calm_terror 0 Posted July 18, 2004 yes the F-117 can slip past most anytihng at NIGHT but durign the first gulf war the f-117 was also back up by many Eletronic Warfare aircraft used to jam enemy radar. when the f-117 flies alone it is much easier to see and once you see it then it is dead. The F-117 is nto the g-d's gift of jets. it is not evne a fighter like it is suppost to be. and to compare it's service vs 3rd world countries with limited tech and training. does not mean it is the best plane. put it up agaienst a large well equiped country it will not do as good.. the serbs where so so they had limited tech and there has bene rumors that on the f-117 shoot down that they got some new radar type systems from russia to test with also russian radar and sam crews. but that is not confirmed. but the F-117 during day is a very easy target for anytihng that cna visual see it once you see it laser paint it and it is screwed.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FerretFangs 0 Posted July 18, 2004 yes the F-117 can slip past most anytihng at NIGHT but durign the first gulf war the f-117 was also back up by many Eletronic Warfare aircraft used to jam enemy radar.when the f-117 flies alone it is much easier to see and once you see it then it is dead. The F-117 is nto the g-d's gift of jets. it is not evne a fighter like it is suppost to be. and to compare it's service vs 3rd world countries with limited tech and training. does not mean it is the best plane. put it up agaienst a large well equiped country it will not do as good.. the serbs where so so they had limited tech and there has bene rumors that on the f-117 shoot down that they got some new radar type systems from russia to test with also russian radar and sam crews. but that is not confirmed. but the F-117 during day is a very easy target for anytihng that cna visual see it once you see it laser paint it and it is screwed.. Everything you just said is, for the most part true. However, when used in conjunction with offensive off-board jamming support, "threading the needle" NOE penetration techniques, and the use of zero-visibility flying conditions- it's still very effective. Now, in comparison to more modern LO platforms like the B-2, F/A-22, and F/A-35, the F-117 is getting a little long in the tooth and may be practically obselete. But it's still very effective agaisnt most nations that the US is likely to face in combat for the forseeable future, including North Korea, and Iran. Keep in mind that it can also be upgraded and equipped with newer weapons to maintain it's mission effectiveness in the future. There is no reason the Nighthawk couldn't be loaded with ARM's and used as an dedicated LO Wild Weasel platform. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unhappy customer 0 Posted July 18, 2004 I don't think that anyone ever ment for the Nighthawk to operate during daylight. Think of the F-117 like a Ninja warrior. You wouldn't send a lone Ninja out in the daylight in an open field to face 4,000 enemy soldiers. Instead you wait for nightfall, and send the Ninja into the enemy camp to assasinate their leader, or poison their food supply. This is the way of the Nighthawk. It only carries 2 2,000 lb bombs, it can't go supersonic, and it has no defensive armament. But when it slips past your air defenses in the darkness of night, knocks out a command and control center, and kills your top Airforce brass, then you can understand why this aircraft is so feared.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FerretFangs 0 Posted July 18, 2004 And it's still well ahead of most other nation's technologies. It's like twenty years older than than the B-2, and yet no other nations have progressed far enough to make their own LO combat aircraft, or have been able to counter it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zombie_Mod 0 Posted July 20, 2004 And it's still well ahead of most other nation's technologies. It's like twenty years older than than the B-2, and yet no other nations have progressed far enough to make their own LO combat aircraft, Â or have been able to counter it. Do you really think the Russians would have nothing like the F117? After the Nighthawk was shot down, who do you think would have been "acquiring" as much of the RAM as possible? Trust me, Russia and China have the technology. Maybe they don't rate it as highly as you do though. (A thought: manually operated Shilka vs day-flying Nighthawk? Ouch.) I understand "Kolchuga" passive radar can detect stealth bombers, by dint of detecting electronic emissions. That's why the US were kicking up with the Ukraine, who they suspected of selling the radar; imagine the loss of life if the Iraqis got hold of those babies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calm_terror 0 Posted July 20, 2004 both china and russia do that stealth tech. just russia's military is strapped for cash and china is just secret and does not show it most high tech jets off nor fly them aroudn where people can see.. remember just because no one has seen it used doe snto mean they don't have it. like most nuclear countries only a small hand full have actual set one off. and only 1 country has used them in hostility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEDICUS 0 Posted July 20, 2004 Info: S-125 / SA-3 GOA  01 S-125 / SA-3 GOA  02 S-125M PECHORA CC [sA-3 GOA] S-125 SA-3 GOA Pics: SA-3   SA-3   SA-3b   SA-3   Lot's of pics MfG MEDICUS  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charon-VW:BB- 0 Posted July 23, 2004 @Medicus: Thanks for ur pictures but sadly they didn't show what iam after Ok i checked google again and suddenly i found this Homepage with this picture ... but then i clicked on the picture and "We couldn't find the page" Â Â Perhaps somebody is able to see the page or have some similar pictures. Would be great !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironsight 1 Posted July 23, 2004 @ July 23 2004,11:49)]Perhaps somebody is able to see the page or have some similar pictures. Would be great !!! I can see the page, but they don't have more pictures Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charon-VW:BB- 0 Posted July 23, 2004 @ Ironsight: But do they have this small picture in bigger? Because i need this picture in big size ... google told me that the orginal size on the site is about 600x.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironsight 1 Posted July 23, 2004 @ July 23 2004,16:18)]@ Ironsight: But do they have this small picture http://images.google.de/images?....UJ:http in bigger? Because i need this picture in big size ... google told me that the orginal size on the site is about 600x.... Yep, I will download it and host it on imageshack for you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charon-VW:BB- 0 Posted July 23, 2004 That would be damn fine of you  .... Ok thats really damn fine of you ... thank you very much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
