Musharav escapes bomb blast.

[Apollo 0]

I dont like it ,don't like it at all.Now they want to kill Musharraf ,sure he isnt a very democratic leader ,but we know what the alternative is.A fundamentalistic goverment in a country with nuclear capabilety's. *shudders*

Yep ,it's Al-Qauida alright who's behind this ,and the goal of it is all to obvious ,and evil to.Pakistan is packed with muslim fundamentalists.And then there's also India.

Can anyone immagine the horror of a Fundamentalistic goverment in Islamabad?

edit: Oh ,it's his second ,he narrowly escaped one last week to.

[toadlife 3]

A friend of mine who worked under me as a student intern, who is from Pakistan told me that Musharraf, while technically a dictator, is as fair as dictators come. Pakistani's enjoy many 'western' freedoms. I echo your hope that the current government in Pakistan stays intact.

Fanatics with nukes is not a nice thought.

One thing to remember though - there are tons of non-fundamentalists living in Pakistan too, so Musharraf getting whacked doesn't neccesarily mean Al Qaeda will automatically take over.

[Apollo 0]

Quote[/b] ]One thing to remember though - there are tons of non-fundamentalists living in Pakistan too, so Musharraf getting whacked doesn't neccesarily mean Al Qaeda will automatically take over.

True ,but it makes it easier ,and especially if succesfull it would be a disaster.

[Pipski 0]

Weirdest damned thing. The day Saddam was nabbed the strange Chinese rolling news channel you can get through Sky reported an assassination attempt on Musharraf which I didn't read about / see described anywhere else. I thought that was a bit odd.

[python3 0]

yeah, it wouldn't be good if he died. Any way, it is a tragedy since 14 bystanders died

[Acecombat 0]

Hmm this is the second attack hes survived if you guys didnt knew.

I support the guy actually he might be that so called dictator for the WEST , (though its only a matter of perspective ). Still the guy is as moderate and logical a person you'll get , ys hes made some mistakes but he isn as corrupt as the previous bastards , who were utulizing that so called sham of a democracy for which some people cry elephant tears. The original Nawaz sharif regime and other political partys in Pakistan were downright corrupt keeping money for themselves all the aid went to theirSwissbankaccounts at least this guy has stabilized their economy from a crumbling nearly teetering on the brink of bankruptcy to a good position.

From what i have been hearing is that these attempts on his life arent from religious political rivals in pakistans political scene but from somewhere else , i know most of you will shove it aside as a conspiracy but people i met whom are Pakistanis tell me that since this guy was all for helping the US and has now done their 'bidding' by flushing afghanistan he might be 'terminated' by the US too just like Zia ul Haq the previous Army general who was killed in a rigged C-130 (which was said to be the handy work of CIA).They say now that hes useless to them he might be taken down since a powerful stable Nuclear pakistan isnt what probably america might like. According to some Pakistan will be the next US target in the next or even this decade on this ongoing war on terrorism , the main motive to dearm Paks Nukes , which probably bug america since its the only Islamic country to have them.

[EiZei 0]

If you look the dictators west has supported Musharav is one of the most sanest, not much of a title but still somewhat ethical compared to ie. plenty south american dictatorships.

[ralphwiggum 6]

oh the irony of times...

when Musharaf over threw the Pakistanis governement, US immediately condemned the action and imposed economical sanction, which was later lifted when US needs to enter Afghanistan....

Funny thing is when coup de 'tat(?) happened, i heard news that Pakistanese themselves were careless to both sides. there were articles that many Pakistanese were just viewing as something to watch, not as loss of their gov't.

kinda feel sad for the poor fella. if i were him ,i'd look for inside leek. presidential motorcade is not something you can pick out everyday and follow it.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]when Musharaf over threw the Pakistanis governement, US immediately condemned the action and imposed economical sanction, which was later lifted when US needs to enter Afghanistan....

LOL typical

Quote[/b] ]Funny thing is when coup de 'tat(?) happened, i heard news that Pakistanese themselves were careless to both sides. there were articles that many Pakistanese were just viewing as something to watch, not as loss of their gov't.

Would you care if someone threw off a corrupt democratic regime from your country , i would probably join.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]when Musharaf over threw the Pakistanis governement, US immediately condemned the action and imposed economical sanction, which was later lifted when US needs to enter Afghanistan....

LOL typical

even funnier thing is that when US imposed sanctions, not many criticized it. they had no stance of their own on the issue(overthrow), and most of all, didn't care.

and as soon as US lifts the sanctions, a good deal of those who were not interested in it suddenly came out crticizing US for reversing policy.

[toadeater 0]

If you look the dictators west has supported Musharav is one of the most sanest, not much of a title but still somewhat ethical compared to ie. plenty south american dictatorships.

The typical South American dictatorship didn't have nukes, or harbor Bin Laden. We should have invaded Pakistan instead of Iraq. I dunno what Bush is pretending he is doing in Iraq (stealing oil I guess?), when Pakistan is a genuine threat, full of WMD and terrorists.

If/when Al Qaeda finally succeeds in assassinated Musharraf, all hell is going to break loose over there and the US won't be in any position to do anything about those nukes thanks to all the wasted effort in Iraq.

Maybe India will just nuke them first.

[FSPilot 0]

Lets just all nuke each other and get it over with.

[ozanzac 0]

We should have invaded Pakistan instead of Iraq.

And start a Nuclear War. Nice, glad to see you thought about that one thoroughly.

How about, stop the gung-ho attitude to the world, keep to your own soil, and stop being so bloody paranoid that the world is out to get you. Newsflash, it's not, and it only is if you make it out to be, and if it is, it's probably your own bloody fault.

If amerca minded its own business in the first place, America probably wouldn't be in the shit America has found itself in lately.

[Acecombat 0]

If you look the dictators west has supported Musharav is one of the most sanest, not much of a title but still somewhat ethical compared to ie. plenty south american dictatorships.

The typical South American dictatorship didn't have nukes, or harbor Bin Laden. We should have invaded Pakistan instead of Iraq. I dunno what Bush is pretending he is doing in Iraq (stealing oil I guess?), when Pakistan is a genuine threat, full of WMD and terrorists.

If/when Al Qaeda finally succeeds in assassinated Musharraf, all hell is going to break loose over there and the US won't be in any position to do anything about those nukes thanks to all the wasted effort in Iraq.

Maybe India will just nuke them first.

You have a great future with the Bush Admin dude , sign up now and reap the benefits before the oppurtunity fades.

Pakistan is as much of a threat to america as i am to you .

You can keep WMD and even use them and do whatever , but others cant jee thats very nice and fair of you , take that mask of double standards off before rattling. I consider american the most dangerous country of the world with the worlds largest stockpile of all kinds of shit WMD and NBC weapons. Which th AA could use anytime giving a lame excuse to the world of some kind of National security.

@Ralph: Maybe were forgetting something , Ralph i think pak was already under sanctions at the time of the coup becoz of 1998's Nuke tests in Chagai wasnt it? So the sanctions never were lifted ? They lifted them just now.

[Apollo 0]

I would advice the U.S to send a small brigade of elite forces to protect Musharrav.If i would be the U.S president i wouldn't underestimate the danger of revolution in Pakistan.

[Acecombat 0]

I would advice the U.S to send a small brigade of elite forces to protect Musharrav.If i would be the U.S president i wouldn't underestimate the danger of revolution in Pakistan.

Haha now thats somthing Musharraf would never do , rmember hes a military dude a ex commando , he taks pride in the PA , besides th Pakis have quite a nice SSG squad themselves it ranks among the worlds top spec ops units i heard.

[Apollo 0]

Quote[/b] ]Haha now thats somthing Musharraf would never do , rmember hes a military dude a ex commando , he taks pride in the PA , besides th Pakis have quite a nice SSG squad themselves it ranks among the worlds top spec ops units i heard.

May be ,but 2 assasination attempts in 1 week is much ,and it shows that their are people in Pakistan that want Musharraf dead at all cost.It is believed that the last attack was organized by Al-quaida ,if the first was to then i wonder how many assasination attempts can Musharraf survive.If Al-Qauida will organize continues attempts to assasinate Musharraf then i fear they will succeed one day to.

