Adding a Co-Pilot and 2nd Door Gunner to Blackhawk

[FetishFool 0]

It's too easy to shoot down the UH-60.

Just kill the pilot, then the thing goes down.

Since the Blackhawk is best at under 50 feet, the cargo won't have time to eject.

Is it THAT hard to give both UH-60's a Co-Pilot!?!?

No!

And we NEED a second door gunner. Like NEED!!!

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from FetishFool on 12:56 am on Dec. 25, 2001

Just kill the pilot, then the thing goes down.

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Well, yea this law of physics seems to apply to multiple helo's! :biggrin:

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from FetishFool on 7:56 am on Dec. 25, 2001

It's too easy to shoot down the UH-60.

Just kill the pilot, then the thing goes down.

Since the Blackhawk is best at under 50 feet, the cargo won't have time to eject.

Is it THAT hard to give both UH-60's a Co-Pilot!?!?

No!

And we NEED a second door gunner.  Like NEED!!!

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There will never be a second door gunner with the current OFP engine, since it doesn't support more than one person shooting from a vehicle.

[Thehamster 0]

Hey shooting the pilot is a fair tactic when some git it tring kill you in is AH64 and you aim carefully and put a bullet in his skull fron the ground is quite satisfying to see ti crash and the gunner eject wondering what the #### just happened to the pilot.

[FetishFool 0]

You serious Misterfrag?

Redstorm, the Co-Pilot is there in case the Pilot is having trouble flying the chopper. Eg: The pilot is dead.

Hamster, the Blackhawk is a utility chopper. So it's not designed to take heavy fire.

And if it does, it shouldn't lose all it's cargo just because the pilot died.

[Thehamster 0]

It don't have too losse it all you can just eject.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from FetishFool on 8:40 am on Dec. 25, 2001

You serious Misterfrag?

Redstorm, the Co-Pilot is there in case the Pilot is having trouble flying the chopper.  Eg:  The pilot is dead.

Hamster, the Blackhawk is a utility chopper.  So it's not designed to take heavy fire.

And if it does, it shouldn't lose all it's cargo just because the pilot died.<span id='postcolor'>

Absolutely. That's why you can't shoot from the back of a 5-ton truck, and why there are no firing ports in the BMP, for example.

I would imagine that this is being worked on, if for no other reason than VBS1.

[FetishFool 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Thehamster on 6:43 pm on Dec. 25, 2001

It don't have too losse it all you can just eject.

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Safe ejecting height for soldiers is at least 75 feet.

How often do you ever fly even 60 feet high?

@Mister Frag: That would explain why the Mark II's gun doesn't operate properly.

Sad. And I thought OPF's engine was limitless.

[Thehamster 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from FetishFool on 11:50 pm on Dec. 24, 2001

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Thehamster on 6:43 pm on Dec. 25, 2001

It don't have too losse it all you can just eject.

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Safe ejecting height for soldiers is at least 75 feet.

How often do you ever fly even 60 feet high?

@Mister Frag:  That would explain why the Mark II's gun doesn't operate properly.  

Sad.  And I thought OPF's engine was limitless.<span id='postcolor'>

I fly more than 60ft high most of the time I average about 90ft which gives me all the safety I need to fly and top speeds.

[MotherRussiaAK74 0]

Well the AI doesn't try to shoot choppers... not many human players I know do either..

[Thehamster 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from MotherRussiaAK74 on 12:56 am on Dec. 25, 2001

Well the AI doesn't try to shoot choppers... not many human players I know do either..<span id='postcolor'>

I shoot them or at least the area where the pilot is. It is a effective way of getting rid of them.

[Pete 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from MotherRussiaAK74 on 2:56 am on Dec. 25, 2001

Well the AI doesn't try to shoot choppers... not many human players I know do either..<span id='postcolor'>

yesterday i shot down a cobra with a ak74, i had a lucky shot and killed the pilot heheh

i always fire as i see them pass me, if i dont kill the pilot with a lucky shot i atleast damage the chopper a lil and possibly make him to fly somewhere else, or in the best case to slow down and point the nose towards me when he looks for the shooter (me)

(edit...i talk about online experiences, not singleplayer)

(Edited by Pete at 3:03 am on Dec. 25, 2001)

[FetishFool 0]

The AI always shoot at choppers.

