Akira 0 Posted May 9, 2003 Over Congo 120 soldiers wives and kids sucked out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted May 9, 2003 Sucks eh. Life is a bitch sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CuteQA 0 Posted May 9, 2003 geez......how could this happen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FuseBox 0 Posted May 9, 2003 see thats y i dont trust anything made by Russian's jk got to feel sry for em Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted May 9, 2003 Ouch, that's not a good way to go. At that altitude the pressure does some pretty freakish stuff to your body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major Gripe 0 Posted May 9, 2003 Would the pressure and oxygen deprivation kill you before the ground rushing up did? Also whats the highest someone has ever fallen from without a parachute and survived? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vade_101 0 Posted May 9, 2003 A Russian Airman Lt. I.M. Chisov whose Ilyushin IL-4 bomber was attacked by German fighters in January of 1942 fell nearly 22,000 feet, he hit the edge of a snow-covered ravine and rolled to the bottom. He was badly hurt but survived. Alan Magee, a gunner on a B-17 (aptly named Snap! Crackle! Pop! ) with the 303rd Bomb Group of the U.S. 8th Air Force, was on a mission to St. Nazaire, France in January of 1943, when his bomber was set aflame by enemy fire. He was thrown from the plane before he had a chance to put on his parachute. He fell 20,000 feet and crashed through the skylight of the St. Nazaire train station. His arm was badly injured, but he recovered from that and other injuries. In March of 1944, Nicholas Alkemade was the tail gunner in a British Lancaster bomber on a night mission to Berlin when his plane was attacked by German fighters. When the captain ordered the crew to bail out, Alkemade looked back into the plane and discovered that his parachute was in flames. He chose to jump without a parachute rather than to stay in the burning plane. He fell 18,000 feet, landing in trees, underbrush, and drifted snow. He twisted his knee and had some cuts, but was otherwise alright. And the highest ever was Vesna Vulovic was a stewardess on a Yugoslav DC 9 jet airliner that blew up in January of 1972 (probably as the result of a terrorist bomb). She fell more than 33,000 feet in the wreckage of the plane, which hit a snow-covered slope. The only survivor, she was badly injured and was paralyzed from the waist down, but later recovered and now can walk. (mostly fromhere) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted May 9, 2003 When Pan Am 103 blew up over Lockerbie...they found one of the stewardesses alive. She was trapped in teh part of the front and cockpit that we always see in pictures...looks like half of the nose laying down. But she died shortly after being found. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polishdude 0 Posted May 10, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (vade_101 @ 10 May 2003,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A Russian Airman Lt. I.M. Chisov whose Ilyushin IL-4 bomber was attacked by German fighters in January of 1942 fell nearly 22,000 feet, he hit the edge of a snow-covered ravine and rolled to the bottom. He was badly hurt but survived. Alan Magee, a gunner on a B-17 (aptly named Snap! Crackle! Pop! ) with the 303rd Bomb Group of the U.S. 8th Air Force, was on a mission to St. Nazaire, France in January of 1943, when his bomber was set aflame by enemy fire. He was thrown from the plane before he had a chance to put on his parachute. He fell 20,000 feet and crashed through the skylight of the St. Nazaire train station. His arm was badly injured, but he recovered from that and other injuries. Â In March of 1944, Nicholas Alkemade was the tail gunner in a British Lancaster bomber on a night mission to Berlin when his plane was attacked by German fighters. When the captain ordered the crew to bail out, Alkemade looked back into the plane and discovered that his parachute was in flames. He chose to jump without a parachute rather than to stay in the burning plane. He fell 18,000 feet, landing in trees, underbrush, and drifted snow. He twisted his knee and had some cuts, but was otherwise alright. Â And the highest ever was Vesna Vulovic was a stewardess on a Yugoslav DC 9 jet airliner that blew up in January of 1972 (probably as the result of a terrorist bomb). She fell more than 33,000 feet in the wreckage of the plane, which hit a snow-covered slope. The only survivor, she was badly injured and was paralyzed from the waist down, but later recovered and now can walk. (mostly fromhere)<span id='postcolor'> Man, that must of hurt. Amazing story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted May 10, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Gripe @ 10 May 2003,06:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Would the pressure and oxygen deprivation kill you before the ground rushing up did? Also whats the highest someone has ever fallen from without a parachute and survived?<span id='postcolor'> If the "explosive decompression" didn't kill you, the oxygen (or lack thereof) would knock you out before you hit the ground. According to my aeromedical and emergency procedures info you've got about 30 seconds to go from around 30,000 feet to a safe altitude (anything under 10,000 feet) before hypoxia (basically drunkeness due to lack of oxygen) sets in. Because of the pressure difference between the cabin and the outside there's literally an explosion, all the air inside moves outside to equal the pressure. Â The FAA calls it explosive decompression. Â People baloon up, if you're high enough your blood will start to boil. Â With a parachute it's survivable, William Rankin ejected from an F8U at 47,000. Â He went through the explosive decompression, mach .82 blast of air, freezing cold temperatures. Â Then fell into a thunderstorm, got bounced around for around 40 minutes, and landed. Scary stuff, I really