War on iraq

[Lord Ryan 0]

no i dont harnu :-)

i just remembered P3X then i put random numbers

[Warin 0]

Make the US come to me.

Leave the open deserts to them and barricade myself inside the cities. Dont stick to military posts, use civilian buildings that I know the US wont bomb for fear of inciting huge backlash in the western media. Make the Americans fight for every street and every building. Hope that a steady parade of dead American soldiers will weaken US resolve. Lob a few conventional warhead SCUDs at Isreal. Under no circumstances use chemical or biological weapons.. After all..that would validate the US position, right?

Hey..I am an evil dictator arent I?

As the Americans:

Surround Baghdad. Total interdiction. Starve Saddam out.

[arkadeyevich 0]

-Make every battle like Stalingrad. Don't evacuate the civilians.  There is no painless way to conquer a well defended city.

-Lob scuds at Israel.

-Stay away from using chem weapons to avoid a nuclear response.

-Fight the propaganda war. Get clips of bombed childrens hospital on CNN. Support anti-us/anti-israel grassroot movements is other arab states.

[Jinef 2]

NO DON'T SUPPORT ANTI US MOVEMENTS! As Warin said that would justify the terrorist thing.

Be lovely and nice and appeal to the world.

"My mustache and me are being attacked by the evil yanks. Help Us and help the childen......*sniff*.........the children............don't forget the children...........*starts to cry""

[Placebo 29]

Bye bye then Espectro.

[VXR 9]

Jinef is espectro?

[ale2999 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Nov. 10 2002,21:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bye bye then Espectro.<span id='postcolor'>

placebo wrong thread?

Anyways, you guys got most of the options ironed out. But do u guys thinks that Saddam and his generals are thinking about this same stuff at the moment? Why would you not Accept UN resolution, it looks really foolish.

If he doesnt accept I am gonna be scared cuz saddam might have a jolly in his pocket......

[Placebo 29]

LOL no SantaMania is Espectro, sorry for the confusion

[5thSFG.Hawkins 0]

Saddam Hussein has very limited options this time. With the US/Britian strictly enforcing the no fly zones, we essentially have cleared must of the country from AAA, SAMs, and comm centers.

The scud option is only viable if they were well maintained. Otherwise, you'll be lucky to get it off the launching vehicle. Even if they were well maintained, the US Special Forces ground teams had a very detailed and effective option for designating scuds for air strikes during the Gulf War. With 10+ years plus of technological improvements, the US has, yet again, the advantages to carry out such an operation with great success with minimal loss.

A theater based NBC attack, would be a very foolish option indeed. One it proves the US's viewpoints even more and getting more support would be easy. By that way, Saddam basically signed his own death warrant (not that he hasn't already.)

Winter warfare would effectively hinder Saddam's military. The US Military is effectively trained to handle situations in any type of situation (anytime, anywhere, any condition). So the US would have the upper hand in this situation.

The only thing really available for Hussein to do would be human shields...as he has done in the past.

[Balschoiw 0]

The routes american soldiers can take to get to baghdad are known and limited. With that corridors I would get them near to me and ignite my "buried treasures" there or whatever weapons when they have passed mainly. This will kill a lot of troops and stop the movement of a big convoi that assumed to go through cleared territory. Cities are great for me. The locals have prepared the main roads, bridges , houses, suspect facilities. They will go off with a bang when US are right at them. Demoralizing and very man consuming. Tanks are taken from open desert into shelters and can fire well fortified. Examplary liquidations shown in media should help to bring up talkings worldwide. Suicidal commandos in civilian clothes will take out proceeding units and be a pain in the a**. I would not attack israel. Israel will get into war this time and that is not necessary. Palestinians will keep them busy in their own country. I would remain very silent at least and give the US forces the impression of fleeing and headless troops when I hit them real bad in camps they assume as "safe". Terror methods can be really efficient with that situation. Everyone you kill near a US camp is an enemy. So i would  make plans (well covered) abroad also to attack US camps in reachable countries. A break into Iran could be helpful. Make the US shoot other arab nations and they will stand behind you. Make US the enemy to as many countries as you can find. Be assured of the Arab league countries to get into war if they are attacked by US. Make it way. I certainly wont forget that arab people are more filled with US - hate than the regimes that control them, so offer them what they want to get them on your side an die a holy death. I dont need nukes I only need radiactive material to harm US on long term. With some kilos I can hit US without them noticing. Place material like this like belts round the cities in combination with gas and conventional weapons. Booby traps are hard to find, so use plenty. US will cut out it´s own airforce supply cause it is not possible to go into towns with air force without attacking their own troops. So i would set up a lot of mobile not-armored AA teams to take down helos and slow flying inf supporters. The more this war will go guerilla, there more lifes will be taken from US.

I seriously think, 5 - 30 000 kills on US and allied side should be possible. For sure iraq will be wiped afterwards, but I dont think Saddam AND the inhabitants of iraq AND the arab league AND the palestinian will stop revenging them till the day of the planet is over.

BTW: Any attack on on islamic country during "Ramadan"-time will put a lot of hate towards US in general. So watch your Skyscrapers and embassies.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

I think Balschoiw has it pretty much summed up in that post.

Since the Iraqi army is far technologically behind America, you need to be fighting in a situation where having the best technology dosnt count. Street fighting is a great place for that. At close range, Chobham armour or not, a 125mm shell from a T-72 will be nasty. Since the Iraqi army would have more man-power, they could fortify more buildings.

[FSPilot 0]

I'd do it the same way we did it last time.

It looks like we'll have a coalition too, if the UN decides to start backing itself up.

Unless Saddam starts cooperating. But what are the odds of that.

If anything, he'll say he'll let inspectors in, then not, just to drag it out for another few months while he's sill developing WMDs.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Nov. 10 2002,23:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW: Any attack on on islamic country during "Ramadan"-time will put a lot of hate towards US in general. So watch your Skyscrapers and embassies.<span id='postcolor'>

if i remember correctly, Arabs themselves didn't bother with that nor with US's last action on Afghanistan.

I doubt if Arabs don't know about the significance of last UN resolution.

[FSPilot 0]

Sept. 11th is a holiday, but THEY STILL ATTACKED US!!!

LOL, ok, j/k

If I were in command (God forbid) I'd try to reach a cease-fire agreement for religious holidays. B ut I wouldn't bend over backwards for it.

[NavyEEL 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Nov. 10 2002,23:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The more this war will go guerilla, there more lifes will be taken from US.

I seriously think, 5 - 30 000 kills on US and allied side should be possible.<span id='postcolor'>

i dont necessarily agree... the US has forces well trained in guerilla tactics, and lots of them. mines, yeah they could pose a threat, but we also have tons of units and technology trained to deal with those. special ops and special forces can disable booby traps, and there are tanks designed to take out any mines. as for helicopters, yeah that's possible and maybe even likely to happen, but that comes with the job description. i wouldnt count on many helicopters getting shot down though.... there will most likely be air support to clear any LZ's, and besides that, once US troops are on the ground then the iraqis are pretty much screwed. we will beat them in numbers, in technology, in training, and in tactics. also, i dont think that the allies will suffer 5-30k kills. casualties are to be expected... after all, this is a war. but i dont think the numbers will be that high.

[Balschoiw 0]

...so it´s all the population of Iraq against you. Guess who knows his country better ? Havent you experienced that lately in Afghanistan. I doubt that the civil people will not work together with their military cousins. It´s one thing to do all that mine searching and booby traps clearing. It´s a long road to Baghdad and you have very little time to cope this way. Therefore all your high skilled trained whatever are on a hurry to baghdad and dont have time to be cautious. See what I mean ? In modern conflicts, boobytrap teams get into houses for clearing "after" the town has been taken over. That makes a significant difference. You see time is on Saddam´s side

[NavyEEL 0]

time may be on his side... but the odds sure aren't and we're gonna stay committed until the job is done anyway, so it's not a matter of time being a defense for him... its just a matter of whether he'll be killed in two months or twenty months.

[Balschoiw 0]

20 months are a very long time, if the deathtoll rises daily. Guess people don´t like wars that kill their sons. And i have to assume the deathtoll will be very high for the allies, no matter how good, how well equipped, how motivated they are.

But I will now stay out of this as it was not ment to be a discussion. I explained my bloody plans and will check my palaces

8 if I remember right

[OFPunk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Draw the fighting to the cities. Go for a high US body count instead of holding as much territory as possible.<span id='postcolor'>

I think that is Iraq's best chance because they don't stand a chance against our armor and air attacks in the desert but when you bring the fighting into the cities then its gonna get down to infantry vs. infantry and the US would lose some soldiers. If it came down to infantry Iraq actually has a chance because if too many americans die the goverment will pull out.

[Nagual 0]

I think the americans would have to use various tecniques to gain support for the war, such as:

[arkadeyevich 0]

It looks like most people here agree that Saddams best option is to fight is the cities.

What is the best way to attack a fortified city?

[Lord Ryan 0]

a nuke

[ralphwiggum 6]

trojan horse

or have Steven Seagul sing.

[Necromancer- 0]

simple....just surround it and let them hunger. (old medieval tactic)

but high civilian casualties though.

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Nov. 10 2002,20:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I were in command (God forbid) I'd try to reach a cease-fire agreement for religious holidays.  <span id='postcolor'>

Funny you should mention that. Going a bit offtopic here, but in WWII in North Africa, Rommel's troops fighting the Brits had quite a civilized way of doing things. If I remember correctly they designated specific hours 0600-1800 (not sure exactly) during which they would fight. I heard a story that a German soldier once stole a British truck full of cigarettes and brought them to the camp. His commander asked him to take that truck back to the Brits as it was past 1800 and thus no military action should have been conducted.

I wonder if they got weekends and holidays off too