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I downloaded the B52 thing earlier as part of my quest to find the best bomber around. Here's what I reckoned to it:

1. It flies like a whale's fat mum. Fair play, its a big bugger and it should do.

2. The AI tries to ram it down your throat on bombing runs.

My thinking is that if you really want an addon like this to be practical, which is could very easily be, there has to be a way to get the AI to bomb from distance. It doesn't have to be accurate, it is supposed to be a saturation bomber.

Other than the niggles about the AI and stuff I thought it was pretty good.

PS would it be possible to script a bomb run? Have the sound of a jet pass overhead, then lay down a pile of explosions in a line or something?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ludovico Technique @ Jan. 15 2003,03:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I downloaded the B52 thing earlier as part of my quest to find the best bomber around. Here's what I reckoned to it:

1. It flies like a whale's fat mum. Fair play, its a big bugger and it should do.

2. The AI tries to ram it down your throat on bombing runs.

My thinking is that if you really want an addon like this to be practical, which is could very easily be, there has to be a way to get the AI to bomb from distance. It doesn't have to be accurate, it is supposed to be a saturation bomber.

Other than the niggles about the AI and stuff I thought it was pretty good.

PS would it be possible to script a bomb run? Have the sound of a jet pass overhead, then lay down a pile of explosions in a line or something?<span id='postcolor'>

I also tried it out and believe it or not, this is the MOST maneuverable large bomber addon that I've tried yet. I was extremely happy that the AI can actually take it off at the Nogova airbase and that they actually will fly to the target area without hitting mountains.

However as you experienced, the B52's start dive bombing targets and they blow themselves up. Now there are ways of creating bomb scripts that cause a line of bombs to fall as the bomber flies over a target. However here is the problem.... the "flyinheight" command seems to only work like up to 150 meters. If you put "this flyinheight 500", it won't work. I'm going to try using the "setpos" command to see if I can get the bombers up at a high altitude, but I suspect that even if that works, the AI pilots are just going to end up diving back down to a low altitude. sad.gif So until the problem is sorted out, the whole heavy bomber idea might be impossible to properly implement unless you just show the bombers taking off and then just have a make believe bomb drop when the actual bomber is off the map somewhere by using some "camcreate" scripts to simulate the bombs dropping.

As for the engine noise, at the altitude they operate at, you would, if anything, just hear a very distant engine sound barely audible. So that might be the way to do things.

At any rate, back to the B52. I hope that the creator makes a "gunner" position in the rear gun position with quad .50 cal guns like on the real thing (although this may have been replaced by a vulcan cannon). Also the AI don't raise the landing gear when they fly and of coarse the textures could be much improved. Other then that I think it's a great beta well worth downloading!!!

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Miles Teg @ Jan. 15 2003,04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At any rate, back to the B52.  I hope that the creator makes a "gunner" position in the rear gun position with quad .50 cal guns like on the real thing (although this may have been replaced by a vulcan cannon).

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD><span id='postcolor'>

ur thinkin of the B29 mate. .the b52 has no weapons other then whats in that bomb bay

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/B_52_Stratofortress.html

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ludovico Technique @ Jan. 15 2003,03:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PS would it be possible to script a bomb run? Have the sound of a jet pass overhead, then lay down a pile of explosions in a line or something?<span id='postcolor'>

http://www.ofpec.com/

editors depot. .scripts. .somewhere in there there is many carpet bombing scrips. .with aproper trigger and sound file yes u can creat what ur talkin bout

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (~Too Tall~ @ Jan. 15 2003,04:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ur thinkin of the B29 mate. .the b52 has no weapons other then whats in that bomb bay

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/B_52_Stratofortress.html<span id='postcolor'>

Nope.  The B-52 had them M8... well at least the B52D model.

Here is a link with a pic of it down at the bottom of the page:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mclaydon/b52main.htm

Here is the pic:

22tailguns_small.jpg

The B52H replaced the .50 cal quad turret with a single 20-mm M61 cannon but this was removed later according to this site:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b052-22.html

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

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they were takin out due to the fact at 50,000 feet theres not too much to shoot at. . . other then missels but they got ECMs for that. . and for shooting at other planes?. .planes dont get close enuf for that. .they got fighter escorts for that now. but im glad that u researched this b4 replying this time smile.gif good job

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ur thinkin of the B29 mate. .the b52 has no weapons other then whats in that bomb bay

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Dont forget the stuff carried on the pylons:

http://www.ammsalumni.com/B52missiles.html

L8R,

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (~Too Tall~ @ Jan. 15 2003,05:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they were takin out due to the fact at 50,000 feet theres not too much to shoot at.  . . other then missels but they got ECMs for that. . and for shooting at other planes?. .planes dont get close enuf for that. .they got fighter escorts for that now. but im glad that u researched this b4 replying this time  smile.gif  good job<span id='postcolor'>

confused.gif?   I knew the info about the quad .50 cal tail guns already before I replied.  I had no need to do research until you told me that I was mistaken.  Perhaps next time you should at least attempt to do some research before telling someone they are wrong.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

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Actually i believe a few b-52's managed to score kills in vietnam. The vietnamese pilots were told the effective range of the .50's was a certain distance. What their soviet instructors were forgetting was the these bullits were being speeded up by the wind flowing over the aircraft and their range was increased. A friend of my uncle (retired Dutch Airforce Lt-Col) who flew B-52's told me that, i guess he should know. One more cool thing about the B-52 is that its gears can actually pivot. So it could approach the runway with its nose at a 45 degree angle to the runway but its wheels would still be pointing in the right direction. That was done to counter its tendency to suffer allot in crosswind landings. It could also taxi that way because otherwise it cant use most military bases in europe.

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During linebacker II B-52 gunners were credited with two confirmed MiG kills. (Fifteen B-52s were lost during this operation.)

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I thought there were 5 mig kills

ok, 2 were confirmed and 3 were not. smile.gif

-=Die Alive=-

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Hey i just realized that a b-29 isn't a bad idea, but is there script for a mushroom?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Koolkid101 @ Jan. 15 2003,22:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey i just realized that a b-29 isn't a bad idea, but is there script for a mushroom?<span id='postcolor'>

yes there is i have it. .it lages like hell. . .but it makes for a great light show smile.gif

PS: the guns OF ANY SORT were removed form the B52H in the early 90s

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b4/b4-73.htm

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Koolkid101 @ Jan. 15 2003,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Theres a b-29??<span id='postcolor'>

It's the bomber that dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was also used in Korea and it was america's only atomic bomber before the B-36 entered service.

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ya i know that sucks. .i wantecx that so bad too. .well for the next post i need to have a translator read it to me

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Where else is the B52 available? The german site links it to a dead page. sad.gif

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well i got it. .so lemme get my friend to host it and ill post a d/l link for yall

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Koolkid101 @ Jan. 18 2003,07:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I"m not that dumb, i was just wondering if there was a b-29 for opf-r!<span id='postcolor'>

oops sorry to confuse ya there m8. . no there isnt but there is a mushroom cloud thou. ..actualy its jsut a big fireball int eh shape of a mushroom. .really cool. . .and if u walk inside it. .u die  tounge.gif

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you guys on the first page : There is a tail turret but in the later models, it's a radar directed turret therefore removing the point of adding a manned tail turret to the B-52 wink.gif

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