starstreams 0 Posted January 3, 2003 Someone at my work was telling me that a BMP is not a tank but an APC. I personally consider it to be a tank, is a BMP1 and BMP2 a tank? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted January 3, 2003 It's an APC with a turret. It's relatively easy to destroy a BMP or penetrate its armor, according to some military vets and mavens that have discussed this here in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Snrub 0 Posted January 3, 2003 It's more of an Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) - which pretty much evolved from Armoured Personnel Carriers in that it was thought it was a good idea if infantry actually had some protection on the battlefield... The BMP-series is closer to the M2/M3 Bradley vehicles than M113 APCs. Oh BTW, the term "tank" is used pretty loosely, especially by the general public, but seeing as you have other types of vehicles such as IFVs, APCs etc. you can probably narrow 'tanks' down to mean an tracked, armoured vehicle with heavier armour than an APC/IFV and with a large-calibre gun mounted on it. This definition excludes vehicles like the BMP, M2 Bradley and Self-Propelled Artillery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starstreams 0 Posted January 3, 2003 Thanks theavonlady so I guess this guy at my work was correct. It’s just that everywhere I’ve looked on the net says that a BMP is a tank used for killing infantry. I thought APC’s were vehicles mostly for carrying solders. For example I know for sure that an 1113 is an APC. Regardless of how easy or not it is to destroy a BMP where doses this name APC come from? So are we using the word or terminology (APC) as describing something that is easy to destroy? Or would it be better to say an APC is a vehicle for carrying men? even if the word APC is just a name for a class, it is still a tank none the less...right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 3, 2003 The BMP1 and BMP2 are IFVs, as Mr. Snrub said. The distinguishing feature is the firepower that can be brought to bear, making the IFV capable of not just being a battlefield taxi, but defending itself even against heavy armor and being employed in an offensive role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starstreams 0 Posted January 3, 2003 Sorry Mr. Snrub, I didn’t see your post before I hit the submit button Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 3, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (starstreams @ Jan. 02 2003,22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Regardless of how easy or not it is to destroy a BMP where doses this name APC come from?<span id='postcolor'> APC = Armored Personnel Carrier IFV = Infantry Fighting Vehicle MBT = Main Battle Tank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toadeater 0 Posted January 3, 2003 Mr. Snrub is correct. It's not really an APC, it's an IFV, an Infantry Fighting Vehicle. In any case, it's not a tank. BMP 2 Specs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 3, 2003 Of course, they soldiers in OFP still report "APC" when they spot one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Snrub 0 Posted January 3, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (starstreams @ Jan. 03 2003,15:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry Mr. Snrub, I didn’t see your post before I hit the submit button<span id='postcolor'> Not a prob While I was editing my post another 8 or so posts came up - posts are flying everywhere! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toadeater 0 Posted January 3, 2003 Mr. Frag is correct, the soldiers in OFP are insane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted January 3, 2003 "Oh no, 4 ... is down!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruskiesrule 0 Posted January 3, 2003 "4's been hit!" would be better i think! Since in a battle field scenario a soldier can still be shot and made useless yet still be alive! In Wolfenstein (I know the games mostly unrealistic) if you get 'killed' your actual still alive but you can move, medics can come and heal you with (what i think is) adrenalin and then give you med packs. Enemy soldiers can get their knifes out and stab'ya till you actualy are killed. And you can die from grenades both friend or foe. And of course, if you die by stand on top of a grenade your blown away and you can be healed at all! I love wolfenstein, i always play as an engineer and drop a grenade on top of an enemy machine gun! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBass 0 Posted January 4, 2003 The BMP is not a tank, as Avon said is an APC with a main gun and a turret. It was really the first vehicle (aside from maybe some of the more powerful German half-tracks) to also be able to take a serious role in anti tank capabilities. Becoming half an Armoured fighting vehicle. Russian military doctrine in assaults was usually to use the BMPs to ferry troops to the battlefield, let them disembark and then help spearhead the assault with their infantry supporting. They rarely engaged in pre planned action with infantrymen on-board despite the BMPs own personal firearms ports. However, despite the aggresive anti tank capibility the BMP had little chance of surviving a hit from a Main gun or even a personal AT weapon, due to very thin armour. There was also a very well noted design flaw in that the fuel tanks were very exposed by the back doors. It is entirely possible to destory a BMP by attaching a humble hand grenade to the exposed fuel tanks on the back doors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cybrid 0 Posted January 4, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Wolfenstein (I know the games mostly unrealistic) if you get 'killed' your actual still alive but you can move, medics can come and heal you with (what i think is) adrenalin and then give you med packs. Enemy soldiers can get their knifes out and stab'ya till you actualy are killed. And you can die from grenades both friend or foe. And of course, if you die by stand on top of a grenade your blown away and you can be healed at all! I love wolfenstein, i always play as an engineer and drop a grenade on top of an enemy machine gun!<span id='postcolor'> What Wolfenstein is this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaNK_Em 0 Posted January 4, 2003 I think he was thinking of return to castle wolfenstien And i dont really think your dead i just think your KOed pretty good. But yeah AI call things whatever they so desire "All get in APC 2 O' Clock" "All target Solider (LAW) 12 o clock" "All disembar... BOOM" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toadeater 0 Posted January 4, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (You_looking_at_me? @ Jan. 04 2003,03:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There was also a very well noted design flaw in that the fuel tanks were very exposed by the back doors. It is entirely possible to destory a BMP by attaching a humble hand grenade to the exposed fuel tanks on the back doors.<span id='postcolor'> If they're still using gasoline for them? If its diesel, it's not going to ignite that easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 4, 2003 AFAIK, the BMP has never used a gasoline engine, it's always used diesel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaNK_Em 0 Posted January 4, 2003 Yea like most military viechles it uses diesel you wouldent get the performace out of reguler gas. Heck if i was in something with armor i would want the GAS tank to have alot of it. In police cars they have tank shields so if someone hits em from behind it would explode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
