The Iraq thread 3

[quicksand 0]

Not from the hosptial point of view:

Quote[/b] ]...But hospital sources said of the 28 people seriously wounded in the clashes, only six of them appeared to be militiamen.

I am extremly skeptical at US reports of Resistance casualties.

Especially after the Samara incident,when they claimed they were attacked by a force of 60 insurgents in "black clothing" Saddam`s Fedayeen,and managed to kill atleast 54.Civillians from the scene reported US soldiers fired indiscriminatly.When asked what happend to the bodies of the insurgents,Kimmitt said they were carried away by the remaining insurgents.

That cought immidiatly media attention as it ment 6 insurgents carried 54 bodies   .At the morgue there were only 8 civillian bodies most of them pilgrims from Iran.

Fact is it`s extremly easy to fabricate this numbers.No one can verfiy them except hospital directors,and the numbers are immidiatly taken for granted by news media

[quicksand 0]

Would you have ever guessed.There is another side of the blogspots.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

Quote[/b] ]Of Chalabi, Flags and Anthems...

There are two different kinds of strain. There's the physical strain of carrying 40 pails of water up and down the stairs to fill the empty water tank on the roof- after the 4th or 5th pail of water, you can literally see your muscles quivering under your skin and without the bucket of water, your arms somehow feel weightless- almost nonexistent. Then there's mental strain… that is when those forty buckets of water are being emptied in your head and there's a huge flow of thoughts and emotions that threaten to overwhelm you.

I think everyone I know is suffering from that mental strain. You can see it in the eyes and hear it in the taut voices that threaten to break with the burden of emotion. We're all watching things carefully and trying to focus on leading semi-normal lives all at once. The situation in the south seems to be deteriorating and we hear of fresh new deaths every day. Fighting has broken out in Falloojeh again and I'm not quite sure what has happened to the ceasefire. It's hard to know just what is going on. There's a sense of collective exhaustion in the air.

I've been reading articles about Chalabi being (very hopefully) on his way out. I can't believe it took this long for Washington to come to the conclusion that he is completely useless. Did anyone there actually believe he was going to be greeted as the leader of a new era? We were watching him carefully during the last few weeks, trying to see what he would do or say during the attacks on Falloojeh and all the fighting in the south. That was a crucial time… we were waiting for some reaction from the Puppets- any reaction. Some condemning words… some solidarity with the Iraqis being killed and left homeless and there was a strange sort of silence. One of them threatened to step down, but that was only after outraged Iraqis showed an inclination to eat them alive if something wasn't done about the situation…

Chalabi has only lately ventured out from under his rock (in the usual flashy tie) to cry out that Lakhdhar Il Braheimi, the special UN representative sent by Kofi to check out the possibility of elections, is completely and totally biased against Shi'a. So now Chalabi seems to consider himself a champion of Shi'a everywhere in Iraq. The amusing thing about this is the fact that, apparently, no one has told Chalabi that he has become the joke of the Shi'a community. We (Sunnis and Shi'a) tease each other with things like, "So… the Shi'a man of the moment is Chalabi, ah?!" and the phrase is usually received with an indignant outcry and a comparison of the man of the moment to… Britney Spears, for example.

I stare at him when he gives his speeches on television and cringe with the thought that someone out there could actually have thought he was representative of any faction of Iraqi society. I can hardly believe that he was supposed to be the one to target the Iraqi intellectuals and secularists. He's the tasteless joke Bush and Co. sent along with the soldiers and tanks to promote democracy- rather like one of those plastic blowup dolls teenage boys practice dancing with before the prom.

I also heard today that the Puppets are changing the flag. It looks nothing like the old one and at first I was angry and upset, but then I realized that it wouldn't make a difference. The Puppets are illegitimate, hence their constitution is null and void and their flag is theirs alone. It is as representative of Iraq as they are- it might as well have "Made in America" stitched along the inside seam. It can be their flag and every time we see it, we'll see Chalabi et al. against its pale white background.

For the coming national anthem, may I suggest Chalabi, Allawi, Hakeem and Talbani in a gaudy, Iraqi version of "Lady Marmalade"?

