House Divided.

[eestikas88 0]

what can i say:

..........no i'm not going to say that.....

i'm going to say: looks good.

[Biv 0]

I was thinking of the 148th Pennsylvania Volunteers as a good regiment to add, they suffered the 14th highest percentage of losses out of the 2,047 regiments fighting for the Union. The regiment was also present at pretty much every major battle of the war, to name but a few: Chancellorsville, Gettysburg, Mine Run, Wilderness, Cold Harbour, Appomattox, Spotsylvania... the list runs on. At Spotsylvania, the 148th captured three battle flags, several cannons (which were considered to be very valuable targets), a Confederate general, a major and a large number of men. At Gettysburg, they were in the centre of the line at the infamous Wheatfield, where they lost a huge percentage of their regiment (I believe the Wheatfield appears in CWMOD; that is were they fought). The 148th also captured a Confederate battle flag at the battle of Petersburg, and a cannon also. Their colonel, James A Beaver, was injured FOUR times whilst leading the regiment in charges against the Confederates, his last injury the charge at Reams Station, where a shell landed between his legs as the regiment charged the Confederate defences. General John Gibbon, the creator of the infamous Iron Brigade (who also appear in CW mod)

told Colonel Beaver that he would 'rather command the 148th alone than the entire Iron Brigade'. Rather impressive sentiment I think. Anyways this post is getting rather long so here is a link to more info:http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/infantry/148th/148regiment.htm, I got some books about em here (Colonel Beaver is my ancestor lol) so if you are interested and want more info I can get more for you. I love the mod by the way, keep up the good work!

[gavinthecat 0]

Cool Biv got any more regiments to suggest, ill include that one anyway sounds fine but we need more lol Oh and post a pic! of their uniform etc

[gavinthecat 0]

Alright more pics of anims, sorry if this is a bit boring, but i think some of you are probably intrigued by anims, soon we'll have more unit pics (specially when i work on our fancy regiments etc)

See if ur playing a misison, having some fancy regiments to fight with or against can be great for character and depth etc so i look forward to making those.

First off here are 2 anims, 1 the pistol idle anim, the other the crouched aiming anim.

[Biv 0]

Sure man I'll get some pics posted as soon as I get my scanner working again, I got a few. But just to give you an idea, these guys were really well disciplined and they were famous for how well dressed they looked. By that I mean shiny gold buttons and polished black boots, nice clean uniforms etc lol. When they first mustered out they wore white parade gloves, which stayed with the regiment for a while until they all got lost in battle, you could include that if you wanted. Another aspect of their dress was the club like that found on a pack of cards, and most of the officers wore a badge of it on their lapels. The men also had gold epaulets on their shoulders and the club symbol would also appear on their slouch caps. A thin leather belt with a gold buckle/plate on it also would have been slung across their chests.

There is a good pic of one of the officers in the 148th, you can see what I meant about the epaulets and the badge... Also in terms of weapons the regiment had Springfields for the majority of the war BUT were one of the first regular units besides cavalry and sharpshooters to be issued with the Spencer repeating rifle. Anyway more pics will come soon, and I'm trying to get a good colourful regiment to suggest. Anyways, just give me a shout if you need anything else.

[gavinthecat 0]

NEWS FLASH

Alright, as you will remember, scripts were used for bayonets, which lead in turn to laaag... the enemy of all

Whilst we were working in cwmod improving units/lods etc, we always imagined how we could escape the use of scripts with bayonets.

The answer is actually quite simple, we have replaced the standard ofp grenade, with a short attack (animated bayonet thrust) that the AI is very prioritised into doing, at short range. Voila!

Hence no scripts, hence lag reduction of about 99% in the use of bayonets!

Hooray for dixie etc

----BIV

Ah okay thanx, well thats good, see im making the rest of the union guys more dirty now, so that combined with these shiny guys as a regiment will be quite novel and intesting.

Well sure thing I'll include that regiment, still tho chaps we need another 19 to finish the target, so lets get it started!

[harley 3 1185 0]

Point of interest, Biv; All officers wore those epaulettes on their shoulders, denoting their rank. The two (and a bit??) bars would seem to denote Captain on your shown example.

The rest seems interesting enough, though. White gloves into battle? Like you say, they all seem to get lost, which sounds about right.

As for the club, regimental or corps insignia. Many other units has them, e.g. 20th Maine wore the red Maltese Cross on their breast or hats...

[Biv 0]

Yes the club was divisional, the regiment was a member of the First Division, II Corps. I figured it would be a good idea to add that little detail lol, and yes that is a good point, the epaulets were an officer detail, starting with corporals up n anyway cheers for pointing that out you are the real historian anyway lol...

[gavinthecat 0]

Right okay, so when u get the chance lay it on like im a 5 year old what this regiment looks like, and get crackin boys on some more, particularly unsusual looking regiments as well,

[gavinthecat 0]

GREAT NEWS!

Thanx to coffee and chocolate, our mod is now SCRIPT FREE!

Thats right, everything is hardcoded as regards to bayonets and smoke effects.

This means that of the 6 or 7 old scripts used, (and normally routed to be used many times over than they should) we will instead have ZERO - none! Instead we have a mightily recoded config.bin and that strange grenade to bayonet system

(in case u want to throw dynamite well we're looking into that too)

The important thing is therefore LAG! Whooosh, now gone, this means these units will run far faster than any using the old scripts. Meaning basically as fast as vanilla bis units more or less.

TO BIZ---- HARLEY MEANWHILE

Yup well u lazy horse scum baby toe sucking aliens! Where's all my regiment suggestions!

You Biz, mentioned you could find more, well my lad now is the time go find me more, we have 7 Union regis to find, and 8 more confederates!

Harley my trusty historian get on the case!

[Biv 0]

Don't worry I haven't forgotten. I have quite a good regiment for you, the 39th New York, also known as the 'Garibaldi Gaurd'. This unit was made up almost entirely of foreigners from Europe, and had its companies divided by nationality. For example, there was one Italian company, one French company, three Hungarian, one Spanish and one Swiss company. The uniform is rather colorful, with all of the men reportedly wearing 'Bersaglieri' hats which were topped with iridiscent green feathers!! There is a lot of pictures of the uniform on this website: http://www.ecs.gannon.edu/~frezza/39NYSV/

Look at the small drawn picture on the right, and you will know what I mean. There is also a section about uniform, which has a few pictures and also a really in-depth description of exactly what they wore and the weapons they had.

From what I know, the Guards wore blue trousers with a red stripe down the side, and I believe this was for NCOs also. Dark blue coats with red piping were worn over a red shirt, so the red would appear around the collar. The hats, which is their most distinctive and famous feature, would have been a wide-brimmed hat in the sort of style as the Three Musketeers lol, with black trim, an eagle emblem on the front and a huge green plummage of feathers.

I think that is a good picture to work with, although I would make the hat a little more wide brimmed and floppy, with a larger amount of feathers. By the way, my screen name is Biv, not Biz, lol . I'll go and find you some more.

[Biv 0]

I have just had a REALLY good idea for another group of Union soldiers you could use. The first US Marines were used during the Civil War to act as personnel aboard war ships, such as the steamers which you have made. You could use these guys as a sort of naval infantry who come with the steamers, I think there is a lot of interesting mission potential there. Also, they have interesting uniforms and some pretty elaborate hats, so they would be set apart from the average Union soldier. Here is a photograph of a couple of these guys:

LOL I love the little pompoms on top of their heads... quite a far cry from nowadays US Marines! Anyway I hope these two suggestions will keep you busy, if you need any more specific detail or anything else then just gimme a shout and I'll get to it.

PS the guy on the far right is an officer...

[harley 3 1185 0]

Don't you mean the guy on the left is the officer? Oh well. I just found this on the web; it shows a large number of Corps badges from the Union Armies.

According to this (and I have no reason to doubt it as it appears to be based on a contemporary book) then the I48th Pennsylvania were members of the 3rd Division, 2nd Corps, of the Army of the Potomac

And to clarify.

So just scouring through the list of the 2047 Union regiments and finding where they served then affixing the appropriate Divisional Insignia would make for a varied enough uniform experience.

But I suppose that's what I'm being paid for...

[gavinthecat 0]

Yup good work, well definatly we want to capture the imagination of people downloading the pack with 2 basic classes of infantry, that which we can typify unfairly as, generic, (albeit there is an enormous variety of interesting so called generic units)

And another class of exotic infantry units, consisting of 'visually' striking regiments, that are elite or famous in some form.

So naturally the more standardised armies of the union will for example require more research, for i think we want to do more than have very similar guys with different regimental badges. Really we want different 'visual' looks so that those a little bereft of history, can recognise very clearly the difference in these regiments (and may then actually read the historical readme we shall include! That you will er be writing harvey *ahem* hehe

So when looking for regiments, look for ones like well for example zoauves and for example like those european volanteers (thats two Biz i shall include ur volanteers reg, the marines and the europeans)

THATS 3, STILL 17 TO GO!

I am working presently on recoding all the old pbos guns into a single pbo, this is no fun and easy task, but will allow us to design a far superior coding structure for our units and will make in all, our mod more efficient code wise.

This gives ample time for our researchers and others to make more regimental suggestions!

So keep it up and most importantly of all post pictures or even crude illustrations of their uniforms, as these are the references we will end up using.

[Biv 0]

The 148th were definitely not members of the 3rd Division. They fought with the First Division, II Corps throughout the war, starting with being mustered out and finishing with the victory parade up Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC on the 23rd of May at the end of the war. In your post you wrote 'I48th'. I am talking about the '148th'. Also, throughout the source I am using, the 1200 page tome named 'A History of the 148th Pennsylvania Volunteers' (volume six of the 'Army of the Potomac Series' ), there are many descriptions of conversations and orders from generals Hancock, Caldwell and Couch, who were the commanding generals of the First Division, II Corps of the Army of Potomac respectively. There are also many descriptions of the 148th being in engagements whilst supporting or being supported by other regiments of the First Division, II Corps, namely the 5th New Hampshire, the 7th and 81st New York regiments and the 81st Pennsylvania. These facts seem to say to me that the 148th Pennsylvania Volunteers were indeed members of the First Division, II Corps, unless of course the author, Adjutant JW Muffly of the 148th (a primary source) was lying lol!!!!

Anyways no insult or anger intended Harley, but I just wanted to prove to you that my facts are indeed correct. The regiment I am talking about is the 148th Pennsylvania, not the 'I48th', so maybe you just made a mistake in the reading of which regiment I was talking about.

But enough of this nitpicking, lets get down to business and find some more regiments!

[eestikas88 0]

first marines,nice,i wonder what training did they have.

[Biv 0]

Got another regiment; the 20th New York Volunteers, or the 'United Turner Rifles'. This unit was composed mostly of members of an organisation known as the 'Turners', a fraternal group whose ideals of patriotism and nationalism were obtained through physical training and gymnastics... Basically these Turners formed semi-military marksmanship groups which had been in existence before the war. When war broke out, the strongly anti-slavery Turners formed their own regiment, the 20th New York. Because of the marksmanship clubs that these men had belonged to, they had rather good aim and so were made into a rifle regiment, and filled a role as sharpshooters in the 3rd Brigade, Second Division. They had a uniform which was different from the standard Union fare, and is described as follows:

'The uniform adopted by the 20th was distinctive but not exceptionally so, despite what some modern authors have written. Their basic dress was a dark blue uniform (frock) coat styled like the regulation federal coat but with the addition of buttoned shoulder straps. Contemporary accounts indicate that the trim on these coats, at least originally, was red. An examination of photographs reveals a very Germanic element to this coat: a marksman's lanyard draped from the left shoulder and hooked to a coat button. Although the regiment originally was described as wearing fatigue caps, at some point the 20th was issued Hardee hats, the standard 1858 uniform hat of the regular army, but trimmed with a Rifles-style trumpet rather than the light infantry bugle or hunting horn insignia.'

Here is a picture:

Ignore the guy on the left, the guy on the right is in the Turner Rifles. The regiments emblem was an owl, due to the Greek god Athena (the goddess of wisdom) who shared this as her symbol.I believe, but am not sure, that it is an owl badge which is pictured pinning up the riflemans hat. A 'green sprig' was also worn on the side of the hat, although in this picture it is shown looking more like a black feather, so if you decide to use these guys remember that. Oh and in terms of weapons, they were issued Remington rifles... if you haven't made any of these for the mod then I am sure you could get away with using some other form of rifle, I'm sure you have plenty to choose from. But yeah, this is a sharpshooter regiment, so when making the unit you could make them dirty from all the crawling around in bushes and fields lol, I dunno well I'll go off and find some more regiments for you.