feel sorry for those people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted May 10, 2003 Well they would black very quickly, I doubt they would have felt much. But everyone who went out is pretty much going to die. Oh well, this happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted May 10, 2003 I find the lackadaisical bordering on down right apathy somewhat saddening. Where as people are screaming about Iraqi civilians, the most this has garnered is an "Oh well." Kids being sucked out of a plane I would think would garner something more than that. But then again maybe I expect more from this community than I should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted May 10, 2003 u could always retitle it to "kids get sucked off on russian plane" to get more views Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epita 0 Posted May 10, 2003 Bitchy huu. Reminds me that one of the things I want to do is have a massive freefall jump... (30,000 or somthing rediculus like that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted May 10, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ 10 May 2003,09:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I find the lackadaisical bordering on down right apathy somewhat saddening. Where as people are screaming about Iraqi civilians, the most this has garnered is an "Oh well." Kids being sucked out of a plane I would think would garner something more than that. But then again maybe I expect more from this community than I should.<span id='postcolor'> Well, Akira, I feel sorry for these poor people, but if I`d comment on all accidents and tragedy that happen all over the world I`d have an unpaid fulltime-job, 24/7. Accidents are always sad, but in contrast to most of them, wars are started willingly. At least from one side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted May 10, 2003 FallenPaladin-"Accidents are always sad, but in contrast to most of them, wars are started willingly. At least from one side." Right, just like the brutal one that is mentioned in that article as having killed over 2.5 million people. The level of risk deemed acceptable (or necessary) by airlines working in developing countries seems to be higher than that of those working in the richer 'civilised' parts of the world. I dont know what caused this accident but such events are likely to happen with some frequency (as illustrated in that article) as long as lives in poor underdeveloped countries continue to be gambled with for profit. Then again the rise in ticket prices that safety improvements would mean would hit the poor passengers most(still im sure theyde want it). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted May 10, 2003 I say "Oh well" alot actually. If some fucked up guy shoots people i say "oh well", if people get sucked out of aircraft i tell the mechanics and then say "oh well", if pilots shot down are tortured then executed, i clean my gun and then say "oh well, it won't be much use anyway over the north sea." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azatoth 0 Posted May 11, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FuseBox @ 10 May 2003,00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">see thats y i dont trust anything made by Russian's  got to feel sry for em  <span id='postcolor'> It's ukrainian plane with ukrainian pilots, and if Ukraine not buy in Russia parts for planes 12 years - it's ukrainian problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted May 11, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Azatoth @ 11 May 2003,05:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FuseBox @ 10 May 2003,00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">see thats y i dont trust anything made by Russian's  got to feel sry for em  <span id='postcolor'> It's ukrainian plane with ukrainian pilots, and if Ukraine not buy in Russia parts for planes 12 years - it's ukrainian problem  <span id='postcolor'> It's funny you said that...here's an update... Ukranian Military And I'll qoute the first paragraph for easy reading... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KINSHASA, Congo (AP) - The defense ministry of Ukraine, which owns the cargo plane whose doors opened at 33,000 feet, denied Saturday that anyone was hurt in the mishap and said no cargo was lost.<span id='postcolor'> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frizbee 0 Posted May 11, 2003 As the air pressure inside the aircraft is higher than that outside, technically all of those people were blown out of the aircraft, not sucked out. So it sort of ruins all those sucking jokes you all made However it is a terrible accident, however, police officers and their families were the victims... how long do you think it will be before someone asks if it could possibly have been a terrorist attack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted May 11, 2003 Suck and blow, it works both ways in my opinion. Ever seen those two huge conical cylinders they would seal together with an airtight substance like vaseline, then create a vaccuum inside, the air pressure would prevent two elephants from pulling them apart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted May 11, 2003 Which circus do you go to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloney 0 Posted May 11, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ 10 May 2003,09:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I find the lackadaisical bordering on down right apathy somewhat saddening. Where as people are screaming about Iraqi civilians, the most this has garnered is an "Oh well." Kids being sucked out of a plane I would think would garner something more than that. But then again maybe I expect more from this community than I should.<span id='postcolor'> People would only bitch if a some journalist found a way to relate it to the US and say how the United States is "Intentionally Killing Women and Children!". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites