Us presidential election 2004

[theavonlady 2]

Great...Hitler used in a pro-Bush spot.

Now it´s official  

So we are officially authorized to link Hitler with Bush, right ?

Wrong. Everyone's wrong. You, too.

Quote[/b] ]The New N-Word

By Jonah Goldberg

The Bush campaign has come out with a bad ad. It's on the Web. It's called "Kerry's Coalition of the Wild-Eyed." It runs a montage of various Democrats (plus Michael Moore) in full-blown rants, veins popping out of their necks, about George W. Bush. It also runs clips from an ad submitted to a contest at Moveon.org-the Web "movement" dedicated to helping the Democrats whenever and wherever possible. The contest asked members and other sympathetic parties for anti-Bush ads. One of them featured comparisons of Bush to Hitler. The Bushies took clips of Hitler from that ad and spliced them in to the montage of Gephardt, Gore et al. Now, the Bush ad makes it clear where they got these images and states explicitly that they are objecting to the vile rhetoric from the left that often invokes Hitler analogies.

Still, the ad is bad because the subliminal message is that all the ranters are similar: Gephardt, Kerry, Gore, Hitler, Dean, Moore, and so on. In other words, the Bush campaign wants it both ways. They want to take the high road by condemning the hateful politics of their opponents, while at the same time they take the low road with a wink and a nod. I don't think the ad is evil or outrageous in the way that the folks at Moveon.org, the DNC and various liberal journalistic outlets do, but, yeah, they have a point. Using your enemies' transgressions as a Trojan Horse to do the same thing isn't worth the cost to your own credibility.

That said, it would be very nice indeed if all the liberals banging their spoons on their high chairs about the ad took a moment to reflect on what they've let slip by without much comment.

In 2000, while stumping for Al Gore, Bill Clinton declared that the Texas GOP platform "was so bad that you could get rid of every fascist tract in your library if you just had a copy."

During the Florida recount, Michael Moore wrote "There are tens of thousands of people who lived through [the Holocaust], escaped the ovens and are now living out their final years in South Florida. . I will not allow those who survived to .. be abused again."

In the most recent Maryland Governor's race, a Democratic strategist told the Washington Post: "Bobby Ehrlich is a Nazi. . He should be running in Germany in 1942, not Maryland in 2002 . we'll define him as the Nazi that he is. Once we do that, I think people will vote for Kathleen Kennedy Townsend."

Jesse Jackson once told the editorial board of the Chicago Sun-Times: "The Christian Coalition was a strong force in [Nazi] Germany. It laid down a suitable, scientific, theological rationale for the tragedy in Germany. The Christian Coalition was very much in evidence there." He told British television: "In South Africa the status quo was called racism. We rebelled against it. In Germany it was called fascism. Now in Britain and the U.S., it is called conservatism." During the Florida recount, the man of "Hymietown" fame was concerned that Republicans were targeting survivors of the Holocaust "again."

"When I compare this to what happened in Germany," New York Rep. Charles Rangel observed during the debates over the Contract with America, "I hope that you will see the similarities to what is happening to us . . Hitler wasn't even talking about doing these things." And when Newt Gingrich tried to reach out to liberal Democrats by inviting them to social functions, New York Rep. Major Owens was outraged. "These are people who are practicing genocide with a smile; they're worse than Hitler," he said.

In his book "Earth in the Balance," Al Gore insisted that those who ignore global warming were akin to those who failed to pay heed to the "broken glass of Kristalnacht." More recently, the former vice president said Bush campaign workers who e-mail journalists are "digital brownshirts."

Meanwhile, a host of liberal and leftist intellectuals and journalists routinely compare Bush's America to Hitler's Germany in far more direct ways than the Bush ad. Last September, Vanity Fair ran a photo of Richard Perle alongside a photo of Josef Goebbels. Sheldin Wolin wrote in the Nation that the GOP was Nazifying before our eyes. And of course, one cannot swing a digital cat on the internet without finding pictures of George Bush in Nazi garb and Hitler's twee mustache.

