Big aircraft and how to handle them

[Ludovico Technique 0]

Hey there folks. I figure this is more an addon question rather than a mission editing one since it doesn't pertain to scripting or missions, its more about the problems of handling big aircraft addons.

Works out like this, I've just got my hands on OFPman1's rather funky B1 bomber. I like it, it kicks arse, but there is a problem. The AI tries to fly it like a close air support fighter bomber, rather than a standoff bomber. I was hoping to have the plane scoot overhead and drop bombs onto targets below, but unfortunately at the moment the best it seems to manage is to either a shallow dive into the target or a pass over it, followed by dropping a bomb and blowing itself into a vertical climb with the blast.

Is there any way to get this otherwise mint aircraft to behave itself?

[miles teg 1]

Is that the latest B1 that came out a few weeks ago? Last I tried it, it wouldn't take off without crashing, wouldn't put it's landing gear up, and took up the entire map to do a turn. I think that bombing is the least of it's problems. You might be able to use scripting in a mission to have it do bomb drops when it hits a trigger perhaps. Also try using the "flyinheight" script. (ex: this flyinheight 300 to keep the plane from getting too low.

At any rate, if someone could fix up that bomber and make it turn well and take off and land, I think it would be an AMAZING addon.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Ludovico Technique 0]

Sounds like the same B1. I wasn't too worried about the handling problems, I was just pointing it at the target in the editor . Are there any other aircraft out there that could handle a heavy bombing run?

[MadMage 0]

there was just released a beta 1 of a B52...

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ludovico Technique @ Jan. 13 2003,21:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sounds like the same B1. I wasn't too worried about the handling problems, I was just pointing it at the target in the editor   . Are there any other aircraft out there that could handle a heavy bombing run?<span id='postcolor'>

There are no other heavy bombers but there is at least one medium bomber, the A6 Intruder. That one is still in beta stages but it's not bad at all. It handles well, takes off well, and drops the bombs very nicely. It also has several variants that contain fairly large bomb loads.

But other then that, the rest are fighter bombers like the Tornado. By the way...if you want to see something very cool... stick the B1 on the map and then add two Tornadoes, F15's or F-18's flying with it in a group. It's a very impressive site!!!

I just hope someone fixes up the B1. It has an incredible amount of potential as the model is fairly good and it feels wonderful sitting in the cockpit (feels like you're in a sports car or something).

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Jamesia 0]

I haven't ACTUALLY tried this bomber. But my new joystick is fantastic with planes. It seems to be able to fly inverted really easily.

Maybe you should try flying them planes with a joystick.

[Koolkid101 0]

With the new mig 26 not the beta i can't see the tail!

[OxPecker 0]

DKMM Bronco does a good bombing run.

Question - I'm a bit of a n00b at mission editing - how do I get a bomber to carpet bomb an area rather than specific targets (like strafe a town or enemy base)?

Oh, and one more question, is there a bomber version of the C-130? I know theres a gunship, but maybe a bomber?

[Koolkid101 0]

in real life or opf, i wish there was a gunship spetre in opf but no!

[blackdog~ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Koolkid101 @ Jan. 13 2003,17:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">With the new mig 26 not the beta i can't see the tail!<span id='postcolor'>

That was random...

Now back ontopic, a C130 Gunship is only possible if you use one gunner. Now instead of a C130, I want to see a C130 with a Daisy Cutter.

Edit:

@OxPecker:

You can put "this setBehaviour "CARELESS"; this flyInHeight "60" and have a bomber fly over a target while you camcreate (I don't know how to do that) the bombs kind of like this:

camcreate [insert code here]

Here, you should set the position of the first bomb to be dropped... then set it to repeatedley make bombs using camcreate

Continue on with this

~2

The interval at bombs are to be dropped

_bmb setPos [getPos _bmb select 0, etc etc]

Its something like this... I can't script worth a diddley doodah (couldnt think of anything else) but this should give someone an idea..

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jamesia @ Jan. 13 2003,22:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I haven't ACTUALLY tried this bomber. But my new joystick is fantastic with planes. It seems to be able to fly inverted really easily.

