese trigger. Repeat in that order.

[Transfunsel 0]

there are also 'vets' that make mistakes in combat.

if somebody rushes in veteran mode at you carrying an ak (supposing youre playing west) while the bullets fly around you, i am pretty sure you would get him down.

and this is realistic too !

i dont own a ultra high perfomance machine, so i cannot immediately define if a soldier is friend or foe (say at about 100 m). the first things i look at is his weapon and his helmet.

i am not a newb !

there are some people who find it cool immediately getting a weapon of the opposite side because they find it better or whatever. no soldier would do this in reality, because he knows that when he fires an enemy weapon all his team mates would immediately investigate where that sound comes from.

[FetishFool 0]

Great point, Transfunsel.

If I hear an AK go off, while I'm on West, I immediatly give a waypoint to my squad to investigate.

Same with an M16, while I'm on East.

Exceptions go to the G36, though. Because both sides use it a lot.

I remember a CTF map where I stole a BMP Ambulance, and went back and forth from my spawn, to the enemy flag. I transported my West soldiers to their flag without any opposition.

I told everyone at the end of the game. And only one guy knew, but he didn't say anything