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There has been a lot of criticism about the way Al-Arabia and Al-Jazeera were covering the riots and fighting in Falloojeh and the south this last week. Some American spokesman for the military was ranting about the "spread of anti-Americanism" through networks like the abovementioned.

Actually, both networks did a phenomenal job of covering the attacks on Falloojeh and the southern provinces. Al-Jazeera had their reporter literally embedded in the middle of the chaos- and I don't mean the lame embedded western journalists type of thing they had going at the beginning of the war (you know- embedded in the Green Zone and embedded in Kuwait, etc.). Ahmed Mansur, I believe his name was, was actually standing there, in the middle of the bombing, shouting to be heard over the F-16s and helicopters blasting away at houses and buildings. It brought back the days of 'shock and awe'...

I know it bothers the CPA terribly to have the corpses of dead Iraqis shown on television. They would love for Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabia to follow Al-Hurra's example and show endless interviews with pro-occupation Iraqis living abroad and speaking in stilted Arabic. These interviews, of course, are interspersed with translated documentaries on the many marvels of... Hollywood. And while I, personally, am very interested in the custom leather interiors of the latest Audi, I couldn't seem to draw myself away from Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabia while 700+ Iraqis were being killed.

What I'm trying to say is that we don't need news networks to make us angry or frustrated. All you need to do is talk to one of the Falloojeh refugees making their way tentatively into Baghdad; look at the tear-stained faces, the eyes glazed over with something like shock. In our neighborhood alone there are at least 4 families from Falloojeh who have come to stay with family and friends in Baghdad. The stories they tell are terrible and grim and it's hard to believe that they've gone through so much.

I think western news networks are far too tame. They show the Hollywood version of war- strong troops in uniform, hostile Iraqis being captured and made to face "justice" and the White House turkey posing with the Thanksgiving turkey... which is just fine. But what about the destruction that comes with war and occupation? What about the death? I don't mean just the images of dead Iraqis scattered all over, but dead Americans too. People should *have* to see those images. Why is it not ok to show dead Iraqis and American troops in Iraq, but it's fine to show the catastrophe of September 11 over and over again? I wish every person who emails me supporting the war, safe behind their computer, secure in their narrow mind and fixed views, could actually come and experience the war live. I wish they could spend just 24 hours in Baghdad today and hear Mark Kimmett talk about the death of 700 "insurgents" like it was a proud day for Americans everywhere...

Intresting read..

Wanna bet she won`t be getting any coverage from usatoday.com ?

BTW the old flag is way before Saddam`s regime.He just added the words "God is great"

The red was for the martyrs, the black for the industry, the green for the farmers and the white for the future.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]And Najaf,the peace negotiations are over,what cought my attention was the "anti-aircraft position".Does the Resistance have this kind of heavy weaponry?

Remeber the Marines in Fallujah asked the insurgents to give up all their heavy weapons as apart of the agreement.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....iraq_44

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The battles in the south Monday evening took place on the east side of the Euphrates River, across from Kufa and Najaf, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said.

The first fight came in the afternoon, when Shiite militiamen opened fire on a U.S. patrol. In the ensuing firefight, seven insurgents were killed. Hours later, a M1 tank was attacked with rocket-propelled grenades. A heavy battle erupted, during which warplanes destroyed an anti-aircraft gunbelonging to the militia and 57 gunmen were killed, Kimmitt said.

Quote[/b] ]Fact is it`s extremly easy to fabricate this numbers.No one can verfiy them except hospital directors,and the numbers are immidiatly taken for granted by news media

I have seen videos of insurgents wearing civilian clothes shooting at US troops. You take away the gun and they become civilians.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....iraq_dc

Quote[/b] ]Locals said aircraft had destroyed a militia checkpoint outside Kufa, 10 km (six miles) from Najaf, after a firefight. Staff at two nearby hospitals counted at least 23 dead and 34 wounded. Some of the casualties did not appear to be guerrillas.

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Quote[/b] ]Would you have ever guessed.There is another side of the blogspots.

Quote[/b] ]Actually, both networks did a phenomenal job of covering the attacks on Falloojeh and the southern provinces.

A phenomenal job? ...........................

