German armed forces

[ran 0]

http://www.swissnavy.ch/

HAH !

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Mar. 02 2003,22:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Mar. 02 2003,22:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 02 2003,22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 02 2003,21:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Mar. 02 2003,21:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Switzerland has the best Navy <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Are you serious? Or wait, what country was the joke about one navy having glass bottom boats so they could see the old navy?<span id='postcolor'>

Nah, Switzerland is landlocked, so they don't have a navy. Poland is the navy that has the glass-bottomed boats and the submarines with screen-doors<span id='postcolor'>

but their (swiss) land forces have a ... a ..... yeah , a "navy" element in their army<span id='postcolor'>

they have a donkey unit too...

but dont underestimate them...up in the mountains they got military bases of size and capabilities that few of you can imagine.... but the swiss take this very seriously and are very strict on security issues.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah , there have been a few TV footages about these rock fortresses on french TV , swiss people could hold a real siege

they even mined some part of the mountains and most of the large road infrastructures have explosives inside

but the most impressive i've seen in one of these footages was a big part of a mountain sliding and a 100mm (or some other caliber) turret appearing

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

lol...one pic of a ship...thats all...lol.

Lol..so funny...I guess after 3 years you can allready become ADMIRAL of the SWISS MARINE FORCES. you then have probably around 3 subordinates.

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One of the worst navies in the world is the Swedish. Sweden has always had a big, proud navy. The only problem is that it has won only twice - once against Danish, British and Dutch combined forces and once against the Russian navy. On the other hand it has been sunk by just about every other European country.

Fortunately we have always had very good costal defences which is the reason why we are not speaking Russian today

I'd like to think that our navy is very good today, but historical statistics speak against it.

Well at least our amphibious units (not part of the navy) are world class

[KingBeast 0]

Oh, what unit were you part of again denoir?

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Mar. 02 2003,21:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Mar. 02 2003,21:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is it true german have the best europeen army? <span id='postcolor'>

i don't think so, Brittian has the best european army i think.<span id='postcolor'>

naaaaaaahhh , France all the way ....<span id='postcolor'>

yeah, Foreign Legion

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ above)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One of the worst navies in the world is the Swedish. Sweden has always had a big, proud navy. The only problem is that it has won only twice - once against Danish, British and Dutch combined forces and once against the Russian navy. On the other hand it has been sunk by just about every other European country.<span id='postcolor'>

-how do you sink a Swedish naval fleet?

-put it up agianst Lichtenstein navy patrol boat.

back on topic,

i think those German Weasles are pretty clever. however i still donot think that such weapons are great for prolonged warfare, especially in open places.

in US, we can have John Deere and put some armor on and still be as good as German Weasles

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingBeast @ Mar. 02 2003,22:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, what unit were you part of again denoir?  <span id='postcolor'>

laundry unit.

in case of Russian attack, Sweden would fall within minutes, so they were trained to locate Russian subs and deliever laundry request after their defeat. that's why they are trained in locating Russian subs AND speaking Russians

[nolips71 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (The_Replicator @ Mar. 02 2003,20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is it true german have the best europeen army?<span id='postcolor'>

no

[nolips71 0]

whats the differance between a frenchman and a peice of toast?

you can make soldiers out of toast

[ralphwiggum 6]

now, i think it's about good time to remind ppl that we do this in friendly manner, and not attacking/flaming other countries. we had plenty of old days when someone would go "which country has best military?" and 250 nations would say they do, and start flaming each other.

there is no exact way to say which one is "the best", so let's respect each other.

(but then again, French military is the best when it comes to surrendering, and it is accepted as the universal truth, just like US forces are the best at friendly fire, and German forces are reknown for being dull.)

[nolips71 0]

now now ralph im disapointed. you forgot the italians!

they are famed for retreating

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingBeast @ Mar. 02 2003,22:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, what unit were you part of again denoir?  <span id='postcolor'>

Not navy

[DracoPaladore 0]

WTU - Wine Testing Unit

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 02 2003,22:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- How do you sink a Norwegian submarine?

- Dive down and knock at the door. Then they'll open the door and ask what you want!

- How do you sink a Norwegian submarine again?

- Dive down and knock at the door. Then they'll open the door and say: "You can't fool us again!"

- How do you sink a Danish submarine?

- Dive down and knock at the door. Then they'll open a window and say: "We're not as stupid as the Norwegians!"

- How do you sink a Swedish submarine?

- Give it a Norwegian crew!<span id='postcolor'>

Hehe....here we go again!

We all know how good the swedish navy is! After all, Ivan had to litteraly park a sub on land to be detected.