[Acecombat 0]

Well yeah but do you think these assasination attempts are by Al Quaida?

Their capabilities havebeen seriously reduced after the war in afghanistan , plus attacking a president especially a army chief isnt a easy job its gotta be a inside job for sure , from what i can ascertain is that the guy isnt popular for his support for US in the country maybe its a internal thing and not a Al-quaida attack ..?

[Apollo 0]

Well ,on CNN (yes mind you CNN) you could read the following part in a report of the assasination

Quote[/b] ]Officials said it was too early to say who was behind the attack, but the most likely suspects are radical hardliners opposed to Musharraf's policy on Afghanistan, his crackdown on extremism and his efforts to reform Islamic schools, The Associated Press reported.

So basicly Muslim fundamentalists.The Madrassas (Islamic school's) have been a manpower pool for Al-Qauida for years.Muslim fundamentalism is popular in Pakistan ,among the population and even among many key figures in the Pakistani millitary.I remeber that at one point a year ago or so Musharraf made some drastic reorganiezations among the millitary command staff ,mainly ousting pro fundamentalist officers.

So if it's Al-Quaida or not directly Al-Qauida doing these assasinations ,if it's any Muslim-extremeist group then the effect is basicly the same.Political instabilety that might pave the way for a Fundamentalists Pakistan.

[toadlife 3]

@Ralph: Maybe were forgetting something , Ralph i think pak was already under sanctions at the time of the coup becoz of 1998's Nuke tests in Chagai wasnt it? So the sanctions never were lifted ? They lifted them just now.

Yes the sanctions were because of Pakistan's Nuclear testing. AFAIK, they had nothing to do with any govornment overthrow.

It made perfect sense to lift them when Pakistan started helping us in regards to Afghanistan and terrorism in general. It's called Quid Pro Quo.

[ralphwiggum 6]

oops correction. yes, it was imposed after nuke test. but i can stil assert that no one gave a damn about sanction until US lifted it.

[Acecombat 0]

oops correction. yes, it was imposed after nuke test. but i can stil assert that no one gave a damn about sanction until US lifted it.

Actually there was a very loud cry about this Ralph just before the day of the test

When Nawaz sharif made a public announcement that if sanctions come let them , we will not let ourselves be dictated or something ... he made a pretty long speech i remember

But yeah afetr that not much was thought about this until now still ,its stupid though to put a country like Pakistan under economic sanction while NK is free

[Apollo 0]

Pervez Musharraf ,a profile:

General Pervez Musharraf (born August 11, 1943) became ruler of Pakistan in 1999 following a bloodless coup.

Musharraf was born in 1943 in what is now India. He moved with his parents to Pakistan in 1947. He was trained as a commando and fought in two wars against India.

After rose to the rank of Chief General. As Army Chief of Staff, he seized power in a military coup d'état on October 12, 1999, placing Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif under house arrest. On December 22, 1998, the Pakistani government sent 30,000 troops to occupy the nation's power stations. This helped give the military control over the economy. He formally became President of Pakistan on June 20, 2001.

Musharraf is considered a moderate leader by Western governments because he is willing to deal with the West. He has been open to making economic reforms and to modernize Pakistan. He is considered to be secular, and his rise to power was marked by a widespread purge of Islamist elements within the military and security forces.

Following the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks Musharraf has worked closely with American President George W. Bush in the War on Terror.

On December 14, 2003, General Musharraf survived an assassination attempt when a powerful bomb went off minutes after his highly-guarded convoy crossed a bridge in Rawalpindi. It was the third such attempt during his 4 year rule.

11 days later, on December 25, 2003, two suicide bombers tried to assassinate Musharraf, but their car bombs failed to kill the President; 14 others nearby died instead. Musharraf escaped with only a cracked windshield on his car.

[Acecombat 0]

Well thats a very short profile

Got a extended version? or detailed i would be interested.

[Apollo 0]

I forgot to mention that it was a short profile.

ah well ,for extended preofile go here:

BBC profile on Musharraf

I couldn't find more extensive biography's on him though ,atleast not of non-questionable sources.