Northstar bison lav

[Sigma-6 29]

http://www.sonoranoise.com/wil/Bison.jpg

Carries 8 troops and sports a C6 7.62mm Light Machine Gun.

This is one of the standard Infantry Section Carriers of the Canadian Forces. It's being superseded however, by the LAV-III ISC, which is what the US Stryker is based on, except the LAV-III ISC has a 25mm Delco Bushmaster turret on it, and is capable of direct fire support. (as well as many other advantages over the US model)

This vehicle looks clean and new because we are trying to depict the CF at its cleanest and newest. . . (to reflect the obsession our NCOs have with that sort of BS. . .    )

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[coporal_punishment 0]

Wowwee this looks cool can't wait for it to be released, will you be making versions of other counties

[Sigma-6 29]

I'll be doing the Canadian ones.

I'll leave it to others to make other countries'.

[waffendennis 0]

Supreme.... Finally a Cool looking Troop carry but it's easy to make it in Other Versions to right? or not because i like to see more versions of it.. but it looks damned good

[Status_cz 0]

Looks really nice,good job

[tankieboy 0]

Does it 'swim' in RL or in OFP?

[Cloney 0]

Yes, someone should definitely make an "Inferior" US model.

[Sigma-6 29]

hehe. . . no worries, the US model is 'superior' to this version. . . just not to the other ones. . .

[Cloney 0]

In the words of blackdog...

"this will be a lovely, lovely new vehicle for the OFP community."

[Wick_105 0]

I SOOOOO LOVE YOU GUYS....I spent allmost all 6 months of my tour in bosnia in one of those....cant wait for it!!!

[hellfish6 7]

I always thought the Bison was a really cool vehicle. I know the US Army was going to buy some before the Stryker/Medium brigades were even on the drawing boards, but now, unfortunately, the Bison is getting replaced with the Stryker.

Still, though, if I ever have my own Army, I'll probably use Bison.

[Cloney 0]

Still, though, if I ever have my own Army, I'll probably use Bison.

*cringe*

What is the difference between the two vehicles?

[hellfish6 7]

Bison is a poor man's Stryker. I'm usually poor, so it'll probably work out well.

[robic 0]

Awesome work Sigma!

For those interested, here is some info on the Bison:

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-vehbiso.htm

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-vehbiso4.htm

[Sigma-6 29]

Funny, because the Stryker is a poor man's LAV-III (Kodiak), which is what the CF replaced the Bison with as an ISC. . .

[digitalcenturion 20]

Hmm.. i heard the Stryker atleast was a POS. And that might go partially for the LAV family of vehicles too. I'm not trying to fish for flames here, but that's what i've heard. And Carlton Meyer of G2mil (www.g2mil.com) and many others seem to agree the the stryker is inadeqate(SP?) and is inferior to the M113.

[hellfish6 7]

There's a big group of people that think the M113 should have been selected over the Stryker. I think they have a lot of good points, but most M113s we have now are nearing the end of their useful service life. Granted, an overhaul of the entire fleet would still probably be cheaper than buying Strykers, but you'd still have problems with them down the road.

Every once in a while, I do have faith in my former commanders. I think the Stryker was a good choice - and changing tires is a lot easier than changing track.

[Sigma-6 29]

Personally, I think they're dead wrong about the LAV series, and so does the Marine Corps.

Also personally, I would *not* have chosen the Stryker to replace the M113. It's a piece of flat-out junk. Place its specs alongside the Canadian version it was based on, and it simply doesn't stand up.

For example, (and this is just one example) a Canadian LAVIII doesn't need to call somebody else to kill the enemy for it; it's armed with a 25mm in a two-man turret like the LAV-25. It also has countless other advantages, not the least of which is the fact that the Delco turret is stabilized, so it can fire on the move. The stryker has to stop completely to fire its paltry, unaimable remotely controlled popgun.

Most of the argument against the LAV series comes from people with no experience with it, and little grasp of the inherent differences between the tracked and wheeled arguments. Also, whoever put together the specs for the Stryker must have been on crack, because they took *all* of the bite out of it in order to get it to fit into an outdated and obsolete transport aircraft.

As an example of the fallacy of the "Wheeled LAVs are more vulnerable to mines than tracked LAVs" argument, here's an article:

http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/dsafeg/pubs/ptrain/2-94/wheeled_e.asp

Trust me. . . an M113 running over that same mine is going to blow the crew to hell, just like in Vietnam. It's going to pop open like a tin can.

The foolishness of the "LAVdanger" arguments is the sad fact that they are formulated without the benefit of the 20-odd years of operational and combat experience the CF has with the series, and they are almost always dead wrong. Where they're not wrong, they point out faults common to both wheeled *and* tracked vehicles.

To reiterate, I agree that the Stryker is a POS, but only because it doesn't have any of the features that make the LAV series great. . . it's like a completely toothless LAV3. . . the stryker reminds me of a BTR-60 that can't engage the enemy on the move.

[hellfish6 7]

The C-130 may be obsolete, but we still have a lot of them, with no replacement coming anytime soon. I'd have preferred the straight old LAV-III as well, but ah well. So we have a high-tech APC instead of a high-tech IFV. It still beats walking for all those poor light infantry saps.

[Sigma-6 29]

lol. . . true, but the Canadian LAV-III carries just as many troops as the Stryker, and it's capable of defending itself. Also, it's arguable (and recent experience seems to prove it) that the Stryker is not air transportable in the C-130 with a roll-off capability anyway. . . so it mitigates its own advantage.

My opinion? You want to beat the Stryker for operational stability? mount an M2HB on a 5 ton.

[hellfish6 7]

LOL   So I don't suppose we could convince you, the premiere vehicle addon maker, to make a Stryker?

Some useful/cool Stryker links.

Main page

JRTC vids - click on Arrowhead Lighting II Exercise Video for a really cool movie.

[Sigma-6 29]

well . .. you'd be able to carry more troops too. . . the advantages are endless!

[Sigma-6 29]

first thing you could do then, is find me a 5-view line-drawing.

[NZXSHADOWS 0]

Where can I find any type of an LAV?

[DracoPaladore 0]

Where can I find any type of an LAV?

I dont think anyone has released any or even tried to make one considering that the game does not support wheeled vehicles with missles(or something along those lines)