I could go on for pages with this sort of thing (in part because I'm writing a book about fascism). For more than seven decades, the left has insisted that the more you disagree with them the more like a Nazi you are. Careers have been ruined because of this slander, public policy warped. So yes, by all means let's condemn facile Hitler comparisons on the right, too. But liberals can spare us their sudden outrage. It rings awfully hollow.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I apologise but I couldnt find that letter in english.... jeeeesus.. dont be so sensitive people will ya!

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]The Bush-Cheney reelection campaign has sent a detailed plan of action to religious volunteers across the country asking them to turn over church directories to the campaign, distribute issue guides in their churches and persuade their pastors to hold voter registration drives.

Campaign officials said the instructions are part of an accelerating effort to mobilize President Bush (news - web sites)'s base of religious supporters. They said the suggested activities are intended to help churchgoers rally support for Bush without violating tax rules that prohibit churches from engaging in partisan activity.

"We strongly believe that our religious outreach program is well within the framework of the law," said Terry Holt, spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign.

But tax experts said the campaign is walking a fine line between permissible activity by individual congregants and impermissible activity by congregations. Supporters of Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, charged that the Bush-Cheney campaign is luring churches into risking their tax status.

"I think it is sinful of them to encourage pastors and churches to engage in partisan political activity and run the risk of losing their tax-exempt status," said Steve Rosenthal, chief executive officer of America Coming Together, a group working to defeat Bush.

The instruction sheet circulated by the Bush-Cheney campaign to religious volunteers lists 22 "duties" to be performed by specific dates. By July 31, for example, volunteers are to "send your Church Directory to your State Bush-Cheney '04 Headquarters or give [it] to a BC04 Field Rep" and "Talk to your Pastor about holding a Citizenship Sunday and Voter Registration Drive."

By Aug. 15, they are to "talk to your Church's seniors or 20-30 something group about Bush/Cheney '04" and "recruit 5 more people in your church to volunteer for the Bush Cheney campaign."

By Sept. 17, they are to host at least two campaign-related potluck dinners with church members, and in October they are to "finish calling all Pro-Bush members of your church," "finish distributing Voter Guides in your church" and place notices on church bulletin boards or in Sunday programs "about all Christian citizens needing to vote."

The document was provided to The Washington Post by a Democrat. A spokesman for the Internal Revenue Service (news - web sites), Frank Keith, said, "It would be inappropriate for the IRS, based on a limited set of facts and circumstances, to render a judgment about whether the activities in this document would or would not endanger a church's tax-exempt status."

He pointed out, however, that the IRS on June 10 sent a strongly worded letter to both the Republican and Democratic national committees, reminding them that tax-exempt charitable groups "are prohibited from directly or indirectly participating or intervening in any political campaign on behalf of, or in opposition to, any candidate for public office."

That warning came one week after The Post and other news media reported on a Bush-Cheney campaign e-mail that sought to identify 1,600 "friendly congregations" in Pennsylvania where Bush supporters "might gather on a regular basis."

The IRS letter noted that religious organizations are allowed to sponsor debates, distribute voter guides and conduct voter registration drives. But if those efforts show "a preference for or against a certain candidate or party . . . it becomes a prohibited activity," the letter said.

Milton Cerny, a tax specialist in the Washington office of the law firm Caplin & Drysdale who formerly administered tax-exempt groups for the IRS, said there is nothing in the campaign instructions "that on its face clearly would violate" the law.

"But these activities, if conducted in concert with the church or church leadership, certainly could be construed by the IRS as the church engaging in partisan electioneering," he said. "The devil is in the details."

Rosemary E. Fei, a tax specialist at the San Francisco law firm of Silk, Adler & Colvin, said the campaign checklist "feels dangerous to me" not just because of what is in it, but because of what is not. "There's no mention whatsoever that churches should be careful to remain nonpartisan," she said.

Holt suggested such warnings are unnecessary. "Why would we warn one citizen about the boundaries of their political discussion with another citizen?" he said.

And of course this:

Quote[/b] ]Tax Exempt Status

Churches and religious organizations, like many other charitable organizations, qualify for exemption from federal income tax under IRC section 501©(3) and are generally eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions.

