billybob2002 0 Posted October 7, 2004 Quote[/b] ] Back up your claims. Otherwise don´t make such claims. Feck. It is in Iraq thread 3!! Too many damn pages but it is in there. Looks like I have to use Denior's finder when I get home...    Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted October 7, 2004 ...something Bernadotte post is bias... What the fuck are you referring to now? Â I've only quoted the exact words of the Sharon's Senior Aid as reported in Israel's Ha'aretz. Â How can exact quotes without editorial be considered bias? If you are referring to the headlines I listed then you know very well that I was not making use of the content, bias or not. Â It was to show how the various media were presenting the story. Â I made that very clear and you know it. Believe it or not you little creep, I've been pulling my punches with you. Â But if you really want to lower yourself to making such yellow accusations about me in a post that you didn't have the guts to direct towards me then the gloves can come off right now. Â I suspect a lot of forum members don't believe that you can possibly look any more idiotic than you already do. Â I'll be happy to prove them wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted October 7, 2004 BOY!!! Where is this ratification of both houses of Congress line? Fifth paragraph of the Ha'aretz article where the interview is being published. Â I posted the link when I first quoted it so, in the future, please look more closely instead of wasting my time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted October 7, 2004 Quote[/b] ]Fifth paragraph of the Ha'aretz article where the interview is being published. Â I posted the link when I first quoted it so, in the future, please look more closely instead of wasting my time. Next time take the link out the quote, BOY!!!!! Also, reuters did not put that in there story... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted October 7, 2004 Quote[/b] ]What the fuck are you referring to now? I've only quoted the exact words of the Sharon's Senior Aid as reported in Israel's Ha'aretz. How can exact quotes without editorial be considered bias? Was talking about the Al-J. link, BOY!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted October 7, 2004 Next time take the link out the quote, BOY!!!!! No. And I'm not going to start using pre-school vocabulary just for you either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted October 7, 2004 Quote[/b] ]No. And I'm not going to start using pre-school vocabulary just for you either. You the one calling me a racist, BOY!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted October 7, 2004 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...._usa_dc Quote[/b] ] Wants Israel to Explain Comment on Peace Process44 minutes ago  World - Reuters WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States wants Israel to further explain an Israeli official's statement that Israel aims to freeze the peace process and effectively deny the Palestinians a state, a U.S. official said on Thursday. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites)'s chief of staff Dov Weisglass told Haaretz newspaper that Sharon's plan to withdraw from all Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) and four on the West Bank aimed to rule out a Palestinian state indefinitely. Sharon, wary of alienating Israel's key ally, on Wednesday said he still supported the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan which Weisglass effectively dismissed but his assurances do not appear to have satisfied Washington. "They've got to explain Weisglass," said a senior State Department official who spoke to reporters on condition that he not be identified. "We think it still bears some explanation ... That's a job that they need to do." The official's comments reflected rare criticism of Israel by the Bush administration, which generally supports the Sharon government and its military operations against Palestinians, which Israel says aim to stop Palestinian suicide attacks. Weisglass's message, coinciding with a big Israeli offensive in Gaza, could help Sharon win over far-right foes who oppose his plan to abandon some Jewish settlements and who may challenge his grip on power. "The significance of our disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process. It supplies the formaldehyde necessary so there is no political process with Palestinians," Weisglass told Haaretz in comments published on Wednesday. "When you freeze the process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state ... Effectively, this whole package called a Palestinian state, with all it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda," he added. The United States has sought to cast Sharon's unilateral "disengagement" plan as workable within the U.S.