The Middle East part 2

[Bernadotte 0]

thats the point, they are settlers it is so they could protect themselvs from terrorist that are attacking the settelments.

Perhaps we should review our little discussion...

mp_phonix:  IDF posted the video from the Airborne SF in Baal-Beek, in the video u can see the terrorist shooting on the forces throught the UAV infra-red Cams, u can see the muzzle flashes

Bernadotte:  If a foreign military landed in the middle of Israel and started attacking a hospital would you call the Israeli citizens who shoot at them terrorists??

mp_phonix:  if u are a civillians, whay the fuck do u have an AK47 ?

Bernadotte:  For the same reason that these Israeli civilian [settlers] are carrying assault rifles.  ...Or are you going to call them terrorists too?

mp_phonix:  thats the point, they are settlers it is so they could protect themselvs from terrorist that are attacking the settelments.

So, let me see if I understand you.  An Israeli civilian defending himself with an assault rifle in Palestinian territory is called a settler.  However, a Lebanese civilian defending himself with an AK47 in Lebanon is a terrorist.

Are you on drugs?  The only other conclusion I can draw is that you are a hypocritical anti-Arab racist.  Please explain if you can.

[Garcia 0]

Quote[/b] ]wait . .you actually think that the ambulance wasn't really UN's ? come on, I can understand if you think the jeep was painted or something . .but ambulance ? it even had a flag on him !

the one is being naive is you !

I don't claim the ambulance wasn't UN, I claim that either the ambulance was stolen, painted to look like a UN ambulance or a UN ambulance on a legit "mission", like helping a wouned Hizbollah fighter. And also, I also meant that, if the ambulance was stolen/repainted, it was not operated by UN personel. If you can prove that it was not stolen/repainted, operated by UN personel, and wasn't doing something legit, then I'll praise your reaserch. Until then, I will presume what I've stated. And until you can prove it with solid evidence, you are the one being naive, to draw such conclusions without any proof.

Quote[/b] ]Excuse me, but if the civilians are allowing Hizballah to shoot rockets from their home, fuck those civillians, they are not civillians to me.

As already said, it's quite likely the civilians had no choise but to let Hizbollah fire from their yard. You can say they should have put up a fight, but you can't blame them for not doing it...

Quote[/b] ]if u are a civillians, whay the fuck do u have an AK47 ?

Christ...I bet quite many of the americans in this forum is terrorists then? Any of you terrorist americans want to tell us about it?

Quote[/b] ]also the village aws almost deserted and was full of Hizballah, if there wern't terrorist so why would we bother to risk 2 CH-53 helicopters and 40 SF operators ?

Have it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, there was still some civilians left, and that they may have lost many of their relatives, and that they therefor was pissed off at Israel. And possibly they therefor decided to defend themself against a invasion?

Quote[/b] ]thats the point, they are settlers it is so they could protect themselvs from terrorist that are attacking the settelments.

Tell me this, if 1000 palestinians set up a settlement in the heart of Israel and armed themself to the teeth, would IDF be terrorists for attacking that settlement? When you settle in a foreign country without that countrys blessing, and arm yourself, you can't really call the ones who attack you terrorsits...though you seem to call everyone who fire upon Israeli citizens terrorsits, no matter what the situation is like.

[Bernadotte 0]

Israelis are not alloud to carry Assualt Rifels & SMG, or having them at home. Only soldiers are allowed to do it or Settlers [for settlers -> inside the A terretories].

For the sake of anyone who might not know, Area A is the yellow part of the West Bank that is supposed to be under "full Palestinian control."  It is within this area that Israeli settlers are allowed to roam around with assault rifles, according to mp_phonix.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

A lebanese friend of mine, who I went to university with in Lausanne works in Beirut for a hospitality company. I emailed him since I heard he replied to a friend a few days ago. If he replies to me and tells me how life is going I will post the mail here.

[deanosbeano 0]

ok, here you go:

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In my opnion - burn Gaza, Artilary them to death, bomb them, screw them, the go to Lebanon and bomb the whole southern sector.

WTF guys you keep it in a readme on your desktop ?