To qualify for tax-exempt status, such an organization must meet the following requirements (covered in greater detail throughout this publication):

- the organization must be organized and operated exclusively for religious, educational, scientific, or other charitable purposes,

- net earnings may not inure to the benefit of any private individual or shareholder,

- no substantial part of its activity may be attempting to influence legislation,

- the organization may not intervene in political campaigns, and

- the organizations purposes and activities may not be illegal or violate fundamental public policy.

Churches Get Campaign Instructions

Quote[/b] ]Bush-Cheney '04 commits "an astonishing abuse of religion"

Campaign seeks to enlist tax-exempt congregations in campaign

Washington, June 2--Today, The Interfaith Alliance, denounced an initiative from the Bush-Cheney campaign seeking to enlist campaign support in 1600 "friendly congregations" in Pennsylvania.

"Whether or not this is legal, this is an astonishing abuse of religion," said the Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, President of the Interfaith Alliance. "It is the rawest form of manipulation of religion for partisan gain."

A member of The Interfaith Alliance (TIA) sent a copy of the e-mail she received from the Bush-Cheney campaign asking for volunteers to “serve as a coordinator in your place of worship.†A campaign spokesperson in Pennsylvania admitted to Rabbi Jack Moline, a TIA board member that the email was from the campaign but had only been intended for central Pennsylvania. The spokesperson said that the Bush national headquarters in Virginia had apparently sent it out to others on their list.

"If ever there were a question about the real intent of expanding faith-based initiatives and promoting a presence of religion in government, this tactic puts it to rest," Rabbi Moline said. "The Bush-Cheney campaign has dropped any pretense of honoring the separation of church and state mandated by the Constitution, and puts in jeopardy the non-profit status of 1600 houses of worship by asking them to engage in partisan politics. The President should repudiate this initiative immediately. 1600 Pennsylvania churches for 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. How clever. How reprehensible."

The nation's largest interfaith organization, TIA represents more than 150,000 members from more than 75 faith traditions including Christians, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, and others. TIA promotes the positive, healing role of religion in public life and serves as a progressive voice against the divisive actions of the radical religious right.

"I am disappointed that any campaign would attempt to promote a partisan agenda through churches,†said the Rev. Gary L. Harke, Executive Director, Pennsylvania Council of Churches. “We know that Pennsylvania voters will likely play a decisive role in the outcome of the presidential elections in November, and we encourage people of faith--as individuals--to put their values to work for the common good. But congregations should participate only in non-partisan efforts to register voters and encourage civil debate."

“I am troubled by this invitation," said Bishop A. Donald Main, Upper Susquehanna Synod - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and President, Pennsylvania Council of Churches. "We are concerned that this may be an inappropriate mixture of a political campaign in the lives of our congregations. We underscore our commitment to maintaining religious values in a campaign without crossing the clear line between religion and politics.â€

“Sadly, the Bush campaign is willing to jeopardize churches’ tax exempt status, by asking them to endorse his candidacy," said Rabbi Gregory S. Marx, Congregation Beth Or, and Treasurer of the Southeast Pennsylvania Interfaith Alliance (SEPIA). "This is one further step, way past Bush's 'Faith Based Initiatives' towards blurring the necessary and historic lines separating church and state.â€

[Schoeler 0]

Frickin brain-washed idiots!

[walker 0]

Hi all

Once again the NeoConMan front that has faked its way into control of the US Republican party has been caught cheating US elections.

Quote[/b] ]GOP Consultant Admits Dirty Trick

(AP) The former head of a Republican consulting group has pleaded guilty to jamming Democratic telephone lines in several New Hampshire cities on Election Day two years ago.

The jamming involved more than 800 computer-generated calls and lasted for about 1 1/2 hours on Nov. 5, 2002, the day voters decided several races, including a close Senate contest between outgoing Gov. Jeanne Shaheen and GOP Rep. John E. Sununu, who won by fewer than 20,000 votes.

The lines that were jammed were set up so voters could call for rides to the polls. Democrats say the jamming was an organized, statewide effort that may have even affected the outcome of some local races.