-backed "road map," whose key elements included Palestinian efforts to stop attacks on Israel, a freeze on Israeli settlement activity and the target of creating a Palestinian state by next year. The Quartet of the United States, United Nations (news - web sites), European Union (news - web sites) and Russia, which drafted the peace plan, on Sept. 22 bluntly acknowledged that "no significant progress has been achieved on the road map." Listen here BOY, something fishy is going on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted October 7, 2004 You the one calling me a racist, BOY!!!!! Not just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted October 7, 2004 Quote[/b] ]Not just me. If Denior calls me a racist, again, action will be taken... Edit: Taco Bell time!!!!!!!!@!!!!!!!! Edit: FECK FECK FECK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frisbee 0 Posted October 7, 2004 You the one calling me a racist, BOY!!!!! If this isn't bordering on flat out trolling, I don't know what is. :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blake 0 Posted October 7, 2004 Quote[/b] ]Blast at hotel in Red Sea resortIt is still unclear what caused the blast An explosion at a hotel on the border between Egypt and Israel has caused a number of casualties. The explosion took place at the Hilton hotel in the Egyptian town of Taba, just across the border from the Israeli Red Sea resort of Eilat. Egyptian police are quoted as saying that 23 Israelis have been killed. Israeli army radio reports the blast was probably caused by a car bomb, but there has been no confirmation and a gas explosion is also suspected. Shortly after news of the Taba explosion came in there were reports of two other blasts nearby. Details are still coming in on those. Taba is the main crossing point between Israel and Egypt, and a major gateway for thousands of Israelis going on holiday to resorts and hotels on the Red Sea. Many holidaymakers would have been celebrating the last day of a Jewish holiday, Sukkot. Last month, the Israeli government urged its citizens not to visit Egypt, saying there had been a firm threat to tourists there. A large number of people were being evacuated to a hospital in Eilat, Israel radio stations said. "There are dozens of people on the floor, lots of blood, it is very tense," one witness Yigal Vakni told Israel's Army Radio. "I was in the casino when it happened. There was a massive explosion and the left wall came down. "People started to run around like crazy." Sad, since Eilat and the Gulf of Akaba area have been such a peaceful areas for long time. Been there twice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted October 8, 2004 Quote[/b] ]If this isn't bordering on flat out trolling, I don't know what is. :/ How is that trolling? He called me racist and so I put on the racist hat... Edit: Feck, I'm too lazy to look for that Israel story in Iraq thread 3 but it is in there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinRaiden 0 Posted October 8, 2004 Bah, nothing new. Last time I got called a racist here by the usual parties I took it straight to the mod's who only recommended that I use this smilie as my comment was only a retorical jab that was severely misconstrued. Anyway, that Taba/Eliat border is a pain to navigate. Distance wise the two are close, but it's a narrow little road and is bound to be totally jammed with traffic. It's almost like a dead-end ally trying to get in and out of the Israeli side of the border. The Egyptian side has a bit more room, but I imagine it's standing room only right now, which is a security liabilty in and of itself. The Rafa crossing near Gaza has plenty of elbow room, but Taba is shoehorned into the side of the cliff. When I went to Sinai in March of 2000 the Egyptian government provided my group of ~180 with three toyota 'technical' trucks of soldiers as an escort, to try to rebuild their tourist friendly image after the massacure at Queen Hapshepsut's tomb previous. We actually stayed a ways down the road in Nuweiba at the Bel Mar, past a bunch of places called 'bed-o-inns'. After observing and dealing with all the precautions that go into security on the Israeli side of the border, like monitored fences and patrols and armed security, it was quite different, and a bit unsettling wandering around the lax resort complex. Considering that we were being escorted by 2 1/2 truckloads of AK's and I think one or two PK's, as well as a handful of guys with bulging suitcoats who were there for obvious reasons, it's enough to make you question your sanity, unless you have discounted it already. The fact that the Egyptians are allowing the Israeli's to take over the situation is a good sign, if at least in the cooperation sense. For all their faults, Mumbarak's administration has faced the music that as they have little oil, if they lose tourists there won't be bread on the table, so they have been trying to play ball. Just don't drink the water, ever. Trust me, you will regret that for a long time. -- edit -- Reports indicate that a second attack happened at the same time just outside of Nuwieba, casulaties much less due to the dispersed nature of the bungalows at that resort in Ras-al-satan. Quote[/b] ]Israel Radio reported Egyptian soldiers began