I have to agree with Denoir that the coastal defence system is very effective - also historically:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The assault on Oslo was not so easy. The pocket battleship Lutzow was badly damaged by the Norwegian shore batteries in the fjord, and the Blucher was sunk by shore-launched torpedoes with the loss of 1,600 lives before the 163rd division managed to capture a large part of Oslo, the arsenal at Horten and the airfield. <span id='postcolor'>

http://www.what-if-you.com/ww2memorial/wwii__chapter_3.htm

I have some good pictures from my days as a cadet at the Coastal artillery officer school - where I'm sitting on one of the barrels of the cannon (28 cm projectile ) called "Moses". Due to my extreme lack of technical knowledge I'm not able to present the pictures here - if any of you know how to do it please let me know.  It's so enormous you can't put a leg on each side on the barrel. It was by the way bought from Krupp and put up to give the swedes an opportunity to loose yet another battle - hehe, but the germans ended up in the receiving line.

What's really funny is that when the germans aproached Oscarsborg the comanding officer had two problems: He did not know how to operate these enormous cannons because they were left out of service years back. Secondly, he did not know if the aproaching ships were german or english.

He solved this by sending a soldier to get hold of an old retired officer who knew how to operate the cannons. When everything was ready and the ships were sighted he ordered the crew to fire even if they didn't know the nationality of the ships. And history was written!

By the way - if any of you wonder about the nationality-stuff here is the explanation: in -39 british ships layed mines in norwegian coastal waters to prevent a possible attack by the germans. This caused a lot of speculation and many believed the brits would try to invade Norway in order to prevent the germans from operating their submarines from norwegian harbours.

Here are some pics of the cannons:

http://it-student.hivolda.no/prosjek....slo.htm

The norwegian coastal artillery has since become extremly high-tech. There are entire forts located inside mountains where you can lower the turrets and rocket-launchers into the ground. All of the rooms inside the mountain are a sort of metal cage suspended by rubber and springs to withstand blasts from nuclear weapons. The turrets can (when raised) take a nuclear blast the size of a hiroshima-bomb if blown outside a radius of aprx. 300 metres.

Apart from the stationary defense systems the coastal artillery also consists of mobile elite soldiers called "coast hunters". They are pretty much the same as their swedish counterpart and are very able because of very hard training, diverse weapons-systems (launchers etc) and good mobility provided by the swedish built "stormboat 90" :

http://www.kof.no/side5.htm

Ok - back on topic! I saw the Wiesel on a documentary on Discovery Channel years ago. What fascinated me most about this able little creature was the simple maintainence and the availability of spare parts. You could litteraly go into any WV-dealer and replace almost any part of the engine.

I have always been interested "smart" effective solutions like this german vehicle and the english Scorpion etc.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Mar. 02 2003,23:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">(but then again, French military is the best when it comes to surrendering, and it is accepted as the universal truth, just like US forces are the best at friendly fire, and German forces are reknown for being dull.) <span id='postcolor'>

Reminds me of a supposed British saying during WWII:

"When we shoot, the enemy ducks.

When the enemy shoots, we duck.

When the Americans shoot, EVERYONE ducks".

[Balschoiw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i still donot think that such weapons are great for prolonged warfare, especially in open places.<span id='postcolor'>

You know the german army or "Bundeswehr" like the name already says is not an attack army. We are still only a defensive army and therefore cope with the german territory. And you also may know that huge parts of german border regions are basically woodlands, so my conlclusion is the Wiesel is pretty smart vehicle for us , isn´t it  

Anyway the german "Gebirgsjäger" were famouse during WW2 and are still today. We are the first along with the paratroopers to go into german missions, because we are trained in every terrain, especially hills. We are a high-tech troop of skilled and physically fit people who , and now listen please, are all intelligent. You need brains when you want to fight in hills or deserts. And that is what we do.

Yes I am proud to be a Gebirgsjäger. "Hurra die Gams!"

My Roots

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Mar. 03 2003,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Apart from the stationary defense systems the coastal artillery also consists of mobile elite soldiers called "coast hunters". They are pretty much the same as their swedish counterpart and are very able because of very hard training, diverse weapons-systems (launchers etc) and good mobility provided by the swedish built "stormboat 90" :<span id='postcolor'>

The english translation of kustjägare is "costal ranger"

Amfibiebataljon (AMFBAT) 1, KJ kompani, Första pluton, "Fanatiska" - my old platoon. AMFBAT 1 was until a couple of years ago known as KA1 (Coastal Artillery 1) but the name was changed to reflect the role of the unit better. After I completed my KJ training, I applied and was accepted to the combat divers (which consist only of KJ but is part af the batallion staff company and not directly KJ Kompani). Later, I was forced to transfer out, but that's another story.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">provided by the swedish built "stormboat 90" :<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, "Stormboat 90" is the Norwegian version of the Stridsbĺt 90 specially designed with a large hatch in the bottom so that Swedish divers can knock on it and have a laugh when the Norwegian crew opens it (and subsequently have to purchase a new boat)

Edit: I'm sorry, I don't know why I am telling all these Norge-historier (jokes about Norwegians). I never usually do that, but here I just can't resist

Edit2t: My roots

[Othin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (The_Replicator @ Mar. 02 2003,11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">little tanks  :-)

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I'm not taking anything away from the value of these tanks, but whenever I see them the Benny Hill (Yakkity Sax) theme plays in my head.