My use of bold in last paragraph

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/01/politics/main627138.shtml

Election cheating common under the NeoConMan wing

The vote fixing tendancy of those of the NeConMan wing that has conned its way into control of the US Republican party is rather reminicent of the methods seen in Haliburton. The source of the polution of the US Republican parties body politic is not hard to guess.

Cheating by Haliburton

Haliburton, which under the Foul Mouthed Dodgy Dick Cheyney went bust, was rescued from oblivion when its former chief became US Vice president and it got billions of Dollars worth of contracts without winning them in an open market. Haliburton has since been caught conning the US tax payer and American Soldiers out of millions in what has been found to be a standard practice for the company since Dodgy Dick Cheyney controled the company.

The Devisive Nature of the Bush/Cheyney NeoConMan presidency

Since Dodgy Dick Cheyney's NeoConMan wing took control of the US Republican Party politics in the US has been increasingly divisive. Many are saying the Bush/Cheyney presidency has been the most divisive time in the US since the Civil War. That it is happening in a time of grave national chrisis is leading many in the the Conservative wing of the US Republican party to question how the NeoConMan coup that conned them out of their party took place.

The Democrats would point to the tendancy for cheating at elections that has become so prevalent in Bush/Cheyney NeoConMan period.

That Cheating at elections is one of the reasons the US is so divided. The next US elections in 2004 will have to be a clean if the US is to recover from the disasterous divisions of Bush/Cheyney NeoConMan presidency.

Kind Regards Walker

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Wrong. Everyone's wrong. You, too.

It is in his ad, so we are allowed. Not wrong.

It´s his ad. It´s presidentially authorized, so to say.

and from your link:

Quote[/b] ]Meanwhile, a host of liberal and leftist intellectuals and journalists routinely compare Bush's America to Hitler's Germany in far more direct ways than the Bush ad. Last September, Vanity Fair ran a photo of Richard Perle alongside a photo of Josef Goebbels. Sheldin Wolin wrote in the Nation that the GOP was Nazifying before our eyes. And of course, one cannot swing a digital cat on the internet without finding pictures of George Bush in Nazi garb and Hitler's twee mustache.

Why do they hate America so much ?

And why does Bush hate America so much ?

Or can´t he come up with something better than comparing himself to Hitler ?

[Akira 0]

Reps Request UN Monitors...

Quote[/b] ]US lawmakers request UN observers for November 2 presidential election

Fri Jul 2, 2:22 AM ET

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - Several members of the House of Representatives have requested the United Nations (news - web sites) to send observers to monitor the November 2 US presidential election to avoid a contentious vote like in 2000, when the outcome was decided by Florida.

Recalling the long, drawn out process in the southern state, nine lawmakers, including four blacks and one Hispanic, sent a letter Thursday to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) asking that the international body "ensure free and fair elections in America," according to a statement issued by Florida representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, who spearheaded the effort.

"As lawmakers, we must assure the people of America that our nation will not experience the nightmare of the 2000 presidential election," she said in the letter.

"This is the first step in making sure that history does not repeat itself," she added after requesting that the UN "deploy election observers across the United States" to monitor the November, 2004 election.

The lawmakers said in the letter that in a report released in June 2001, the US Commission on Civil Rights "found that the electoral process in Florida resulted in the denial of the right to vote for countless persons."

The bipartisan commission, they stressed, determined "that the 'disenfranchisement of Florida's voters fell most harshly on the shoulders of black voters' and in poor counties." Both groups vote predominantly Democratic in US elections.

The commission also concluded, the lawmakers added, that "despite promised nationwide reforms (of the voting system) ... adequate steps have not been taken to ensure that a similar situation will not arise in 2004 that arose in 2000."

Thirty-six days after the November 7, 2000 presidential election, after several state court interventions and vote recounts in numerous Florida counties, the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of Republican George W. Bush, awarding him all of Florida's 25 electoral votes.

The ruling tipped the balance against Democratic contender and then vice president Al Gore (news - web sites), who with 267 electoral votes lost to Bush's 271, only one more than the minimum 270 needed to clinch the presidential election.