shooting in the air to stop the pushing and shoving. Somehow I don't think that is going to help the situation. Reports claim that the Egyptians have already arrested three suspects. I expect that it's not going to take long before another wave of crackdowns comes from Cairo. On the other hand, the egyptian army has checkpoints all over the sinai. Unless the guys happen to locals, they won't get far without a sizable baksheesh, and the bedouins aren't itching for a fight either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted October 8, 2004 When I went to Sinai in March of 2000 the Egyptian government provided my group of ~180 with three toyota 'technical' trucks of soldiers as an escort... What was the purpose of your group's visit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinRaiden 0 Posted October 8, 2004 Uni student travel study abroad. We were in Israel, Jordan, and Egypt for four months. Pope John Paul II stayed next door, about 20~30m from my dorm room, so the IDF commandeered our facility, moved in hundreds of troops, put snipers on all our balconies, etc. Went off to town one day during that and some numbskull kicked what she thought was a rock and turned out to be a live .223 round. "Ooo, looky what I found, I'm going to look at it real close then put it in my purse and forget about it." Climbed Sinai at 1~2am, then helped rescue a guy from Cairo Uni who stepped off the backside into the abyss. Our school had a 'special' understanding with Jordan to travel without having our passports stamped, so we could get back into Israel across the Allenby. We had a guy in our group who looked just like King Abdullah of Jordan and who could really ham it up, and the Hard Rock cafe in Amman just about flipped when we brought that guy in. Flying between Cairo and Luxor and back the airport security was a joke. My bags made all sorts of beeping noises going through security, but as long as they only peeked in the top (and didn't dig to the bottom) that seemed to be good enough for them. That and a whole pile of other crazy stuff. I'd go back right now if I had the money. It's a wonderful place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acecombat 0 Posted October 8, 2004 Quote[/b] ]We had a guy in our group who looked just like King Abdullah of Jordan Was he equally short in height too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted October 11, 2004 I've just found a good example of the news media badly distorting the truth. The Israeli military launched its current raid into the Gaza strip 13 days ago and one day before rockets from Palestinian militants killed two kids in Israel: Quote[/b] ]A Palestinian rocket slammed into a street in this southern Israeli town Wednesday, killing two preschool children.. <span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>The rocket attack came in defiance of a major Israeli raid into the nearby Gaza Strip</span>.. -- Associated Press However, today's news is reporting that the latest Israeli raid began after that lethal rocket attack: Quote[/b] ]Israel has killed 92 Palestinians since sending tanks into the northern Gaza Strip, including Jabalya, a militant stronghold and home to 100,000 refugees, <span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>after</span> a Hamas rocket attack killed two toddlers in southern Israel.-- Reuters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted October 11, 2004 I've just found a good example of the news media badly distorting the truth. I've just found another example of Benadotte distoring the truth. There have been all sorts of "minor" incursions into Gaza in the last months, some of them in response to numerous rocket and mortar attacks, which for some peculiar reason, has never interested you until now. Same here. A small incursion was made prior to the major operation, nicknamed "Days of Atonement", which indeed began after the 2 children in Sderot were killed. You also forgot to mention the murder of Tif'eret Tratner, killed by Pal terrorist mortar fire in her home, on Tuesday, Sep. 28. And as you can read, Israel Defense Minister Mofaz already threatended serious consequences in response to all the prior rocket and mortar attacks that Israel has been dealing with for a long time. Keep trying. Surely you've got more venom where that came from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted October 11, 2004 There have been all sorts of "minor" incursions into Gaza in the last months How can you say that what the Associated Press called a "major Israeli raid" killing 4 and wounding 46 in a single day was actually only a "minor incursion." Â Care to post a link describing that activity as minor and not at all part of Op Days of Atonement? Quote[/b] ]You also forgot to mention the murder of Tif'eret Tratner, killed by Pal terrorist mortar fire in her home, on Tuesday, Sep. 28. Wow!! Â That must have been some <s>rocket</s> mortar round!!! How do you supose it travelled all the way from Northern Gaza, where Op Days of Atonement is being undertaken, to Southern Gaza, where