Maybe you should try flying them planes with a joystick.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't think a joystick is the solution. Try going to the archives at ofp.info and try downloading it and you'll see what I mean.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MadMage @ Jan. 13 2003,21:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there was just released a beta 1 of a B52...<span id='postcolor'>

A B52? WHERE?? I just checked all the major OFP sites (in English at least) and I see nothing about a B52.

Please post the URL to this if it does exist. I've only seen screenshots of one that someone was working on but nowhere have I seen a beta release of it.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[OxPecker 0]

Obviously not all the major sites : http://opflashpoint.org/

[peanuckle_00 0]

Man that looks amazing. I gotta have it. It's a modern day heavy bomber. That's awesome.

[pzvg 0]

A modern day heavy bomber? yeah if you were born in 1949, it's modern, for the rest of us the BUFF has been around a long time, the Bone is modern.

Btw as far as taking the entire map to turn around, IT SHOULD!

It's a BUFF, not another child's toy close support aircraft.

As far as employment, I changed the Bone's <B1> config to where it's armed with tomahawk's <Can't remember which site I got that from, it's old> mainly because AFAIK, the only gravity bomb in the Bone's op-inventory has an "N" in it's name

[miles teg 1]

WOw! I'm glad I was wrong. I don't have that site bookmarked...but I do now...

Testing it out now. I just hope that damn thing turns and takes off properly. But judging from all the other bombers I've tried I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Koolkid101 0]

i do its just it was bookmarked on the mig 24 download lol!

[Jamesia 0]

If you can't fly that thing it could simply sit on a runway and look cool in ur missions

[Ludovico Technique 0]

Hmm. A careless behaviour mode thing seems to help.

[~Too Tall~ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pzvg @ Jan. 14 2003,12:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A modern day heavy bomber? yeah if you were born in 1949, it's modern, for the rest of us the BUFF has been around a long time, the Bone is modern. <span id='postcolor'>

my freind the B52 Bomber is just as active a heavy bomber today as it was in 1952 (when the first flight took place). it suppoerted a MAJOR role during the cold war crisis (in which this game was orginaly based on) orbiting the north pole carrying thermo neculear warheards to be lauched on russisa should they have fired first. luckily that wasnt nessacary. . .moving on.. the B52 is expected to last beyond 2045 and will surly meet and beat that expectation as it is a great heavy bomber.

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/B_52_Stratofortress.html

[miles teg 1]

Beyond 2045? Where did that info come from? I don't think any airframe would be usable past 85 years unless they practically build new ones.... which actually is something they should do rather then build all these super expensive B2 bombers that are quickly being outdated by advances in AA radar technology.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[~Too Tall~ 0]

miles ur a noob.  . . .so i will cut u some slack.. .they update it it every so often. .B52A, B52B, B52C so on and so on. . .

once again i will SHOW you the site of the US airforce on this onformation on a military athorized site

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/B_52_Stratofortress.html

[pzvg 0]

Too tall, I'm on the road so I cannot barrage you with pics

When you come down from being pendantic, reread my post

<btw design and proof of concept date from aug of 1949, I have factory data>

I know it's still <sorta> capable, and will be for at least 10 more years, trouble is , most of the heavy fleet is going to be axed by 2009, with 8th Air Force coming Air Combat Command

in 2005.

[~Too Tall~ 0]

"sorta" are you nuts?. .its IS capable of achive ing its task in missions . .it works and does what its designed to do. u dont give that big boy enuf credit. . . but im not gonna waste my time arguing with you. .i remeber u from the F15E post .. .and remebered. .i dont like you. . .so i dont need to waste my time  you are the weakest link. .  .GOODBYE  

[Ludovico Technique 0]

The B52 will carry on for ages simply because its a big ox of an aircraft that does everything a plane of its type has to do. The stealth bomber was a white elephant, and it won't see large scale deployment because it costs nearly a billion dollars a pop and isn't very good (why fork out a billion bucks for a plane that can dodge radar when for half the cost you can have a squadron of fighters blow the radar up before you even send the bombers in?).