I allready explain i wrote that 2 minuts after I heared about the kidnhapping in Lebanon.

Ti0n3r, what the diffrence ?

that I said I want to bomb Gaza & south lebanon because they are full with terrorist, not because they are full with phalastinian/arabs/Lebanonis.

If you can't see the difference here, That I can't say anymore to you . . .

@scary - just so you know, I don't give a fuck that they kill settlers, because they have nothing to look there. I give a fuck when they go blow up people in coffes, buses, and nightclubs.

"so israeli citizens are armed" - yes, like 1 out of every 100, if not 1 out of any 1000

Quote[/b] ]yes and now we gonna bomb the shit out of them, the world will cry "hooooo Israel are civillian killers" and whole cycle starts again. nothing new.

In my opnion - burn Gaza, Artilary them to death, bomb them, screw them, the go to Lebanon and bomb the whole southern sector.

some of you say if you kill civillians more terrorist will rise. WTF ?

WE retreated from Lebanon in 2000, from Gaza in 2005,l and they pull this off. So what ? fuck em, lets just burn them now and be done with it. Israel takes notice of what the world say to much.

sounded to me like you just wanted to burn them all.

BTW theres nothing wrong with patriotism, its just your hypocrisy thats a little wrong .stick to your guns (sorry about the pun).

edit no i dont have read me just keep looking back at page 202 here

[Nemesis6 0]

Settlers carrying weapons is not the same as the death cult practice of walking around with weapons you got from terrorists. This moral equivalence makes sense only to those dumb enough to say that the Israelis and Palestinians are just as bad as each other. The Israelis who get weapons get them for a reason. As any weapon, they can be abused, but they recieve them to defend themselves, unlike the Palestinians who get them to kill yahudi or Amrikaan when they see them.

[mp_phonix 0]

Israelis are not alloud to carry Assualt Rifels & SMG, or having them at home. Only soldiers are allowed to do it or Settlers [for settlers -> inside the A terretories].

For the sake of anyone who might not know, Area A is the yellow part of the West Bank that is supposed to be under "full Palestinian control."  It is within this area that Israeli settlers are allowed to roam around with assault rifles, according to mp_phonix.

I got confused. I mean area B [and probably C]

deansbeno, cehckd the quote about this part:

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yes and now we gonna bomb the shit out of them, the world will cry "hooooo Israel are civillian killers" and whole cycle starts again. nothing new

just as I predicted. and why u say i'm a hypocrit ?

alber - you do that, post the mail.

[Bernadotte 0]

Settlers carrying weapons is not the same as the death cult practice of walking around with weapons you got from terrorists. This moral equivalence...

Who said anything about moral equivalence?

There is nothing morally similar between an armed Lebanese civilian in Lebanon and an armed Israeli civilian in a part of the West Bank that is supposed to be under full Palestinian military control.

Are you on drugs?  The only other conclusion I can draw is that you are a hypocritical anti-Arab racist.

... why u say i'm a hypocrit ?

Sorry, you're quite right.  I apologise.  Your comments aren't actually hypocritical if you are an anti-Arab racist.  

[scary 0]

just so you know, I don't give a fuck that they kill settlers, because they have nothing to look there. I give a fuck when they go blow up people in coffes, buses, and nightclubs.

There may just possibly be some progress here.

Settlers being killed isn't a good thing and you are allowed to care if you wish. However, as long as there are settlers there will be terrorism directed against Israel, no amount of death and destruction that the IDF can rain down will change that.

The reason that they blow up people in coffee shops, buses and nightclubs is because that is something you - and the rest of israel - do care about: it gets your attention. The IRA had the same motives when they turned their attention away from attacks in Northern Ireland to attacks on the mainland.

The only way to stop the attacks and for Israel to gain some acceptance in the Middle East is to pull the settlers out and to start some dialogue with your neighbours. Throwing the full weight of the IDF at every little irritant is bloody and pointless, and does nothing for Israel.

I honestly do not think that your attitude is your own fault, I blame the Israeli schools, and to some extent Israeli society. I've seen lessons taught in Israeli schools and they are just so maudlin, obsessing with the Holocaust and terrorism. Yom Hazikaron and Yom Hashoah Vehagevurah do the same.

