SA-3 'Goa' / S-125 'Newa'

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Hi!

I'm currently working at the SA-3A 'Goa' Mod 0 (NATO-Code), a surface-to-air missile system. That's the version with two missiles and it looks like this:

Now i need reference pictures of the back of the missile launcher. By the way the missile is already finished.

I searched many times the internet with google for some more good pictures but i didn't found any good picture in high size of the back.

Perhaps somebody has this little thing in his backyard or lives next to a museum which has this missile launcher variant. Would be cool if someone could help me out.

Greetings,

Charon

[Ironsight 1]

Will you release this as a seperate addon or as a part of a mod?

[Ironsight 1]

For pictures try this  

EDIT: Or go here

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Dunno how things will work out ... maybe it will be seperate released or with the mod ... at the moment i really dont know because first of all this 'baby' has to be finished

Thanks for the help but sadly it's the wrong version on this website.

edit: Sorry already was there   (and no back views too )

[mr_rOk 0]

Here's one after a 1 min search

http://www.softwar.net/SA3.JPG

Will find some more, thing is i have magazines and books with pictures, but no scanner.

Here 's your version, this one supplements your pic from top well.

http://www.military.cz/rolls/sam%203.jpg

SA-7-but the layout launcher-missile is the same

http://siafdu.tripod.com/sa7.jpg

Over @ FAS you have a b/w (back)shot of the truck version.

[Crowley 0]

There always seems to be one elusive angle. How much detail are you looking for?

http://www.wonderland.org.nz/sa3-2.jpg

[Grizzlie 0]

http://www.serwis-militarny.net/uzbr/newa.php

MAybe this one will help you a bit

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Ok first of all thanks everyone for supporting me.

@Crowley: Hmmm i tried this picture too but i recognized that it ain't helping me enough because of the bad quality. A b/w shot is okay but it should be sharpe enough ... a picture in color , big size and from the back would be perfect ... example:

http://venus.ci.uw.edu.pl/~animal....3-4.jpg

[mr_rOk 0]

Did you check my second suggestion, it's sharp, in color, only it's not too big, but I think that's the best we could come up to so far.

And you should try putting pics together in your head.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

I checked it ... but as u mentioned it's too small but thats the view of the launcher i reach the goal

edit: Yepp i have a lot of pictures in my head to solve the problem but first of all i want to check every source i know about real pictures and if i don't get some i'll use the pictures in my head but then the object looses some realisim and this is a fact i hate

[bucket man 2]

Nice launcher! Hope you get it done and release it separately so I dont have to wait untill hell freezes over.

[FerretFangs 0]

Another Russian SAM, huh? Well it's a good one. The SA-3 "Goa," is the only SAM in the world that has successfully shot down a US stealth fighter, an F-117 in the Bosnian conflict. The radar couldn't track the Nighthawk, but the missile can be manually directed with optical tracking. So it was really just lucky for the Serbs that the Nighthawk was attacking during daylight. Anyway, the pilot was rescued, and that SAM site was shutdown with a vengeance.

I wish someone would make some US SAM systems. There's plenty of Russian plane addons to shoot down these days.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Hmmm i'll like to build the SA-3 too because both SAMs (SA-2/3) shot down many US planes during the Vietnam War (there were only a few SA-3 in north vietnam which where used for the protection of their airfields)

[bucket man 2]

It was SA-6 that shot down a stealth bomber I think. They had this faint track in their radars every night at the same height and speed.

They thought it wasnt nothing untill some experienced people had a look at it and knew what it was. They waited for the right time and fired the missile into the night sky. I think the missile had some device that it homed by itself if it was close enough to the target.

Stealth fighers are pretty easy to shoot down as they have to fly between radars so they must follow pretty much the same route.

[FerretFangs 0]

It was SA-6 that shot down a stealth bomber I think. They had this faint track in their radars every night at the same height and speed.

They thought it wasnt nothing untill some experienced people had a look at it and knew what it was. They waited for the right time and fired the missile into the night sky. I think the missile had some device that it homed by itself if it was close enough to the target.

Stealth fighers are pretty easy to shoot down as they have to fly between radars so they must follow pretty much the  same route.

http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/01/jun01/ed060301h.html

[mr_rOk 0]

I don't know yet which missile it was but I'm gonna try to find out beyond any reasonable doubt.

ATM, I lean more towards SA-6, 'cos SA-3 were stationary in Yugoslav army, SA-6 are mobile and NATO probably targetted all stationary launch pads from the get go.