Saw F 9/11 last night. Pretty much filled me with lots and lots of rage. I'm still processing it all really. My wife was crying several times, especially at the pictures of wounded Iraqis...

[Balschoiw 0]

Haha that´s great . UN watchdogs for "the worlds finest democracy"

Well, it´s seems to be necessary though

[walker 0]

Hi all

J. F. Kerry is now the favourite among lobbyists to win the 2004 presedential election. In a significant sign of the winds of change more and more democrats are being hired by the lobbyist firms.

Even that suposed bastion of Republican lobbyists the 'K Street Project' has fallen to the democrats leaving many Republican lobbyists joining America's Record Bush/Cheyney Unemployment Queues

Quote[/b] ]After a long hiring drought, Democrats are coming back into vogue on K Street.

The latest sign came yesterday when the Motion Picture Association of America chose a Democrat -- former Kansas congressman and agriculture secretary Dan Glickman -- to succeed its president of 38 years, Jack Valenti.

The recent selection of Glickman and several other Democrats for prominent lobbying jobs indicates a waning of the vaunted power of the "K Street Project," whose goal was to transform Washington's persuasion industry into a Republican bastion. It's also a tip-off that people who make their livings watching government and politics are keeping close tabs on the horse race that is election 2004.

Author and lobbying scholar Michael D. Watkins likens the recent uptick in Democratic employment to a military tactic called "forward placement of supplies." Lobbying managers, anticipating a possible switch in partisan leadership, are simply planning accordingly, he said. "It's also a market indicator of what's going to happen in the election," Watkins added. "People are looking at the tea leaves, and maybe they're beginning to hire from both parties just in case there's a Kerry administration."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21972-2004Jul1.html

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Reps Request UN Monitors...

They should not be bitchin about Florida because Gore could of won if he won his HOME STATE...how the fuck he lose that....

Quote[/b] ]Saw F 9/11 last night. Pretty much filled me with lots and lots of rage. I'm still processing it all really. My wife was crying several times, especially at the pictures of wounded Iraqis...

You know you should not that amount of rage because that can affect your health....

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]You know you should not that amount of rage because that can affect your health....

Am I the only one having problems to understand this sentence ?

[denoir 0]

Perhaps not entirely relevant, but...

Colin Powell Sings Village People's 'YMCA' [FOXNews]

 

[sputnik monroe 102]

The politicians who are asking the UN to meddle in our nation's political system should  be tried for treason.

   Any one who swears fealty and allegiance to the United Nations rather than the land of their birth is a whore and a traitor. I have nothing but contempt and loathing for them.

    The same goes for all the fools out there who don't understand the electoral college system. Yes it does work, the popular vote is nothing more than mob rule. The electoral college keeps California, Texas, and New York from making all the decisions.

[denoir 0]

The politicians who are asking the UN to meddle in our nation's political system should  be tried for treason.

   Any one who swears fealty and allegiance to the United Nations rather than the land of their birth is a whore and a traitor. I have nothing but contempt and loathing for them.

Saddam had very similar opinions

Quote[/b] ] The same goes for all the fools out there who don't understand the electoral college system. Yes it does work, the popular vote is nothing more than mob rule. The electoral college keeps California, Texas, and New York from making all the decisions.

You mean letting the American people decide who their president should be?

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Am I the only one having problems to understand this sentence ?

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!! It should....You know you should not hold that amount of rage inside of you because that can effect your health....

[ran 0]

Yes it does work, the popular vote is nothing more than mob rule. The electoral college keeps California, Texas, and New York from making all the decisions.

If it wasn't for California, Texas, New York and Washington, the USA would look somewhat like my garden .... a huge wasteland

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]If it wasn't for California, Texas, New York and Washington, the USA would look somewhat like my garden .... a huge wasteland

I feel offended by this....

[ran 0]

Quote[/b] ]If it wasn't for California, Texas, New York and Washington, the USA would look somewhat like my garden .... a huge wasteland

I feel offended by this....

