Ka60

[STS_SolidSnake 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JAP @ Feb. 13 2003,10:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (deadsoldier @ Feb. 13 2003,07:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (TopCover @ Feb. 12 2003,13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's good to see that the russian engineers are still as "original" in their designs as they used to be:

KA-60

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ka_60/images/Ka60_4.jpg

And here a Dauphin.. a Completely different helicopter

http://www.helispot.com/images/02436.jpg

Can somebody say: "industrial espionage"?

L8R,

TopCover<span id='postcolor'>

oh gosh, your another american who thinks that every russian machine is a copy of americans.

other people have common sense too, to put wings and tires, and windows and rotors to their planes too .

cheers<span id='postcolor'>

Isn t the Dauphin french ?  <span id='postcolor'>

Yes it is french, i dont know why he thinks he is american.

[MR.Mapper 0]

i´ve added a alarmsound when a missile is on the way to the chopper and i´ve changed the name of the rocktes to : B-8V-7 Rockets

[deadsoldier 0]

ok i knew it was french, Aerospatiale Dauphin, its not hard to tell its a french word. but i have seen many posts here about mig-29 being a copy of the F-15, and he su-27 too. And the T-90 a copy of something. and i was refering to that idea of ppl still thinking inthe cold war mentality and saying that every russian plane is a copy of an american plane.

edit. Russian aircraft technology has always kept the americans on th run until the collapse of the soviete union, when they had little money to buy wheat.

cheers

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (deadsoldier @ Feb. 13 2003,17:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok i knew it was french, Aerospatiale Dauphin, its not hard to tell its a french word. but i have seen many posts here about mig-29 being a copy of the F-15, and he su-27 too. And the T-90 a copy of something. and i was refering to that idea of ppl still thinking inthe cold war mentality and saying that every russian plane is a copy of an american plane.

edit. Russian aircraft technology has always kept the americans on th run until the collapse of the soviete union, when they had little money to buy wheat.

cheers<span id='postcolor'>

True about the jets as they are vastly different designs but from that picture somebody posted where it overlays the Aerospatiale Dauphin with the Ka60, I think there is little doubt that the design was HEAVILY borrowed from the Aerospatiale Dauphin. But there's nothing really wrong with that as ever helicopter design is usually based on a previous design. Also more then likely the internal components (flight controls, hydraulic systems, weapons, radar, ECM, ect...) are based on indigenous Russian designs because Russia has a good history of excellent helicopter design. The Mi8/17 HIP is probably still one of the best "bang for your buck" helicopters in the world.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[AirwolfPL 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (TopCover @ Feb. 12 2003,14:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's good to see that the russian engineers are still as "original" in their designs as they used to be:

KA-60

(...)

And here a Dauphin.. a Completely different helicopter

(...)<span id='postcolor'>

Well it's looking much more like S-76 combined with Dauphin's tailboom to me, than like the 'pure' Dauphin...

And it's not true that only russian engineers 'stealing' ideas from other countries... UK as well as USA also 'stealing' ideas from russians (you can easly notice that when you looking at F-15, VC-10 etc.)

[STS_SolidSnake 0]

The dauphin is soo ugly you can't compare it with the beautyfull kacatka

[AirwolfPL 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (deadsoldier @ Feb. 13 2003,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok i knew it was french, Aerospatiale Dauphin, its not hard to tell its a french word. but i have seen many posts here about mig-29 being a copy of the F-15, and he su-27 too. (...)<span id='postcolor'>

You should know that F-15 is generally a copy of MiG-25.

[TopCover 0]

BTW i am Dutch, not american

And to deny that russian militairy technology relied heavily on industrial espionage is denying history.

Even in the later days of the sovjet union this happened. For example the radar system in the mig-29 is almost an exact copy of the one in a f-18, or so i was told by some airforcepilots.

L8R,

TopCover

[farmcoot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AirwolfPL @ Feb. 14 2003,08:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (deadsoldier @ Feb. 13 2003,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok i knew it was french, Aerospatiale Dauphin, its not hard to tell its a french word. but i have seen many posts here about mig-29 being a copy of the F-15, and he su-27 too. (...)<span id='postcolor'>

You should know that F-15 is generally a copy of MiG-25.<span id='postcolor'>

you must be smokin some wacky weed man. Someone fed you dome horrible info! They aren't even close! MiG-25 isn't even fighter, its an interceptor.

[AirwolfPL 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (farmcoot @ Feb. 14 2003,18:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you must be smokin some wacky weed man. Someone fed you dome horrible info! They aren't even close! MiG-25 isn't even fighter, its an interceptor.<span id='postcolor'>

Heh... I can see, that's you who is smokin weed here...

Or you just aren't very familiar with aviation...

Of course MiG-25 isn't fighter, but americans 'borrowed' it's succesful aerodynamic concept for their F-15.

[Johann "onn" Bitsoenn 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AirwolfPL @ Feb. 14 2003,19:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (farmcoot @ Feb. 14 2003,18:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you must be smokin some wacky weed man. Someone fed you dome horrible info! They aren't even close! MiG-25 isn't even fighter, its an interceptor.<span id='postcolor'>

Heh... I can see, that's you who is smokin weed here...