Besides SA-3 were old news even for the Yugoslav army

and I think I too saw somewhere that it was SA-6 which shot down the stealth fighter.

[FerretFangs 0]

Well, everything I've read says it was a Goa, including the official findings of the US military. Search through Google, and you will find that most credible reports say it was an SA-3. If you find otherwise, post it here, and I may give you a cookie.

[Crowley 0]

@ July 16 2004,08:05)]edit: Yepp i have a lot of pictures in my head to solve the problem but first of all i want to check every source i know about real pictures and if i don't get some i'll use the pictures in my head but then the object looses some realisim and this is a fact i hate

Are you trying to stick photos on for the textures? This rarely works well unless you can go up to one of them and take all the photos you need.

Marfy's page shows the basic idea behind reproducing a good looking texture from a source image that may not have been so good. With all the supports and hydraulics on the back of that you can't really just stick a photo on for the texture.

[Unhappy customer 0]

I heard that one factor that lead to the downing of the F-117 was the fact that it was raining that night. The RAM (Radar Absorbant Material) coating of the airframe became saturated with water, effectively reducing it's radar absorbing properties.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

@Crowley:

No i don't want to use the pictures for a texture .... therefor we have a texture artist ... no my problem is that i don't know how the thing is working because the hydraulic things for the missile carriers are fixed on the back. And on the b/w picture + the small "yellow" pictures i don't see much of the construction.

That's the problem iam currently dealing with.

[calm_terror 0]

we at Lost brothers already made the SA-6 and we ahve an SA-2 in devloment. never heard of the SA-3 tho.

it seems as tho it was used as a filling between the SA-2 and mobile SA-6's..

good luck with it.

you goin to use pseudo-proxy's.?

and proxy detanation?

on a side note

the stealth "fighters" are easy to shoot down. they carry no defencive weapons they are slow and have no ecm or flare/chaf, and actual suck with out an EC jamming bird near by..

plus they are black and easy to see durign the day. and hear..

and i doubt there is any thing to block laser trackign wich alot fo SAMs now use.. so if you can see it you cna kill it.

oh also the US Airdefence systems are veyr limited. the US uses only vulcans and stringers, the pardiat is also used rarely as an SAM.. the US like Israel realized that SAMs and air defence systems are not that great and miss alot the best air defence is to use an intercepter air to air jet..

i had an artical talking to an IAF general aboot the air war in lebonan/ syria. and how syria put HUGE sums of money and man power into their SAM network only to be completely desamated by the IAF.. using mostly old school iron bombs.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

@calm_terror:  They used the SA-3 during the war between Israel and Egypt too:

"the 1967 war between Israel and Egypt was reinforcing the importance of air superiority. The Egyptians saw losses of over 300 aircraft on the ground and the destruction of 23 radar sites. Using lessons learned from Vietnam, the Egyptian air defense was reorganized by Soviet advisors who provided an integrated air defense system. Included were improved SA-2 missiles and the recently introduced SA-3. Mobile threats included the SA-6 missile system"

(source: globalsecurity.org)

you goin to use pseudo-proxy's.?

and proxy detanation?

- good questions but at the moment i can't give u the answeres because iam only the model makin guy ... everything else is done by another team member. I'll ask him about it.

Thanks and good luck with your SAMs too

[calm_terror 0]

well for the pseudo-proxy's and prox det you need to have models.

well to do a movign turret with missiles you have to use pseudo-proxy's ie have the missiles modeled to the vehical then have setable textures. if not the missiles will either never be there or always be there

[Unhappy customer 0]

The F-117 isn't "easy to shoot down" but yes they can be brought down.  Several groups of Night Hawks slipped right past numerous Mig-29 patrols on the opening night of the first Gulf War.  But the fact is that the combination of faceted shaping, and RAM can only go so far.  For one the arrow like shape is great for spliting a radar wave from head on, and reflecting it away from a reciever.  But from the side, and especially from the rear there is a reduced radar deflecting effect.  Other factors include the attitude and altitude of the aircraft in relation to the radar.  If the aircraft is climbing, diving, or banking in one direction or the other, he may be exposing a larger faceted side to radar energy.  Also if the aircraft is in a bombing run with the bomb bay doors open, this too will spoil the radar deflecting effect of the aircraft's shape.

[FerretFangs 0]

Geez, it's nice to hear from people who have a clue as to what the hell they're on about.

Thank You, Unhappy customer.