What would happen

[ran 0]

you can , but then you have to face the consequences

[ralphwiggum 6]

i think it's pretty much same for all country.

[DarkLight 0]

What about, when you refuse to do your mission because it's too dangerous? Because your 'bosses' ask you to do something impossible that'll get your whole squad killed? Are there rules for stuff like that?

[Wobble 1]

"suicide missions" were pretty commin in WW2.. and veitnam to a lesser extent, but unless your in the Chinese army.. or Taliban, or Saddam's bitches... i doubt you will see any these days..

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Jan. 04 2003,20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What about, when you refuse to do your mission because it's too dangerous?  Because your 'bosses' ask you to do something impossible that'll get your whole squad killed?  Are there rules for stuff like that?<span id='postcolor'>

i'd say that it depends if it's worth it :

*if it's a really important mission that could save people or land or whatever , if it's for a clear goal , if it's for something you agree with , then , you just obey and do you best

*if it's a senseless order with worthless goal:

3 solutions :

1. you die heroically in mission as the good sheep you are

2. you disobey to the order and face consequences

3. you desert and if caught , you face the consequences

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Jan. 04 2003,20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What about, when you refuse to do your mission because it's too dangerous?  Because your 'bosses' ask you to do something impossible that'll get your whole squad killed?  Are there rules for stuff like that?<span id='postcolor'>

Its never just like that. You have a chain of command. A soldier doesn't go to the general and say "that's too dangerous". He tells his squad leader. The squad leader tells the platoon leader.. etc If it really is a suicide mission it is improbable that it will be enforced on all the levels of the command chain.

The comanding officers are also bound by law to reasonably protect those under their command.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 04 2003,22:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Jan. 04 2003,20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What about, when you refuse to do your mission because it's too dangerous?  Because your 'bosses' ask you to do something impossible that'll get your whole squad killed?  Are there rules for stuff like that?<span id='postcolor'>

Its never just like that. You have a chain of command. A soldier doesn't go to the general and say "that's too dangerous". He tells his squad leader. The squad leader tells the platoon leader.. etc If it really is a suicide mission it is improbable that it will be enforced on all the levels of the command chain.

The comanding officers are also bound by law to reasonably protect those under their command.<span id='postcolor'>

believe me , the chain of command sometimes break

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Jan. 04 2003,15:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3 solutions :

1. you die heroically in mission as the good sheep you are

2. you disobey to the order and face consequences

3. you desert and if caught , you face the consequences<span id='postcolor'>

Or 4. you keep insisting you can not understand the given order.

5. you commit suicide rather than make a decision because you are not cut out for command and decision making.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 04 2003,22:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Jan. 04 2003,15:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3 solutions :

1. you die heroically in mission as the good sheep you are

2. you disobey to the order and face consequences

3. you desert and if caught , you face the consequences<span id='postcolor'>

Or 4. you keep insisting you can not understand the given order.

5. you commit suicide rather than make a decision because you are not cut out for command and decision making.<span id='postcolor'>

if you go that way .....

7 you fill the vehicles' fuel tanks with sugar

8 you emty all mthe rifle magazines and throw all the ammo in a river

9 you remove most of the firing parts of the guns including the ones of the armourer's stock and hide them

-edit- 10 , you brake a leg

11 you behave bad and get busted by mp's

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Jan. 04 2003,22:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">believe me , the chain of command sometimes break<span id='postcolor'>

Of course it does but it provides an additional safety layer. Military organizations are if anything very bureaucratic and just that prevents many things. There is a long way to the point that one individual sodier realizes that it is a suicide mission (and objects to that) and nobody else (co, squad mates) agrees.

It is more likely that a commanding officer objects to orders coming from above then a grunt doing it.

[TaNK_Em 0]

What about geting drunk lol you wont get as in much trouble.

[Balschoiw 0]

There is a way that has been often used in the camps I have been. If there was an abroad (possibly dangerous) mission order a lot of the wannabees, that acted like the supersoldiers within daily camp life got ill suddenly...

Surprisingly the higher the rank and the louder the people acted during trainings the more likely they got ill of strange deseases before the missions. They sucked.

Always gave me a hype when I returned from missions and looked into their faces. I have no respect for such guys and even in regular camp service after a mission I did not respect them at all. When they came up with their rank and order shit I sometimes only laughed at them. They knew it and I knew it, so I had a really "untouched" life after my first missions.

I don´t respect anyone who signs for a job, get´s the money and all benefits that come with it, but doesnt feel to work in the job he was trained for.

For sure, if I had doubts on mission intentions or even during the mission I used my mouth to speak it out and if you got a good leader he will know how to "interpret" the orders given on paper. No order can be that precise that you don´t have a chance to "go around" it a little and see what fits the situation best.

If any order should be given to me, that is against basic human rights or includes executions of civillians (even in the wide way) I will not follow it, as such order is NO order to be followed by all means.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Jan. 04 2003,22:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If any order should be given to me, that is against basic human rights or includes executions of civillians (even in the wide way) I will not follow it, as such order is NO order to be followed by all means.<span id='postcolor'>

That's good to hear Balschoiw, especially when you know your side or ally is not in any immediate danger, better to at least reconsider the situation.