Or you just aren't very familiar with aviation...

Of course MiG-25 isn't fighter, but americans 'borrowed' it's succesful aerodynamic concept for their F-15.<span id='postcolor'>

Important thing to say is that MiG-25 is not a common intercept machine. It was designed for intercepting fast american spy-planes such as U-2 or SR-71. Aims of the designers was to build a plane capable of reaching such heights and destroing american intelligence aircraft. MiG-25 has been also designed for reconessaince missions, playing same role as fast SR-71 (russian hq was very upset of not having machine capable to do same reconessaince missions as first U-2 mission over moscow at 4th July 1956).

There is a funny story about the flight of early version of MiG-25 from russian base in Egypt. It was one of the first attempts to reach 3 Ma on this jet. After reaching nearly 3 Ma, the cockpit-glass, not prepared fot high temperatures, started to melt :]

Fortunately, the pilot had time to slow down the machine and he survived and landed safely. Afterwards, the cockpit glass material has been redesigned :]

As I know, MiG-25 overall conception has been not borrowed from americans (at leas mostly). MiG-25 are of course to some extend simillar, but there are more differences than simillarities. Saying that F-15 conception has been stolen is same as saying, that britain stolen conception from MiG-21 (1956) to create British Aerospace Lightning (1960)...

Moreover... MiG-25 has been created in 1964, and F-15 in 1972 :]]]

[hellfish6 7]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (farmcoot @ Feb. 14 2003,10:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AirwolfPL @ Feb. 14 2003,08:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (deadsoldier @ Feb. 13 2003,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok i knew it was french, Aerospatiale Dauphin, its not hard to tell its a french word. but i have seen many posts here about mig-29 being a copy of the F-15, and he su-27 too. (...)<span id='postcolor'>

You should know that F-15 is generally a copy of MiG-25.<span id='postcolor'>

you must be smokin some wacky weed man. Someone fed you dome horrible info! They aren't even close! MiG-25 isn't even fighter, its an interceptor.<span id='postcolor'>

Sorry, there, High Speed. The F-15 was built to counter the MiG-25. When the Foxbot showed up and the USAF realized how fast it was, they demanded their F-15s to counter them. However, once a MiG-25 pilot defected to Japan with his plane, the US and Japan managed to take it apart and analyze it before returning it to the Soviets and they realized that the MiG-25 was actually not nearly as advanced as they thought it was - it burned and leaked fuel at incredible rates, wasn't maneuverable, etc.

[Johann "onn" Bitsoenn 0]

Bleh.... I am stupid and blind and did not noticed that you were writing that americans stole concept from russians, not russians form americans... plof.

[Major Fubar 0]

So, weren't we talking about the KA-60 at some stage?

[SGTKOPP 0]

I think we need to get back on topic. The point is that the east needs more quality helos. My fav thing in ofp is the choppers so please all you talented modders out there fill this void there are like 4 Russian attack birds out there please!

[SGTKOPP 0]

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi28/mi281.html

[Shadow NX 1]

Hmm if so much want the Mi-28 i think i suggest making one to our team.

If anyone has detail pics, for example of the cocpit please send it.

[SGTKOPP 0]

These good

[Shadow NX 1]

They are an good start, anyone got bigger ones?

[chaztheducky 0]

cool a hokum

[ZLOY 0]

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Milj/Mi-28/Shema(1).jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/m/mi28.gif

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~junap95/helicopters/images/mi28/mi-28.jpg

Mi28N:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/m/mi28n.gif

http://www.aeronautics.ru/mi28n2.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Milj/Mi-28/21.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Milj/Mi-28/22.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Milj/Mi-28/4.jpg

cocpit:

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Milj/Mi-28/18.jpg

rotors (closeup) http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~junap95/helicopters/images/mi28/mi28c.jpg

Arnament:

1 x 30mm cannon 2A42 with 300 rounds of ammunition. 4x4 PTUR (ATGMs) Shturm 9M114, or Ataka B 9M120? and  20x55-mm (UB-20-57) or 20x80mm (UB-20-80)  HUR (FFARs) or 2 130mm NUR (FFARs), or 2 Vozduh-Vozduh (AA misssiles). Containers with 23mm cannons or 30mm granade launchers or 12.7mm/7.62mm machineguns. or 16 PTUR (ATGMs) Vihr'.....

[blackdog~ 0]

Ka-50 is a Hokum... Mi-28 is nicknamed the Havoc. That picture is not OFP, but it is rumored that DKM-MOD is making one... I have that same panel for FS2002 and it may be used in the OFP version.

[akm74 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That picture is not OFP, but it is rumored that DKM-MOD is partnering with AKM74 to texture it... <span id='postcolor'>

where did you get this information ?

[Shadow NX 1]

So it is really just an rumor?

I mean if there is an good mi28 in development our team can use its recources better for other things, if no good one is in development well make it.

@ZLOY

Thanks for the pics

[Johann "onn" Bitsoenn 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow NX @ Feb. 15 2003,08:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean if there is an good mi28 in development our team can use its recources better for other things, if no good one is in development well make it.<span id='postcolor'>

DKM team told they will probably make some chopper (probably Mi-28 as they said) to ballance the game unballanced by their extremely good RAH-66 :]