Iwas kidding, I guess I forgot the smilleys

[ralphwiggum 6]

denoir, I know you want to be the ruler of the world, but you gotta adjust to people voting for you.

Bush's outreach program...

http://www.cnn.com/2004....ex.html

Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush, seeking to mobilize religious conservatives for his reelection campaign, has asked church-going volunteers to turn over church membership directories, campaign officials said on Thursday.

In a move sharply criticized both by religious leaders and civil libertarians, the Bush-Cheney campaign has issued a guide listing about two-dozen "duties" and a series of deadlines for organizing support among conservative church congregations.

A copy of the guide obtained by Reuters directs religious volunteers to send church directories to state campaign committees, identify new churches that can be organized by the Bush campaign and talk to clergy members about holding voter registration drives.

The document, distributed to campaign coordinators across the country earlier this year, also recommends that volunteers distribute voter guides in church and use Sunday service programs for get-out-the-vote drives.

[walker 0]

The politicians who are asking the UN to meddle in our nation's political system should  be tried for treason.

   Any one who swears fealty and allegiance to the United Nations rather than the land of their birth is a whore and a traitor. I have nothing but contempt and loathing for them.

    The same goes for all the fools out there who don't understand the electoral college system. Yes it does work, the popular vote is nothing more than mob rule. The electoral college keeps California, Texas, and New York from making all the decisions.

Hi Sputnik Monroe

Remit of the UN

The UN is alowed to monitor elections in any nation that has signed up to its treaties which the US has.

Disobeying your Goverment is treason

Your house of Representatives may make any request they wish they are part of your government, unless you are a traitor.

Nothing to hide then there is nothing to Fear

If you (read the NeConMen) have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear from having an election that in the 2000 was proven to be illegaly and unconstitutionaly fixed monitored to prevent it happening again.

How the Florida elections were fixed

I will state the facts

In 1998

Choicepoint a GOP company is hired to fix the elections

The Republican-Dominated Legislature Passes a "Reform" Law to eliminate ineligable voters. Choicepoint/DBT are hired by the state to do the Job. This is the first time that a state has handed over the regulation of voter rolls to a private corporation.

Prominent Republican Frank Borman was Chairman of the Board at DBT. A board Shared with Ken Langone, Bernie Marcus, Howard Safir and Vin Weber all GOP verterans.

Katherine Harris head of the Bush presidential campaign in Florida

Next we see Katherine Harris, Secretary of State, Election Supervisor and eventualy head of the Bush presidential campaign in Florida; in 1999 DBT gave Harris a list of 8,000 fellons to scrub from the voters register.

Harris wanted more so Harris expanded the list to include voters who shared the same Birthday with these fellons. Harris wanted more so Harris expanded the list to include voters who shared the same surname with these fellons.

The NeoConWomans's Con

With these criterion DBT now gave Harris a list of 58,000 Florida voters. Harris ordered all of those be removed from the voter roll without verification of the accuracy of the list.DBT itself admited a 15% error rate that is 8,700 voters; Gore "Lost" by only 537 votes.

Since then independant investigators have discovered the list is 95% plain wrong. That means 55,100 Florida voters were Disenfranchised by the the Head of the Bush Campaign in Florida.

So for this is Harris in Jail? Is she Censured? Is she dismissed? No She is Congresswoman Katherine Harris Elected in 2002 by the very rules she set.

Electoral College 101

As you dont seem to know how the electoral college works. I thought I would give you a quick lesson.

A sort of electoral college 101.

What they do:

The electors meet on a day in December, often in their state capitals, and by custom or law vote for their party's choice for president and vice president.

How it's made up:

Each state has as many votes in the Electoral College as the total of its senators and representatives in Congress.

How it works:

In most cases, the candidate who wins the highest number of popular votes in a state gets all of that state's electoral votes.

In other word all 25 votes of the state of florida should have gone to the Democrats.

The Electoral College would if the Florida vote had not been fixed as described have given Gore a landslide victory.

It's called the "electoral college". Learn about it.

Kind Regards Walker

[sputnik monroe 102]

Salutations Walker.