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 03 2003,02:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The english translation of kustjägare is "costal ranger" <span id='postcolor'>

Smartass . Anyway, I prefer the term "Kystjeger".

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, "Stormboat 90" is the Norwegian version of the Stridsbĺt 90 specially designed with a large hatch in the bottom so that Swedish divers can knock on it and have a laugh when the Norwegian crew opens it (and subsequently have to purchase a new boat)

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Hehe....I'll remember that one as deliriously funny!

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Mar. 03 2003,02:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, "Stormboat 90" is the Norwegian version of the Stridsbĺt 90 specially designed with a large hatch in the bottom so that Swedish divers can knock on it and have a laugh when the Norwegian crew opens it (and subsequently have to purchase a new boat)

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Hehe....I'll remember that one as deliriously funny!  <span id='postcolor'>

As I said, I don't know why I go on with these Norgehistorier. I have the uttermost respect for Norwegians, they are the loyal servants of the Swedish Empire! (oh no, there I go again - I just can't resist)

Well, I suppose you brought it on yourselves by your Swedophobia

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway, I prefer the term "Kystjeger".<span id='postcolor'>

It sounds very... Norwegian Kyst... sounds like "Kyss (kiss)" or "Kysk" (chaste)

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 03 2003,02:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

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As I said, I don't know why I go on with these Norgehistorier. I have the uttermost respect for Norwegians, they are the loyal servants of the Swedish Empire! (oh no, there I go again - I just can't resist) <span id='postcolor'>

haha...the swedish empire? You lost it all as far as I know.

However, Norway had great ambitions as a colonial superpower during the start of last century. Our colonial possesions include Queen Mauds Land on the south pole -where we ruthlessly dominate the penguins (I wonder if thats the origin for our not so famous rockets? ). We also grabbed Spitzbergen where we ruthlesly rule over ourselves, some icebears, a seagull or two and a lot of ruskies. Wooohooo!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It sounds very... Norwegian Kyst... sounds like "Kyss (kiss)" or "Kysk" (chaste)

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Actually, we are the smart ones! We all know how homofobic the casual soldier is. So, whenever they see us approaching and they learn to know us - they all run like hell! hehe - good one, isn't it?

[Aaron Kane 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Othin @ Mar. 03 2003,02:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (The_Replicator @ Mar. 02 2003,11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">little tanks  :-)

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I'm not taking anything away from the value of these tanks, but whenever I see them the Benny Hill (Yakkity Sax) theme plays in my head.<span id='postcolor'>

LMAO!!!!!!!!

*ahem*

I believe that there are several new small scout vehicles, such as the Tracer, in development which will be used by the US and if I'm not mistaken the UK militaries.

The thing that seems cool about them is that it only takes one shot to take out a tank. I dont mean literally take out, as in blow it to smithereens, but a single TOW can easily disable the LRF and other fragile devices on a tank, which will put it at a huge disadvantage in a fight. So these little tanks can cause as much damage as a much larger tank. And the US/UK version is supposed to be super stealthy too, so woo... hoo!

[Frizbee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Mar. 02 2003,21:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Mar. 02 2003,21:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is it true german have the best europeen army? <span id='postcolor'>

i don't think so, Brittian has the best european army i think.<span id='postcolor'>

naaaaaaahhh , France all the way ....<span id='postcolor'>

France has never won a war they have been involved in. Not even when they fought against themselves in the civil war

Seriously, it depends on what you mean by "Best" There are different advantages and disadvantages of every countries Armed Forces.

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @ Mar. 03 2003,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">France has never won a war they have been involved in. Not even when they fought against themselves in the civil war  <span id='postcolor'>

I suspect  this won't please Ran

Well, they threw out the english from Bourdaux some hundreds of years ago!

..........which reminds me of what I read somewhere about the english: They lose all battles but win all wars (or something like that) . I just can't remember who said it!

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Mar. 03 2003,02:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i still donot think that such weapons are great for prolonged warfare, especially in open places.<span id='postcolor'>

You know the german army or "Bundeswehr" like the name already says is not an attack army. We are still only a defensive army and therefore cope with the german territory. And you also may know that huge parts of german border regions are basically woodlands, so my conlclusion is the Wiesel is pretty smart vehicle for us , isn´t it  <span id='postcolor'>

well, i was thinking more of using in different situations and about its versatility. but whatever serves right for the fatherland serves right