Us presidential election 2004

[Kaliyuga 0]

I do not want some asshole trying to harass me telling me Bush is evil and that crap....

The truth hurts huh?

[Pathy 0]

hahahaha.

The 3 G's.....some classy people in Georgia, thats for sure....

"Praise the lord an' pass the ammo!" - no doubt they are shooting at gays......

[Akira 0]

hahahaha.

The 3 G's.....some classy people in Georgia, thats for sure....

"Praise the lord an' pass the ammo!" - no doubt they are shooting at gays......

I am so leaving this country....

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I am so leaving this country....

Vote for Bush or I will lose some of my post count!!!

[walker 0]

Hi all

It apears the Spy caught by the FBI is cutting a deal to rat out the rest of the spy cell.

Quote[/b] ]FBI In Contact With Suspected Spy

CBS/AP) The FBI is trying to obtain the cooperation of a Pentagon analyst suspected of spying for Israel, the New York Times reports. The newspaper said Larry Franklin had been in contact with the Bureau, though it did not know whether Franklin was talking to the FBI directly or through a lawyer.

Franklin is suspected of passing secrets about U.S. policy on Iran to the main pro-Israeli lobbying group in Washington, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which then was said to have given the secrets to the Israeli government.

Both AIPAC and Israel deny the allegations. Israel says Iran — and its nuclear ambitions — pose the greatest single threat to the Jewish state.

60 Minutes Correspondent Leslie Stahl was first to report the story on Friday.

The FBI has spent more than a year investigating the matter, though no arrests have resulted. Franklin, an Iran specialist working under Douglas J. Feith, a top Pentagon official with close ties to Israel.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/national/main639143.shtml

Douglas J. Feith was person mentioned in an article in American Conservative magazine who's office allowed several Israeli generals into his office without signing them in through post 9/11 Pentagon security protocols. Aparently his office did not want a record of their visits.

The Israeli Generals were aparently such regular visitors on these un signed visits that they new the way through to Douglas J. Feith's office better than those sent to escort them and fully expected to be able to burst into undersecretary of defense for policy Douglas J. Feith's unanounced and to know who he was speaking to at any time.

The fact that Douglas J. Feith seemed so much to be under their power has people questioning which nation Douglas J. Feith serves.

Quote[/b] ]Feith is also well known for his participation -- along with neoconservative big wigs Richard Perle and David Wurmser -- in a 1996 study organized by the Israel-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS), which urged scrapping the then-ongoing peace process. The study, titled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,†advised then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "to work closely with Turkey and Jordan to contain, destabilize, and roll back" regional threats, help overthrow Hussein, and strike "Syrian military targets in Lebanon" and possibly in Syria proper. (13) (IASPS directorship and board are dominated by long-standing hawks like William Van Cleave.)

Feith’s private business dealings have also raised eyebrows in Washington. In 1999, his firm Feith & Zell formed an alliance with the Israel-based Zell, Goldberg & Co., which resulted in the creation of the Fandz International Law Group. According to Fandz’s web site, the law group “has recently established a task force dealing with issues and opportunities relating to the recently ended war with Iraq. ... and is assisting regional construction and logistics firms to collaborate with contractors from the United States and other coalition countries in implementing infrastructure and other reconstruction projects in Iraq.†Remarked Washington Post columnist Al Kamen, “Interested parties can reach [Fandz] through its Web site, at www.fandz.com. Fandz.com? Hmmm. Rings a bell. Oh, yes, that was the Web site of the Washington law firm of Feith & Zell, P.C., as in Douglas Feith [the] undersecretary of defense for policy and head of -- what else? -- reconstruction matters in Iraq. It would be impossible indeed to overestimate how perfect ZGC would be in ‘assisting American companies in their relations with the United States government in connection with Iraqi reconstruction projects.’â€

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/feith/feith.php

Others such as William J. Luti may also now be under the microscope they were all part of the Office of Special Plans (OSP), a secretive Pentagon outfit whose players included Douglas Feith and Abram Shulsky. The OSP was the source of all the bad intell that lead to the Iraq War.

Kind Regards Walker

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]I am so leaving this country....

Vote for Bush or I will lose some of my post count!!!

Like I need another reason to vote for Kerry

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]I am so leaving this country....

Many made that promise in 2000, and they didn't live up to their words ...

[FSPilot 0]

I'm voting for Bush (raise your hand if you didn't see that one coming).

Kerry's got some things going for him. Yes I was actually considering voting for Kerry. He's a vet (which is questionable according to some sources), he's a GA pilot, and he doesn't seem to want to slash the military budget to shreds like clinton did. On the other hand he actively protested the war in vietnam, he's just about as two-faced as any politician nowadays, and he's a democrat which means we'd disagree on certain subjects.

Bush agrees with almost everything that I do, aside from the death penalty.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The GOP seems to be constantly relying on the swift fantasist smears. The fact that Republicans seem only able to rely on denigrating a war hero is disgusting.

The fact that they are now denigrating many other Veterans and their medals for daring to tell the truth about the war is the lowest form of politics.

The republicans seem only able to get down the mud and wallow in it like pigs.

The plain fact is all their swift fantasies have been disproven like m21man's post, the one where the sources pulled.

Then we have the doctor who never treated or saw his wounds saying he had not been wounded, people who were not on his boat saying it was not under fire when navy records say they were, heck the swift fantasists even have people who were not even yet in the war saying he was not in battle, then we have the REMF who gave him the citation flip floping, dito another suposed medal winner doing the same, then the acusation he lied about doing patrols on the Cambodian border when naval and real swift boat records of the time prove that he did even listing the patrol area.

All in all the republicans have got to be stoped from having their swift fantasy convention.

Kind Regards Walker

[Bernadotte 0]

The GOP seems to be constantly relying on the swift fantasist smears.

Indeed they do, however I believe there is a little bit more behind it than pure partisanship.

It strikes me that most of these Swift folk truly believe Kerry was the original fantacist, 32 years ago, when he testified before Congress of US military attocities in Vietnam.  Since then, they've not only kept their collective heads buried in the sand, but they've chosen to fight fantasy with fantasy.  Surely they know the truth about Kerry's war record, but feel fully justified lying about his past in return for what they perceive as Kerry's lies about Nam.

"Oh what a wicked web we weave when at first we practice to deceive."

[walker 0]

Hi all

I dont aprove of posting big wooges of stuff so I have cut this great essay (click on the link to read the whole article) by Michael Moore to just a taster. It deals with the usual smear campaign (the NeoConMen have no other form of campaign) that they bring against liberal ideals.

Liberal it comes from the word liberate or to make free, liberation or freedom is an anathema to the big corporate NeoConMen now running the once proud US Republican party. They prefer everyone to be a good little party aparetchnik like the well trained communist tendancy of the republican party.

Freedom of thought is not expected of proles they are just expected to take orders from the hyper rich elite who now control the party. Most of the NeoConmen who now run the US Republican party are old money people like the Vietnam War Dodger George Bush Junior, a lot of his money came from his grandfathers support of the Nazi party during the the 30's and early 40's when he was banker to them.

Quote[/b] ]August 29th, 2004 9:38 pm

A Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican

Joe gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot with good, clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan. Because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast -- bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount that is contains because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and the breakdown of its contents. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer meets these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get worker's compensation or an unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should loose his home to temporary misfortune.

It's noon time. Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification (those rural Republican's would still be sitting in the dark)....

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=144

As I sad the whole article is well worth a read. It just points up how the divisisve labeling and smears of the NeoConMen have ripped appart the US republican party and the USA.

Their tactics are ones that the Vietnam War Dodger George Bush Junior's grandfather would recognise they are the same style of attacks, denigration, lies and smears that his nazi party friends used against jews, blacks, gypsies, intelectuals, men and women of good consience and yes liberals that eventualy lead to the death camps.

Kind Regards Walker

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I'm voting for Bush (raise your hand if you didn't see that one coming).

Kerry's got some things going for him.  Yes I was actually considering voting for Kerry.  He's a vet (which is questionable according to some sources), he's a GA pilot, and he doesn't seem to want to slash the military budget to shreds like clinton did.  On the other hand he actively protested the war in vietnam, he's just about as two-faced as any politician nowadays, and he's a democrat which means we'd disagree on certain subjects.

Bush agrees with almost everything that I do, aside from the death penalty.

Please tell me.. I dont realy get your point about "prostesting against NAM". What was wrong about calling it dirty, inhumane and injustfull?

This country was blown to dust! No communist ever harmed that nation as much as the US military did

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Show Me the Convention

By MICHAEL J. COPPS

ashington — As a Democratic commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission, I may not agree with many positions taken by speakers this week at the Republican National Convention. Even so, I believe our broadcast media owe us more coverage of an event that remains an important component of the presidential campaign. Yet tonight, if people around the country tune in to the commercial broadcast TV networks, most will not see any live convention coverage. That's not right.

Let's remember that American citizens own the public airwaves, not TV executives. We give broadcasters the right to use these airwaves for free in exchange for their agreement to broadcast in the public interest. They earn huge profits using this public resource. During this campaign season broadcasters will receive nearly $1.5 billion from political advertising.

What do we get in return for granting TV stations free use of our airwaves? Unfortunately, when it comes to coverage of issues important to our nation, the answer is less and less. Coverage of the 2000 presidential election on the network evening news dropped by a third compared to reporting on the 1996 election. During the last election cycle we heard directly from presidential candidates for an average of 9 seconds a night on the news. Local races? Forget it. In 2002 - the most recent midterm elections - more than half of local newscasts contained no campaign coverage at all. Local coverage has diminished to the point that campaign ads outnumber campaign stories by four to one. What coverage there is focuses inordinately on polls and handicapping the horse race.

TV executives tell us that the convention and campaign coverage provided by the cable channels is sufficient. I don't think so. Around 35 million Americans don't get cable, often because they cannot afford it. To put it in perspective, that's more than the combined populations of Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Furthermore, broadcasters legally undertake to serve the public interest themselves in exchange for free spectrum - their licenses don't allow them to pass the buck to cable. Remember also that the vast majority of cable channels are national, not local. So don't look for local campaign coverage on cable, except in the few towns where local cable news exists. Most Americans still must look to their local broadcaster for news of local campaigns and issues.

The F.C.C. is doing nothing to help as the situation deteriorates. It has weakened almost every explicit duty stations once had for serving the public interest, like ensuring that stations cover local issues and offer viewers a diversity of opinion. Just as bad, the commission eliminated protections against media consolidation last year, even though critics warned that this would result in even less local coverage. Luckily, a federal court rejected this decision, so we have another chance to save these rules.

The F.C.C. has also failed to set guidelines for how broadcasters will meet their public interest responsibilities when digital TV and multicasting become more widespread. To make matters worse, the F.C.C. now practically rubber-stamps TV license renewals, usually without auditing station records to determine whether licensees are fulfilling their public interest responsibilities or checking with communities to ensure that stations are meeting local needs.

Whether we are Democrats, Republicans or independents, we all can agree that democracy depends on well-informed citizens. So as you flip through the channels tonight while the convention is largely ignored, consider whether TV broadcasters, sustained by free access to the public airwaves in exchange for programming in the public interest, are holding up their end of the deal.

Michael J. Copps is a commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission.

I also read a story that says Al Jazeera covers more of the conventions than US networks...

[Pathy 0]

I also think, whats so two faced about Kerry protesting against the war....it was a stupid and dirty war, and one that the USA should never have got involved with.

He went out there presumably out of patriotic fervour, once he got out there he saw that it was not as righteous as he believed, so he protested against it.....whats so bad about that, he saw something that was wrong and let people know about it. Someone please tell me how that is two faced?

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

the same morons that get upset at a vietnam vet protesting a war are the same kinda morons that felt the way to win that HORRIBLE war was by body count alone...people wanna vote for dumbass (bush) because he's consistent...well, being consistently WRONG is a BAD thing. LOL...did yall read about this guy calling the war in Iraq a catastrophic success...lol..WTF is that!?

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]the same morons that get upset at a vietnam vet protesting a war are the same kinda morons that felt the way to win that HORRIBLE war was by body count alone...people wanna vote for dumbass (bush) because he's consistent...well, being consistently WRONG is a BAD thing. LOL...did yall read about this guy calling the war in Iraq a catastrophic success...lol..WTF is that!?

Your posts makes me think that you are a type of guy who would be dumb enough to punch a Bush supporter. I'm not at home right to post a link of that type of moron (it's a video).

Quote[/b] ]Their tactics are ones that the Vietnam War Dodger George Bush Junior's grandfather would recognise they are the same style of attacks, denigration, lies and smears that his nazi party friends used against jews, blacks, gypsies, intelectuals, men and women of good consience and yes liberals that eventualy lead to the death camps

Walker you are smearing, too.

[billybob2002 0]

Did anybody see MTV music video awards last night. I missed it. Anyway,

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerrymtv.htm

Quote[/b] ]THE BOOS THAT ROCKED THE VOTE: KERRY DAUGHTERS RECEIVE RUDE AWAKENING AT MTV AWARDS

Sun Aug 29 2004 23:36:31 ET

MTV, ROLLING STONE and the rock and roll establishment -- past and present -- have cast their vote, and their man is John Kerry.

So on Sunday night when John Kerry's daughters were announced to speak at the annual MTV VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS, the MTV youth were expected to welcome his daughters as pop culture princesses.

Instead, in an era of the unexpected, the daughters of the Democratic candidate were met with cheers -- AND JEERS -- during the live broadcast in Miami.

From the moment Alexandra and Vanessa started speaking, the boos outweighed anything close to cheers, and the reaction turned worse when the daughters asked the VIACOM youth to vote for their father. So shocked by the reaction, the taller of the two daughters tried to 'shhhhhh' her peers to no avail.

Developing..

Who would of thought...

[walker 0]

Hi billybob2002

Saying that the swift fantasies are just that a bunch of hooey is not smearing.

This NeoConMen takeover of the US republican party convention has nothing to say but these constant attacks on a war hero. What right has the Vietnam War Dodger George Bush Junior and his NeoConMen Chicken Hawk suporters to denigerate the medals and citations of veterans.

You keep on and on about the swift fantasies, well backlash is a b*tch. 60% of Americans know the swift fantasy smears you have been pumping out are pure lies. It seems all the NeoConMen who now control the US republican party are expert at is smear and lie. They used the same tactics on John McCain another veteran. If we look back through all your posts over the last few months that is about all you have posted.

Like I said backlash is a b*tch. Why should the NeoConMen and their swift fantasy be alowed to get away with it.

Walker

[turms 0]

Billybobs "report" didnt mention that the booing started as soon as Bushes daughters came to the screen. So everyone was allowed to appear in the show.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Hi billybob2002

Saying that the swift fantasies are just that a bunch of hooey is not smearing.

This NeoConMen takeover of the US republican party convention has nothing to say but these constant attacks on a war hero. What right has the Vietnam War Dodger George Bush Junior and his NeoConMen Chicken Hawk suporters to denigerate the medals and citations of veterans.

You keep on and on about the swift fantasies, well backlash is a bitch. 60% of Americans know the swift fantasy smears you have been pumping out are pure lies. It seems all the NeoConMen who now control the US republican party are expert at is smear and lie. They used the same tactics on John McCain another veteran. If we look back through all your posts over the last few months that is about all you have posted.

Like I said backlash is a bitch. Why should the NeoConMen and their swift fantasy be alowed to get away with it.

Walker

It seems that you do not understand Bush wants all 527 groups ads to be banned and he is trying to get help from McCain. However, Kerry will not come out and say all 527 groups ads (groups) should be banned. Majority of 527 groups are anti-bush and pump out lies too.

[turms 0]

Quote[/b] ]It seems that you do not understand Bush wants all 527 groups ads to be banned and he is trying to get help from McCain. However, Kerry will not come out and say all 527 groups ads (groups) should be banned. Majority of 527 groups are anti-bush and pump out lies too.

I think that Kerry wants all 527 groups that receive fundings and support from the presidential campaigns to quit, Bush instead wants to ban all of them.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Billybobs "report" didnt mention that the booing started as soon as Bushes daughters came to the screen. So everyone was allowed to appear in the show.

ROFL, of course the Bush daughters will be booed at a MTV event. A lot people in music industry (not all) and clear majority of Hollywood (not all) do not like Bush. Its just a shock that the Kerry daughters will be booed because their father is running against Bush. Futhermore, I posted I did not see the event.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I think that Kerry wants all 527 groups that receive fundings and support from the presidential campaigns to quit, Bush instead wants to ban all of them.

Hehe, majority of the 527 groups are anti-bush and are funded by wealthy people that are not connected to Kerry co. Bush will look better calling for a complete ban while Kerry calls for a half-"ban" of those groups.

[turms 0]

Quote[/b] ]while Kerry calls for a half-"ban" of those groups.

No. Kerry wants just that the current law concerning these groups will be followed.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]No. Kerry wants just that the current law concerning these groups will be followed.

You posted:

Quote[/b] ]I think that Kerry wants all 527 groups that receive fundings and support from the presidential campaigns to quit, Bush instead wants to ban all of them.

Half-ban, no. Bush will look bolder. Later