[billybob2002 0]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/21/opinion/main612983.shtml

Quote[/b] ]The Al Jazeera Effect

Quote[/b] ]Upon modest examination, however, the evidence of Coalition inhumanity turns out to be a combination of half-truths and no-truths. For example, these networks reported that the Coalition dropped a JDAM on a mosque in Falluja. This much is true, however many news sources failed to report why the bomb was dropped, or incorrectly stated that the action was unprovoked. In reality, anti-Coalition forces had overtaken the mosque, and were using the high ground of the minarets to fire on Coalition forces. The bomb was dropped to permit the Marines to breach one side of the mosque, and thereby to return order. By omitting any reference to the gunmen in the mosque, media outlets were able to neatly transform an act of self-defense on the part of the Marines into a purported violation of the Geneva Convention.

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The most damning evidence of Coalition forces targeting civilians comes in the form of eyewitness accounts, and pictures of the dead and wounded from the scene. However, even assuming the veracity of the witnesses, this evidence tells us little more than that women and children were hurt or killed, without clarifying who committed the acts, or why they were committed. This is because many of the eyewitnesses only claim to have seen the injured or dead, but not the shooting or the shooter. For example, an American reporter relayed to me what she thought was convincing evidence that the Coalition was targeting civilians. An eyewitness from Falluja informed her that his relative was shot in the streets by a sniper. The witness claimed that the shooter must have been a member of the Coalition, because the Coalition controlled all the high ground. But this premise was untrue: anti-Coalition forces had been using the minarets of mosques -- the highest ground in the city -- to conduct attacks. While there are some sophisticated snipers among the insurgents, many insurgents don't bother with the sites of the weapon, preferring to spray rounds in the hope that, insha Allah, the bullets will find their enemy. Given this poor technique, and the fact that insurgents occupied the high ground, the witness had provided no evidence as to who actually shot the relative. Yet this is precisely the sort of testimony which has been bandied about as authoritative proof of Coalition malfeasance.

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In a firefight over the weekend in the border town of Husaybah, insurgents used women and children as human shields to block mortar positions. Similar reports are beginning to come from Falluja, where the fighters chose to bring the fight into the city, and specifically into areas where women and children were likely to be in the hopes that the Americans would either not fire or would kill non-combatants.

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While telling half of the story is bad enough, there is substantial evidence that outlets like Al Jazeera are in fact acting in concert with terrorists to generate overtly false and misleading news reports. Colonel William Rabena, who commands the 2d Battalion, 3d Field Artillery Regiment Gunners in the Adhamiya region of Baghdad, related a scam coordinated between anti-Coalition elements and Al Jazeera in his area of operation. A gunman would go to the mosque, where Al Jazeera, as luck would have it, would be setting up. The man would open fire in order to draw fire from the Coalition. After he was inevitably taken down by the Coalition, a bystander would rush over to check his condition, and in the melee secret away the firearm. Al Jazeera then would swoop in for the story: Coalition guns down unarmed man in front of mosque! And as in Falluja, they would have the pictures to prove it.

Quote[/b] ]To secure long-term popular support and regional stability, the Coalition must do more than win militarily. Rather, they must find a way to overcome the Al Jazeera effect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117560,00.html

Quote[/b] ]The network also regularly airs footage of roadside bombs going off and other attacks on coalition forces, leading some to wonder if their crews are being tipped off in advance.

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And the U.S.-led coalition says it has documented 34 instances last week alone of Al Jazeera hyping, misreporting or distorting events in Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]Media experts say the coalition's criticism is valid and critics say the network may be fanning the flames of hatred against the United States.

[ralphwiggum 6]

at least AZ gets their ass over there, unlike some rightwing wacko news sites that yak about how things are going without actually being there.

whatever happened to PR dept? during Afghan war, US military(or DOD) had PR dept. to deal with these.

[denoir 0]

I have seen videos of insurgents wearing civilian clothes shooting at US troops. You take away the gun and they become civilians.

Absolutely, but you do understand that there are lots of civilians not carrying guns that live in Fallujah?

What did you expect from the guerillas? To wear red uniforms with bullseyes painted on them? Don't tell me you're asking for "fair play" in a war.

And while we both know that Rumsfeld is not a military genious, a three year old could figure out that this was the kind of warfare that an Iraqi resistance movement would wage. If you did not like it, then you should have not invaded.

Sure, it is a shitty position for the soldiers on the line as they can't distinguish friend from foe, but that's the situation. If you did not like those conditions then you should have not invaded.

Yes, the resistance wear civilian clothing, blend in with civilians and use civilian buildings. That does not mean that it is ok for you to without discrimination kill all civilians because some of them might be the enemy. Again, this is nothing that should come as a surprise and something you should have considered before invading.

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Quote[/b] ]Actually, both networks did a phenomenal job of covering the attacks on Falloojeh and the southern provinces.

A phenomenal job? ...........................

For one thing unlike most western media, they actually were there in the midst of the fighting.

Is AJ biased? Sure, it's quite biased. I think it's about an equal to FOX news. I absolutely think both should exist and that 'free press' should denote free press - not government approved press. The US government does not seem to agree with that as they cut off the access for AJ on a number of places (NYSE for instance). Not to mention that Pentagon has been nice enough to on several occasions in both Iraq as well as Afghanistan drop bombs on AJ offices (actually once it was a cruise missile, if I'm not mistaken).

[BoweryBaker 0]

You guys will probably flame on this but. I say we don't re build but supply whomever owns what we were going to rebuild with money so they can rebuild themselves. How are we going to stay there when the guerillas aren't all dead. There's no way we can kill them all. Al Qaeda just came to iraq to help. America has evidence of that. Now, I think that since we got the leader out of power the war should be over. No more killing, no more fighting it ends and we pull out. But you don't have to take my word for it. I mean what happens in a chess game, you take the king and game is over no matter who is left on the board. Here we are still going after the pieces and in this game there are alot of pawns. Thousands. We should just say game over.

[quicksand 0]

Quote[/b] ] How are we going to stay there when the guerillas aren't all dead

You can`t kill it.It`s vitally connected to the Iraqi population feelings.

Quote[/b] ]Al Qaeda just came to iraq to help.  America has evidence of that

They sure convinced me with the infamous letter.

A desperate plea for help coming from a one legged terrorist that seems to teleport hismelf from the Pakistan border to Fallujah then to Basra and after to Jordan in a heart beat.

Zarqawi failed.He wanted a civill war between the "sleepy sunnis" and the "shia traitors".The Fallujah siege and Al-Sadr uprising has managed to unite them as they never were before in history.

There is no doubt that some Al-Queda members are in Iraq after all the US invasion made the country a heaven for terrorists,but who are they helping?Al-Sadr condemned the Basra attacks that has the hallmarks of Al-Queda and he doesn`t want to have anything to do with them.

Quote[/b] ]We should just say game over.

You did:May 1 2003.One year later 500 US soldiers died and you face uprising both in the Shia and Sunni cities.

Quote[/b] ]But you don't have to take my word for it.  I mean what happens in a chess game, you take the king and game is over no matter who is left on the board.  Here we are still going after the pieces and in this game there are alot of pawns

Very romantic but guerilla war is nothing like chess,it`s tedious,costly,and you don`t even know who you are really fighting.You don`t make a move and expect the enemy to immidiatly answer or show himself.Instead a relative calm zone could become hell with roadside bombs and RPG flying everywhere in a moment.

And they did get the leader out.Saddam is roting in a prison while the Resistance is flourishing.What`s your point?

I think you have a very wrong view about the Resistance movement.

You see it`s nothing of the sort of what you have in Afghanistan.The talibans have a command chain structure because of their safe zone in the mountains where it`s extremly hard for US forces to get.

Whilist in Iraq it`s a lot more vulnerable.From US oficialls own words we know they are organisted in cells of 20 to 100 fighters.I can give you many examples:Mohammad Army,Green Brigade,Iraqi Elliberation Army,Al-Sadr Millitia and the list goes on and on.

If anything the Resistance is alot more like a Hydra from Greek Mythlogy.Fight it all you would like,cut as many heads as you want but as many heads will grow back.

Kill Al-Sadr,make him a martyr,and an inspiration for every Iraqi of defience to the occupation and you will be right back from where you started.

[quicksand 0]

http://www.punchbaby.com/media/gitfakt/clips/sick/DontLoot.wmv

This is a video that was made by PBS in their documantary "War truth&Consquences nicely showing America`s finnest on their job. The movie is 3 MB and belive me when I say it`s priceless.

