walker 0 Posted February 20, 2005 Hi all Quote[/b] ]A plane with faulty landing gear is attempting to land at London's Manston airport in East Kent. The EU Jet was on its way from Gatwick Airport to Manston on a repositioning exercise when a problem occurred. Kent Police said they are preparing for the plane to make an emergency landing. Emergency services were on standby. There are seven crew and no passengers on board the Fokker 100, which has a problem with its starboard undercarriage. The plane is circling above East Kent to get rid of fuel, before attempting to land. A spokesman from the airport say they have implemented emergency procedures and Kent Fire Brigade, with 13 appliances on standby at the airport. Kent Police have closed the A253 south of the airport and traffic is being diverted. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4281769.stm Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted February 20, 2005 Christ, I hope the landing goes ok... But jettisoning fuel over Kent? Isn't that risky doing it over a built up area? I know Kent is not London, but still... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vade_101 0 Posted February 20, 2005 Fokker 100: I think they are just circling to burn off the fuel. rather than dropping it on kent. as for Manston, at least its a big field, i think its the one that they use for training Virgin Atlantic 747 pilots on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted February 20, 2005 Story has been changed, it is reported as a safe landing. *phew* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 20, 2005 Happy ending. Relatively common I would think. I'm sure there are dozens of cases of gear problem landings every year worldwide. Anyway, time to lock this thread, no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted February 20, 2005 No, there's still one thing to be discussed: jettisoning fuel over kent - wtf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 20, 2005 No, there's still one thing to be discussed: jettisoning fuel over kent - wtf Doesn't the fuel vaporize when jetisoned? I've never tried it myself, so pardon my ignorance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nephilim 0 Posted February 20, 2005 ..yeah it comes down as mist i dont like passanger planes.. flying coffins they are.. why cant they build in ejection seats? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 20, 2005 why cant they build in ejection seats? Then you could have custom drop offs. Passenger in 37D presses the "GETTING OFF" button and wooooooooooooosh! Of course, if you only meant to turn on the reading light................. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nephilim 0 Posted February 20, 2005 lol well u could make it active over teh pilots controls or stewardeses hehe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acecombat 0 Posted February 20, 2005 My moms brother is a pilot and hes had a few such problems himself too when a tyre jammed during take-off and he had to land with it jammed as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeLiltMon 0 Posted February 20, 2005 By the sound of it they just circled for an hour to burn off fuel before landing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acecombat 0 Posted February 20, 2005 What other possiblity is there? I mean its not like as if this Fokker has a button in the cockpit "Dump fuel" , the tank i doubt has any such opening from where you can 'dump' it , there is no use for such a thing so i doubt if there is one present. Only place would probably be the intake from where the fuel is fed in ? I could ofcourse be wrong since i dont know THIS much about planes , just applying some general sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted February 21, 2005 What other possiblity is there? I mean its not like as if this Fokker has a button in the cockpit "Dump fuel" , the tank i doubt has any such opening from where you can 'dump' it , there is no use for such a thing so i doubt if there is one present. Only place would probably be the intake from where the fuel is fed in ? I could ofcourse be wrong since i dont know THIS much about planes , just applying some general sense. It's likely that considering the plane's large size that someone could have cut off one of the fuel lines in the depths of the plane to 'jettison' the fuel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozanzac 0 Posted February 21, 2005 What other possiblity is there? I mean its not like as if this Fokker has a button in the cockpit "Dump fuel" , the tank i doubt has any such opening from where you can 'dump' it , there is no use for such a thing so i doubt if there is one present. Only place would probably be the intake from where the fuel is fed in ? I could ofcourse be wrong since i dont know THIS much about planes , just applying some general sense. Fuel dumping systems are very common on airliners.....they're primary use is to jettison fuel in case of emergencies such as this where the plane must land prematurely....and reduce the risk of fire if the plane breaks up upon landing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 21, 2005 It's likely that considering the plane's large size that someone could have cut off one of the fuel lines in the depths of the plane to 'jettison' the fuel. Seen too many movies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noon416 (OFPEC) 0 Posted February 21, 2005 It's also a weight issue. Most large aircraft have so much weight in the wings with full fuel-tanks, that an attempted landing would do some serious damage to the wing spars/wings/engines/etc, as they flex heavily downwards on touchdown... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeLiltMon 0 Posted February 21, 2005 All planes are able to jettison fuel, as Noon mentioned, it can take off with a full load of fuel, but it can't land with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cozza 24 Posted February 21, 2005 well any landing you walk aways from is a good landing as my uncle says. His some fright piliot for Australian Air Service Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acecombat 0 Posted February 21, 2005 What other possiblity is there? Â I mean its not like as if this Fokker has a button in the cockpit "Dump fuel" , the tank i doubt has any such opening from where you can 'dump' it , there is no use for such a thing so i doubt if there is one present. Only place would probably be the intake from where the fuel is fed in ? I could ofcourse be wrong since i dont know THIS much about planes , just applying some general sense. Fuel dumping systems are very common on airliners.....they're primary use is to jettison fuel in case of emergencies such as this where the plane must land prematurely....and reduce the risk of fire if the plane breaks up upon landing. Ok well i was proven wrong in my assumption You got a pic of such a tank and as to how it dumps the fuel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted February 21, 2005 Someone mentioned that if you jettison it at a height of 10,000 ft or above, the kerosene will evaporate before it reaches the ground How is that possible, isn't it a liquid Or do you mean it will disperse into such a fine mist that it might as well be a gas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acecombat 0 Posted February 21, 2005 Petroleum n kerosene are very volatile liquids if i remember correctly and so they evaporate quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozanzac 0 Posted February 21, 2005 What other possiblity is there?  I mean its not like as if this Fokker has a button in the cockpit "Dump fuel" , the tank i doubt has any such opening from where you can 'dump' it , there is no use for such a thing so i doubt if there is one present. Only place would probably be the intake from where the fuel is fed in ? I could ofcourse be wrong since i dont know THIS much about planes , just applying some general sense. Fuel dumping systems are very common on airliners.....they're primary use is to jettison fuel in case of emergencies such as this where the plane must land prematurely....and reduce the risk of fire if the plane breaks up upon landing. Ok well i was proven wrong in my assumption  You got a pic of such a tank and as to how it dumps the fuel? Extreme example: The manner in which this military tanker dumps its fuel is similar to how an airliner would do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acecombat 0 Posted February 21, 2005 Ok never thought that the plane stored its fuel in wings thought it had it in its underbelly somewhere around the middle part. As for that extreme example is that Mig ( looks like it the airframe doesnt looks like the f-14?) dumping its fuel from the back and then burning it by his heat exhaust from the engine? Or have i got it wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozanzac 0 Posted February 21, 2005 Ok never thought that the plane stored its fuel in wings thought it had it in its underbelly somewhere around the middle part.As for that extreme example is that Mig ( looks like it the airframe doesnt looks like the f-14?) dumping its fuel from the back and then burning it by his heat exhaust from the engine? Â Or have i got it wrong? It's an F-111.....the 'dump and burn' is a method which I believe is exclusive to that aircraft. You can even try it out in OFP with Skaircro's F-111, which is available:here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites