the ak with recoiling barrel

[bmgarcangel 0]

Just curious, that ak with a recoiless barrel ( saw it on tv ) is it possible to make here...in ofp? i know hte more modern Alpha teams use it, only some of the team uses it at least and some of the infrantry uses it....if u watch tv closely like the new you would have seen it being used a few times over the past few years with the war russia is raging although not a ton are used.

~Bmg

[Shalashaska 0]

The An-94 Right?

I think its possible, and if it truly is recoiless Im suprised it has not been copied by China, the US, ect.

Wouldnt it just have the recoil of the barrrel represented after you fire? That seems quite possible ingame.

[AdmiralKarlDonuts 0]

Yeah seems doable since we already have animated weapons...Combat's M-2's recoil realistically and Homer's .45 has a working slide, just to name a couple.

I'm not an addon maker but I would assume it's very possible based on those and others.

[oyman 0]

it is very possible

[Drill Sergeant 0]

I have worked on such a thing by clever use of textures.

Useing the .paa VS .pac and such texture thing.

It worked fairly well, but had limits as to looking real.

[Madus_Maximus 0]

I think it just has a delayed recoil, so you fire it then get the effect of the recoil when you stop, even in full auto.

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

even in full-auto? I seriously doubt that.

The AN-94 has a two-round burst. The two round are fired at an amazingly high rate-of fire. In this way the two round are fired before recoil kickes in and it's quite easy to make them hit (almost) the same spot. Using such a burst the weapon becomes much more lethal than the normal AK.

In full-auto the first two round are fired like the burst (high ROF) and the following round on normal (lower) ROF.

The weapon does not have a recoilles barrel. It's just a normal rifle with the addition of a high ROF burst. Recoilles technolgy means the gasses exit from at the rear of the weapon to counter the effect of recoil. Using this on a weapon would mean blowing the gasses in the face of the gunner Not a good idea.

[FerretFangs 0]

It think what they are calling "recoiless" refers to the reciever, and barrel recoiling within the weapon's stock. The HK G11 ued a similar action when fired on the burst setting. Three rounds were fired @ 2000Rpm, and the entire reciever group, and barrel gradually recoiled with each shot on cams, back into the frame. The last round was out of the barrel, and well on it's way downrange before the recoil was felt. The effect on the shooter was a long, steady pressure in to shoulder, as opposed to a short sharp impulse of a single shot. On full auto the weapon fired at a more controllable 650Rpm.

BTW, the Lost Brothers HK G11 is an excellent representation of this weapon, and accurately reproduces the three round burst effect. It's very authentic. feeling.

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

The effect on the shooter was actually a normal recoil. During the firing of the burst almost no recoil is felt. At the end of the burst the mechanism hits the back of the weapon and the recoil is felt. The idea was to create recoilles burst so the weapon could fire those round with uber-accuracy. Truly an awesome weaponsystem which was far ahead of it's time. So far ahed that is was actually too far ahead of it's time and was cancelled.

[Drill Sergeant 0]

Heres some diagrams. Seems the AN94 is the Russain

counterpart for the German G11. Delaying the recoil till

after the second shot.

Diagram 1

Diagram 2

"The most prominent detail in its exterior is the extensive application of synthetic material (glassfiber-reinforced polyamide). An all-plastic stock extends from the folding buttend to a foregrip. Further, there is what appears to be an underbarrel gas tube. In reality it is a stock extension rod with a firing unit guiding rail and an underbarrel grenade launcher mount. A tiny stud in the middle of the rod plays an important dual-functional role.

(A) In the automatic fire both the barrel and the extension rod, oscillating, may develop a resonation harmony. To break the frequency of oscillation of the rod and thus eliminate the bounce, the stud was placed in the middle of the extension rod.

(B) The rifle is adapted to deliver fire from firing ports of APCs. In its firing position the gun is usually locked by a special mechanism. To prevent the rifle from longitudinal sliding inside the lock, the stud is used as a retainer. The gas cylinder is located inside the carrier-stock above the barrel. All firing mechanisms, gas tube with cylinder and the receiver are placed inside the stock too. The latter, to be precise, is an integrated carrier-stock in performance very similar to a lafette of a conventional artillery piece. The barrel and the receiver integrated into a firing unit, travel inside the stock. The bolt and the bolt carrier perform their reciprocating motion inside the receiver. The polyamide handguard is integrated with the top cover. At the top rear part of the stock there is a rotary asterix-type (canted wheel) diopter with peepholes located at different levels for various elevations. One of the star points of diopter has two holes to hold a luminous element, which enables an operator to conduct fire in twilight or under conditions of poor visibility. A similar device is available in the round-post-type front sight placed inside a protection frame. The front sight has a possibility for zeroing both for elevation and the windage. The muzzle brake is an original two-chambered design, which also departs from most Russian designs. Unlike earlier designs of small firearms with underbarrel bayonet mount, Abakan has a side bayonet lug on the right side of the barrel to enable a better penetration capability in a hand to hand combat. In addition, the bayonet in a horizontal position can be used to make swinging side cuts. Thanks to the location both the bayonet and an underbarrel grenade launcher could be attached at a time. As could be seen from the photos, AN-94 looks significantly different from any of the Kalashnikov designs. There are only five AK-74 components borrowed by Nikonov from a well-know rifle. These are the following:

buttstock hinge with release knob,

pistol grip,

magazine,

optic sight base located on the left side of stock and

cleaning kit."

More on the Abakan.

On second thought the G11 delays till the 3d shot...

Well that settles it, I'm useing the G11.

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

And the G11 uses caseless ammo which means you have no cartidges ejecting from the weapon. So it's also 'greenpeace-proof' An updated G11 would be my weapon of choise at all time. Updated since the old g11 is a little large and it's shape is not really perfect.

With modern technology I'm sure the guys of HK can transform the G11 in one of the best rifles around.

On the AN-94;

I didn't know that. Never read anything about that either. Kind of stupid that it isen't mentioned everywhere. They only say t has a complicated mechanism, but never say anything about the internal sliding mechanism. This sure raises my interest in the rifle.

[Grizzlie 0]

In one of articles i have red about Abakan (only printed), writer was talking with Specnaz soldiers who was testing this rifle in Checznia - one of they said it is nice toy, but for sesious work AK is better. And as gossip says (3-4 years ago) it has one very big disadvantage - after cleaning while mounting it, it can be mount in wrong way, without any visible changes, so rifle looks good, but is not working.

There is still many secrets about this weapon. For instance it has moving barrel, but noone mentionet yet if putting bayonet changes ROF or not (changed weight of moving part).

And one more thing, as far as i remember "Abakan Conquest" was solved in 1985 year, so if till today Abakan is so mysterious and not used by more forces, for me it means it failed real life test...

[Uziyahu--IDF 0]

Yeah, that's a pic of the HK G11 ACR... more beautiful than the G11 K2, in my opinion.

The HKPack's G11 (which I harangued Vipersheart about constantly, to get it right) needs a bit more dispersion on the 3-round burst at 300 meters. Otherwise, I remember it being damn-near perfect.

Soooooooo many games haven't gotten the 3-round burst and slow rate full-auto on the G11 right...

[bmgarcangel 0]

Ok...get this...lets just see if we can make a new rifle made by the army, brand new, recoiling barrel......but semi automatic...

~Bmg