Israelis spend their whole lives being told they're victims so it stands to reason that is what they will think. You will only stop being a victim when you stop thinking of yourself as one. Learn about the Holocaust but don't dwell on it and instead of those depressing public holidays - they're almost all about death - have a simple Parade and 2 minute silence once a year for remembrance of all war and terror dead and have some more positive days instead.

[mp_phonix 0]

Whats wrong for a memorial day for soldiers fell to defend my country ?

[mattxr 9]

For one to defend there country doesnt mean they have to wipe someone elses country from the map.

[mp_phonix 0]

For one to defend there country doesnt mean they have to wipe someone elses country from the map.

what that's got to do with all the 20,000+ soldiers who died ? all of them died by wiping out countrys ?

[Bernadotte 0]

Israelis spend their whole lives being told they're victims so it stands to reason that is what they will think. You will only stop being a victim when you stop thinking of yourself as one.

It probably doesn't help either that the IDF uses the site of Masada for swearing-in ceremonies.

Masada is an ancient fortress where 1000 Jews held out against the Romans until 73 AD when they all committed suicide rather than face capture.  Why did they kill themselves (actually each other because Judaism forbids suicide)?  When the Romans held Masada a few years earlier, the Jews had persuaded them to disarm and then proceeded to slaughter them all after they had agreed to surrender.  So, the Jews had no reason to expect any mercy.

What other military in the world glorifies an ancient mass suicide precipitated by a notorious act of dishonour?  

[SPQR 0]

Masada, the forteress of Freedom where died the Zelots and the Sicarii, who used to kill and terrorize Romans and "Jews opposed to their call for war against Rome".

By Jupiter, the far-rightists were already "disturbing" the weak-minded leftists

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

What other military in the world glorifies an ancient mass suicide precipitated by a notorious act of dishonour?

The same kind of army that uses precision-guided weaponry on U.N. installations, and also targeting civilians, and then blatantly lies that it simply didn't know, or dishes out sorry-assed excuses like things like that being mere "accidents"...

[mp_phonix 0]

Bernadotte, got a freaking problem with my country's treditions and ceramonys ?

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What other military in the world glorifies an ancient mass suicide precipitated by a notorious act of dishonour?

And I don't think my army has to answer to you, Brigadier General Bernadotte.

[Messiah 2]

*remove*

[booradley60 0]

I think the solution begins when both sides stop indoctrinating their children with traditional hate and mistrust for the other side.  Maybe then the two sides can acknowledge each other's right to exist.  Until people are convinced that the other side has a right to life the killing will not stop.

EDIT: A lot of it felt good to write but was not well thought out.

[Daniel 0]

No one else think Dilbert might have had a point?

[dmakatra 1]

Bernadotte, got a freaking problem with my country's treditions and ceramonys ?

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What other military in the world glorifies an ancient mass suicide precipitated by a notorious act of dishonour?

And I don't think my army has to answer to you, Brigadier General Bernadotte.

That's not an appropiate answer in a political debate. At least not in my book.

[*Pete* 0]

Latest news....

Israelis bombed a parkinglot and killed 25+ farmers who were loading vegetables and fruits into their trucks.

i'm waiting with exitment to hear what kind of reason/excuse the IDF had for this..

1: rockets were launched from that location.

2: they (IDF) expected the parkinglot to be empty.

3: Hezbollah was using the parkinglot.

4: Hezbollah MIGHT use the parkinglot.

is Comical Ali (Saddams Ali) working for Israel now?

seriously, how can these things happen??

[deanosbeano 0]

Blessed are the cheesemakers but not the fruit pickers.

more indepth news about that bombing

guardian online, not my faveorite source.

[Guest Ti0n3r]

Quote[/b] ]Israelis bombed a parkinglot and killed 25+ farmers who were loading vegetables and fruits into their trucks.

The vegetables contained anthrax

...No, but seriously. Are they intentionaly bombing civilians? I think so...

[dmakatra 1]

A parking lot? What are they going to do? Steal Israeli cars and park them in Lebanon?

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

The israelis probably didn't want any protesters armed with fruit to pummel them...