Adding a co-pilot isn't a matter of the odds of the pilot getting killed. It's just something extra, if you want the extra safety.

A lot of the time, you have to fly lower than 15 feet to get away from Shilka fire when you're pilotting a Blackhawk.

[Die Alive 0]

I'd like to see co-pilots too, as well as both doors on the Blackhawk useable i.e: be able to enter the blackhawk cargo from both the left and right sides.  It pisses me off to see guys running around in front and behind a chopper when i'm being shot at while waiting for them to run around.  Cars and other vehicles have 2 sided cargo entry, why doesn't the Blackhawk.

-=Die Alive=-

[vitoal125 0]

I think it would be easy to add a 'co pilot'. tanks have commanders and you can change position from commander to driver/gunner, I think helos should have commanders that can also go to pilot/gunner. Would add some realism without much deviation required from the current method of things.

[Thehamster 0]

who would be the co pilot in sp you be dead so it would really matter and in mp who the #### would want just sit next to the pilot on he off chance that some one got a lucky shot off and killed him.

[Guest]

Try killing the pilot in any of the Russian helicopters

[Thehamster 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from RedStorm on 8:48 pm on Dec. 25, 2001

Try killing the pilot in any of the Russian helicopters <span id='postcolor'>

I just did and out of the 10 I tried I got 6 with my m16. There just as ripe targets if your a good shot. The other 4 times I got killed by them. And granted 2 of the 6 times I got crippled by them but not to bad I think.

[amos m 0]

Well on my copy the russian choppers windows are indestructable, unless you crash. So it's impossible to hit the pilot. I've even tried with them just sitting on the ground.

[Maldita Vecindad 1]

If you are fast enought you can change the position to pilot...... and try to save the chopper ........

But I wouldn't do that I better jump and try to escape with my broken legs.....

In real life if you're flying fast at 10 to 20 meters and the helopilot gets shot... 99% of the time the helo will crash...

[heyvern69 22]

As long as we're on this topic . . . have you guys tried using the door gun in a UH-60 in co-op multiplayer???

You can't hardly hit any foot soldiers with it, except by pure dumb luck, even if they are standing still. I had a LOT of enemy soldiers below in a fairly open field, and I couldn't hit any of them. (Well, maybe I injured one out of 20 that I shot at). But I haven't tried this since version 1.4, only 1.3. After that, I gave up trying to shoot foot soldiers with the UH-60 door gun in multiplayer.

[Thehamster 0]

The guy in the chinhook seems to be a good shot. I have been killed by one of the chinhook gunners tons of time.

[FetishFool 0]

When you're the cargo in SP, wouldn't you want a co-pilot?

When the chopper is landing in a hot-zone, the chopper can easily be shot down.

The side-gunner isn't used to shoot at targets while in transport. He's mainly used when the chopper is picking up it's cargo. It just provides powerful coverfire from the air in a stationary position.

[Thehamster 0]

Yeha I would like a co pilot but when your landing in a hot spot whats to stop them killing your co.

When shooting from the blackhawk it helps a #### of a lot if you not going full speed an ideal speed for shooting is about 70-100 km any thing over and it is almost usless to try and shoot at them

(Edited by Thehamster at 8:44 pm on Dec. 26, 2001)

[Die Alive 0]

In Vietnam, when US helicoptors were entering a hot area, the pilot and co-pilot would both be on the controls (one would do the flying, but the other would just be ready to take over if anything happens to the pilot).  The Blackhawk with rocket pods has a "co-pilot" seat taken up by the gunner, and he should be able to fly the aircraft if the pilot is shot.  But the Chinook is in need of a co-pilot the most, a large helicopter like that with only one pilot.  The seat is there, just put someone in it.

-=Die Alive=-