Now we know how US army combats looting:

1. Yell at the Iraqis, then complain that they "don't understand".

2. Empty two clips worth of pistol rounds into the Iraqis' car

3. Run over the car with a tank not once but twice to make sure that it is completely destroyed

4. Yell "Tankers! Hooah!" to celebrate

5. Realize that the Iraqi whose car you just destroyed was (until you destroyed his car) a taxi driver, and now has no way to support his family.

BTW the infamous crime for which they paid so dearly loosing their only way of supporting their familly was to steal s pile of wood.

[bmgarcangel 0]

One thing.......

Frankly...its really not like that dude.....if you know american troops, they aren't that blood thirsty......

Heavy shelling reported in Fallujah at the moment.  CNN is talking about what possibly might be going on...well..they are talking about that we might have started to go into Fallujah.

[denoir 0]

Frankly...its really not like that dude.....if you know american troops, they aren't that blood thirsty......

Watch the video...

http://www.punchbaby.com/media/gitfakt/clips/sick/DontLoot.wmv

[bmgarcangel 0]

Already seen it...a small majority of American troops are like that. You know how many are arrested by mp's each week in Iraq and Afghanistan...you'd be surprised!

[quicksand 0]

Quote[/b] ]a small majority of American troops are like that

Are you sure about what you`ve said?That means atleast 51%..Don`t know about you but I find that extremly concerning!

Quote[/b] ]You know how many are arrested by mp's each week in Iraq and Afghanistan...you'd be surprised!

How many?I`ve never heared of such reports.It will be refreshing to hear they are actually doing something on those guilty of war crimes.

With the risk of being repetive last time I`ve read an AFP report of a US marine giving his name and telling how he shot an unarmed civillians in front of the eyes of his uncaring partners

[denoir 0]

Already seen it...a small majority of American troops are like that.  You know how many are arrested by mp's each week in Iraq and Afghanistan...you'd be surprised!

I think what is shown on the video is not unique, not for the soldiers of any country. You always have soldiers behaving like assholes and taking out their stress on the civilians. The relevant part is that the military organization that they work for does not tolerate this.

And these guys must be really stupid to let themselves be taped or the US military is looking the other way when such incidents occur. If they are punished and the military recognizes that destruction of private property is not tolerated then I'm fine with it. I'm however not at all convinced that it is the case.

[Badgerboy 0]

Already seen it...a small majority of American troops are like that.  You know how many are arrested by mp's each week in Iraq and Afghanistan...you'd be surprised!

I think what is shown on the video is not unique, not for the soldiers of any country. You always have soldiers behaving like assholes and taking out their stress on the civilians. The relevant part is that the military organization that they work for does not tolerate this.

And these guys must be really stupid to let themselves be taped or the US military is looking the other way when such incidents occur. If they are punished and the military recognizes that destruction of private property is not tolerated then I'm fine with it. I'm however not at all convinced that it is the case.

Well I've yet to see any reports on the FF incidents involving the British warrior/A 10 incident and the GR4/Patriot incident.

Just brush it under the carpet, their families won't mind.

[turms 0]

It seems that the assault to Fallujah has begun..

Quote[/b] ]Heavy fighting is taking place in the Iraqi town of Falluja for the second night running.

Fierce clashes are reported between US marines and Iraqi fighters, as US tanks and aircraft fired into the northern Golan part of the city.

Reports tell of flames rising from many buildings, and loudspeakers in parts of the town calling firefighters to work.

US forces say it is not an assault but that they are targeting positions that had earlier fired on Marines.

US says its not a assault, but sounds assault to me...

source: BBC

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Is AJ biased? Sure, it's quite biased. I think it's about an equal to FOX news. I absolutely think both should exist and that 'free press' should denote free press - not government approved press. The US government does not seem to agree with that as they cut off the access for AJ on a number of places (NYSE for instance). Not to mention that Pentagon has been nice enough to on several occasions in both Iraq as well as Afghanistan drop bombs on AJ offices (actually once it was a cruise missile, if I'm not mistaken).

HAHAHA...AJ is hell alot of more bias than fox news. Why is fox news bias in your opinion (others made answer)?