I know damn well how the electoral college works. Your type ( read the neo-socialist liars, (since we are calling names)) always throw out these stories of how the election was rigged and illegal. I just don't buy into that, I've read over the past four years probably twenty some articles, studies, and statistic sheets on the 2000 election. Every single one "proves" the side who commissioned the study won.

Quote[/b] ] Your house of Representatives may make any request they wish they are part of your government, unless you are a traitor.

In America we are the government. The government serves us unlike in Europe where you serve your leaders, our leaders are supposed to serve us. True it isn't that way in practice any more but I just thought I would correct your error.

As for being a traitor? In the United States you swear loyalty to the constitution, not politicians. So to disobey or rebuke a politician isn't necessarily treason. I especially don't think it's treason to disobey when the said politician is consorting with foreign powers and thus threatening your nations sovernty.

I don't trust the UN. Letting a club that is made of villains and rogues many of which are out and out enemies get their foot in on your nation's election? Sorry I'll pass.

[denoir 0]

   In America we are the government. The government serves us unlike in Europe where you serve your leaders, our leaders are supposed to serve us. True it isn't that way in practice any more but I just thought I would correct your error.  

LMAO. Yeah, that's why we, the people elect our politicians democratically, while you don't.

But please go on, I havn't heard such silly neo-fascist ideology a long time - you're quite entertaining.

Quote[/b] ]As for being a traitor? In the United States you swear loyalty to the constitution, not politicians.

How Sovietesque. We don't swear loyalty to anybody. Yepp, that's right, here we don't glorify the state with such bullshit as the "pledge of allegiance". Our constitutions are a social contract between the individual and the state; nothing more, nothing less.

You should read about it. It's called a modern democracy.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I love this. Nothing like celebrating the 4th by watching the single greatest threat to my country get trounced by a Swede

(you're still wrong about the constitution though )

[walker 0]

Your type ( read  the neo-socialist liars, (since we are calling names)) 

Hi Sputnik Monroe

One thing I am a Practical Anarchist not some lily livered socialist. I have placed it on the record in many threads on this forum.

Otherwise I welcome your fervently held views and will be happy to continue to correct them.

As Denoir already said you swore allegiance to your country, its flag  and its constitution and under that constitution your duly elected representatives; at school you did it every morning. May I suggest you follow the requirements of your oath of fealty and accept as legal any of the requirements of the constitution's duly democratically elected representatives. That way you will not break your oath of fealty.

Sir the facts I placed before everyone here are correct if you would care to refute them then please do but do not tell me you have counter proof and then fail to show it. As my old granddad used to say that is 'all mouth and no trousers' the allusion being to the king with no clothes.

The UN sir is like any representative body composed of people some are bad some good. The present UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan I would characterize as one of the best we have had since it began.

The Republican Party has good people in it and bad I contrast the likes those of the traditional Republican party to those in the NeoConMan wing who I would liken to the Bolsheviks who subverted the Russian revolution and are just as dangerous as them and have already lead by demagoguery the US into a period Soviet style state control.

If you want to live in a state controlled NeoConMan Bush/Cheney Presidency then why not go live in China and let the rest of the US become free once more?

I look forward to the day when the Republicans retake their party from that bunch of Fakers the NeoConMen.

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]As Denoir already said you swore allegiance to your country, its flag  and its constitution and under that constitution your duly elected representatives; at school you did it every morning. May I suggest you follow the requirements of your oath of fealty and accept as legal any of the requirements of the constitution's duly democratically elected representatives. That way you will not break your oath of fealty.

You did not have to say the allegiance but you have to stand....

Quote[/b] ]

The Republican Party has good people in it and bad I contrast the likes those of the traditional Republican party to those in the NeoConMan wing who I would liken to the Bolsheviks who subverted the Russian revolution and are just as dangerous as them and have already lead by demagoguery the US into a period Soviet style state control.

If you want to live in a state controlled NeoConMan Bush/Cheney Presidency then why not go live in China and let the rest of the US become free once more?

I look forward to the day when the Republicans retake their party from that bunch of Fakers the NeoConMen.

You can say that about the Democratic party......