Biv

[gavinthecat 0]

Excellent work boys! Good work in particular BIZ, thats excellent, well yep that sounds like a great regiment, i will include those as well, I will also include the IRISH Brigade as well, that fought famously at Fredericksburg,

I will include some units incidentally with winter frock coats too I think

Thats great tho BIZ, that 5 we have, only 15 to go! I'd suggest you all get to work, as its a great chance for you to get your own fav regiment included in game!

[Biv 0]

Hey, got an interesting regiment for you. The 1st South Carolina Colored Volunteers were an all black unit who were mustered in 1862. The unit was mostly engaged in raiding parties up and down the Florida/Georgia coast, during which large quantities of goods were captured, and also a large number of slaves freed from plantations and other establishments. 94 of the freed slaves joined the regiment after being freed. The officers in charge (who were white-if you were to use this unit, any officers made would be white if historically accurate) praised the fighting ability and discipline under fire, saying: "The colored men fought with astonishing coolness and bravery. For alacrity in effecting landing, for determination, and for bush fighting, I found them all I could desire - more than I had hoped. They behaved bravely, gloriously, and deserve all praise." There are many descriptions of men of the 1st SC carrying on fighting even though being afflicted by several wounds, and others of men not even speaking of their wounds until ordered to by their commanding officer. The regiment was also part of an assault on Battery Gregg in Charleston, where they captured the fort.

Uniform wise, they wore red trousers, which they were well known for. Besides the red sash worn by the NCO in this picture (which was probably not worn on the battlefield) the uniform was relatively similiar to other Union regiments from the waist up. I am unsure as to what weaponry they were supplied with, but I would assume it would probably be Springfields.

This unit would be more difficult to do, as you would have to make sure that all of the men were black (I'm not sure how you would do it but I assume it would be difficult). I'll try and bang out another regiment today, hopefully a few more. Gimme a shout if you need any any more information for any of the regiments.

[gavinthecat 0]

Cool BIZ we'll include those, 14 TO GO

Btw chaps, what's a good name for these US Army Model (see year) musket,

Are these all variants of Springfield?

1816

1842

1855

1861 Springfield Musket

[eestikas88 0]

Give them names such as Eleanor,Mary or something like that

[gavinthecat 0]

lol hey ees why dont u go find me another regiment u ferret watching fiend that u are!

[eestikas88 0]

ok

found this http://www2.netdoor.com/~jgh/

The first black soldiers in the Union Army during the Civil War.

The Louisiana Native Guards

Includes some regiments.

also found this http://home.mindspring.com/~mtmitchell/

155th Regiment,Ohio Voulenteer Infantry

[gavinthecat 0]

Wellllll okay dokey I'll check these out too

Righty well just a wee report on progress of the mod! First of all things are going absolutely great, we have in the team enough to complete the first phase in as much, that we have the members with the skill required to see it through!

To make a mod self sufficient is a big aim, and we've achieved that however, we are also recieving help from some mods (and not from others) most notably the big mods that we go rattling our paper cup too lol.

Anyway! Here is a current weapon List of things so far (we took all the old pbos that were disparate and recoded it into 1 single weapon pbo)

ALL 4x of the US ARMY MODEL MUSKET ARE INCLUDED

1816

1842

1855

1861

The Lorenz,

the Enfield,

Enfield Musketoon,

WhitField,

Sharps Berdan Rifle

Sharps Carbine

Spencer Repeating Rifle

Spencer Repeating Carbine

Shotgun

Henry Rifle

Winchester

Remgington Pistol

Colt

Le-Mat

Flintlock Pistol

Derringer

So um, theres a few more too, but basically there will be approximately 35 firearms, all nicely detailed but using a special system of encoding and texturing (nothing special to mod makers just common sense however) that means resources will be shared between the models, so for all the depth and variety, there will be no compromise in performance.

Of the other firearms to be included, are a hose of other carbines and muskets.

[neonblack 0]

Since you're taking requests for units, I'd like to suggest a little known Virginia Infantry Unit (in which some family members of mine served).

Co. F, 4th VA Inf., Grayson Dare Devils which was from what I heard (from another family member) to be a milita unit that fought with the Army Of Northen Virginia. So I guess some troops with with a mix of torn and worn,dirty, and standard Confederate Uniforms would work. But make sure most of the uniforms for all troops (regardless of unit) are kinda dirty and dusty looking.

Heres a link you might be able to use BTW.

And uh, I know you might be trying to keep this realisitic, but for fun do you think you could include some Confederate Troops with AKs? (Kinda make it like "Guns of the South" ya know.)