the woman was killed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybob2002 0 Posted October 11, 2004 *Enters thread and looks around* WoW!!!! Da Lady and The BOY( ) are going at it... Anyway, Bern. did you notice this in your link? Quote[/b] ]The homemade Qassam rocket was the 30th to hit Israeli communities in the past month and the 14th to hit Sderot, according to the Israeli army. Enough justification before the children were killed to go in, no? *Exits the thread* So it goes, Billybob2002 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted October 11, 2004 There have been all sorts of "minor" incursions into Gaza in the last months How can you say that what the Associated Press called a "major Israeli raid" killing 4 and wounding 46 in a single day was actually only a "minor incursion."  Care to post a link describing that activity as minor and not at all part of Op Days of Atonement? I really couldn't care less about AP's poetic license. If the first one is "major", they should have called the second one "super duper". This is becoming silly. Here's a timeline of events: Quote[/b] ]3 October 2004  Attacks Continue in Gaza  3 October 2004  Sharon: Troops will Remain in N. Gaza as Long as Necessary  3 October 2004  IDF Kills Two Hamas Terrorist in Gaza City  2 October 2004  Hamas Terrorists Eliminated in Gaza Aerial Surgical Strike  1 October 2004  Gaza Cut into Sections 30 September 2004  Large Bomb Neutralized in Southern Gaza  29 September 2004  IDF Forces Exit Northern Gaza  29 September 2004  IDF Troops in Position in Northern Gaza  28 September 2004  IDF Appears to be Preparing for Major Gaza Incursion 27 September 2004  Tank Movements Reported in Northern Gaza 27 September 2004  Journalists Banned from Gaza  27 September 2004  Israeli/CNN Employee Abducted by Gazan Terrorists  27 September 2004  Mortar Shells Land in Southern Gaza  26 September 2004  PA: Helicopter Fires Missiles in S. Gaza  26 September 2004  Kassam Rocket Attacks Directed against Gaza Communities  25 September 2004  No Injuries in Yom Kippur Attacks in Gaza  23 September 2004  Three Killed In Southern Gaza Terrorist Infiltration  23 September 2004  4 Israelis Wounded by Terrorist Gunfire in Southern Gaza  23 September 2004  Terrorists Killed in Southern Gaza  23 September 2004  Terrorists Fire at IDF Position in Southern Gaza  22 September 2004  Gunfire at IDF in Southern Gaza  22 September 2004  Mortar Shell Fired at Northern Gaza Town  21 September 2004  Bomb Neutralized in Southern Gaza Quote[/b] ]Quote[/b] ]You also forgot to mention the murder of Tif'eret Tratner, killed by Pal terrorist mortar fire in her home, on Tuesday, Sep. 28. Wow!!  That must have been some <s>rocket</s> mortar round!!! How do you supose it travelled all the way from Northern Gaza, where Op Days of Atonement is being undertaken, to Southern Gaza, where the woman was killed? That wasn't the point. Attacks have been coming out of all points of Gaza - south, central and north. Gee, it makes gaza sound like it's the size of California. Indeed, the IDF has been relatively lax with dealing with mortar and rocket attacks to the south. CORRECTION: It's called Operation Days Of Penitence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinRaiden 0 Posted October 11, 2004 Ah, it's just the old human weakness of not wanting to admit that the authorities are scamming him ignorantly or with intent. The facts that there are two kinds of minor raids, 1) retaliation raids, where after a mortar is fired and and people start dieing, Israel moves in to neutralize the mortar, and 2) arrest raids on individuals with outstanding warrants for previously executed attacks. What AP has done here, ignorantly or deliberately, is to lump all these minor activities together into a single operations under the assumption that solders != police therefore soldiers == occupation, and transfer the 'excuse' of retaliation from the Israelis to the Palestinians. Since combining one raid with another entirely unrelated one, and lumping it all together under a third not indicative to the actual operational organization confuses the relational structure of the calendar of activities, it becomes very easy for the truth to be confused, or distorted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted October 11, 2004 Gee, it makes Gaza sound like it's the size of California. Some eyecandy, just to put things in proportion. All of Israel's post-67' borders, including Gaza, as compared to California: Gaza alone is just 36x10 kilometers - just about 1/9th the size of Yosemite National Park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted October 11, 2004 Indeed, the IDF has been relatively lax with dealing with mortar and rocket attacks to the south. Funny I should mention that. This is about as south as it gets: Quote[/b] ]No Injuries in Kassam Rocket Attack19:52 Oct 11, '04 / 26 Tishrei 5765 (IsraelNN.com) A Kassam rocket landed near Kibbutz Nir Yitzhak in the Negev. There are no injuries being reported. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