[Harnu 0]

AC-130 lites up Fallujah a little while ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/27/iraq.main/index.html

Quote[/b] ]An AC-130 gunship began pounding targets in the Iraqi city shortly before 10:30 p.m. (2:30 p.m. ET), a day after a major clash between Marines and insurgents...

So much for cease fires.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]So much for cease fires.

The US military did not break the cease fire but the insurgents broke it a long time ago.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....4

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The fighting erupted as a two-day extension to a cease-fire ended. Earlier in the day, U.S. aircraft dropped leaflets in the city of 200,000 people, calling on insurgents to surrender.

"Surrender, you are surrounded," the leaflets said. "If you are a terrorist, beware, because your last day was yesterday. In order to spare your life end your actions and surrender to coalition forces now. We are coming to arrest you."

[Harnu 0]

The US military did not break the cease fire but the insurgents broke it a long time ago.

Yes I know, but I havent heard of as heavy of fighting as today, and shelling it with an AC-130.  All I meant was that it looks like very little hope for that city right now. (As far as the negotiations they were working on goes)

[denoir 0]

HAHAHA...AJ is hell alot of more bias than fox news. Why is fox news bias in your opinion (others made answer)?

LOL! How about headlines like "American Hero" (the other day with Tillman). I have not seen AJ to come out with headlines like "Muslim Martyr" for somebody. If you want something about spreading hate, take a read of this article for instance:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92768,00.html

FOX news is a right-wing propaganda outlet. I read it most often to get a good laugh. They are biased as hell and make no attempt of hiding it. It is in the same class as the Soviet Pravda used to be.

It is just a megaphone for the neo-cons and it's not really trying to hide it.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

As much as I agree with you on the hardliner propaganda of Fox I must remind you that the article you posted is a "comment" not a "news-report". As you know those are two different things! A comment is meant to be subjective (and that is different than biased news-coverage). But awesome to read.

But eat this

Quote[/b] ]According to one study, titled "Misperceptions, The Media and The Iraq War," the reason why Americans are seemingly misinformed involves the popularity of the Fox News Network.

Released jointly by the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks in early October, the report revealed those who use Fox as their primary news source were "more likely than average to have misperceptions."

One misperception the report focused on included the belief that there was solid evidence demonstrating an Iraq-al Qaida relationship. The report also focused on the mistaken beliefs many Americans had that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq and that the majority of the world supported Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq. A staggering 80 percent of Fox viewers believed one of these misperceptions, and 45 percent believed all three.

On the other end of the spectrum, it was discovered that those who use PBS and NPR as their main news source were the least likely to believe these misperceptions. Only 23 percent believed one, and a barely noticeable 4 percent believed in all three.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]As much as I agree with you on the hardliner propaganda of Fox I must remind you that the article you posted is a "comment" not a "news-report".

Hardliner propaganda because fox news took more of a pro-american stand?

Quote[/b] ]FOX news is a right-wing propaganda outlet. I read it most often to get a good laugh. They are biased as hell and make no attempt of hiding it. It is in the same class as the Soviet Pravda used to be.

Do you know that some of their guests/hosts are liberal democrats? If they were a that kind of outlet, why would they let liberals have airtime on their station. Furthermore, why would they let people talk negatively about President Bush on their station. They even let 2004 presidental candidates come on their station to talk about themselves and why the people should vote for them.  

Quote[/b] ]the report revealed those who use Fox as their primary news source were "more likely than average to have misperceptions."

Bull-shit.

[Badgerboy 0]

I suppose the UK equivalent would be the 'Sun' newspaper. This paper can make up policies it has so much power. Worst thing is, it not even owned by a Briton.

[quicksand 0]

Billybob contrary to what you might belive,Al-Jazeera is one of the most unbiased news TV.Shocking for an Arab news TV and after seeing Kimmitt urging you to "change the channel" but that`s the way it it.

It always consults CNN,Reuters and AFP before posting news(as you can see at the bottom of the articles) and they usually refrain themselves from giving their own opinions usually quoting Iraqis( hospital directors,shias,sunnis) and US officials.

I hope the next time you start laughing and say AJ is biased you will bring something in support of your claim because right about now you are about as enlighting as Fox News.