Large demonstrations throughout the world

[NavyEEL 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (arkadeyevich @ Oct. 28 2002,23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes, iraq supported terrorism.  those of you who want proof... what, you want saddam to publicly admit it?  the evidence is there, and so are the motives, so just accept it.

the public receives information on a need-to-know basis...  <span id='postcolor'>

Just because Dubya says so, doesn't count as evidence ;-) If he actually had some he would have used it to gain public support, or at least to build a coallition like before the Afganistan campaign. Also seems like Congress is on a need to know basis. Face it. There is no evidence.

Even the CIA can't seem to find any.   <span id='postcolor'>

and you're trusting the information on a european website? it's US information, not UK's. do you watch the news? have you seen what saddam is capable of? are you gonna wait until thousands of civilians die to take action? not a very smart move, and id love to see you try to explain that rationale to the victims of any terrorist attack or attack by iraq.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">as long as islam thinks they are rigth<span id='postcolor'>

Wouldn't you say this applies to nations as well duke?

Its interesting seeing how duke has started to grow more anti-Islamic during his duration on the boards. Could it be that the sermon he attends every Sunday is preaching hate?  

I bring this up because not too long ago I was watching one of those Christian sermon things on T.V., coincidently it was from Texas. The Pastor said that Christians should not appease evil in any way, and that Islam was evil since it is not Christian (duh). And by appeasing American Muslims, Christians are betraying god. He also said that Christians should take a stand against and face up against Muslims. Now I don't know what he meant by "appease", but I sure can speculate. I always find it funny and at the same time sickening when religous people excuse or brush off the crimes of their past by simply saying "they weren't real [intsert faith here]."

Sorry for going offtopic...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Oct. 28 2002,15:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Oct. 28 2002,23:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">basically what Duke of Ray is saying is that:

Christianity = Good

Islam = Bad

And what I'm saying is:

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You are right, as long as islam thinks they are rigth, which they ain't, they will continue to want to kill non-belivers, something Christians do not want to do, well the true ones don't. The people who did those things in the name of God where miss using his name, and they where not being true Christians. I would say that the devil is the root of all evil.<span id='postcolor'>

You know, one could take that entire statement, swap the words "Christian" and "Islam" wherever they appear, and see how most people in the Middle East feel.<span id='postcolor'>

Wouldn't U.S. fit better? I usually hear the complaint from Arabs about the U.S. and not about Christians.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Oct. 29 2002,00:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ooh yeah , and it's the excuse you'll use to play around with your nifty GBU's<span id='postcolor'>

LOL, someone just fell for one of Saddam's tricks.  He wants to make us out to be the bad guys by hiding WMDs in civilian areas, so he has CNN on speed dial for when we bomb them.<span id='postcolor'>

you're the bad guys if you play his game too .....

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ Oct. 29 2002,00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and you're trusting the information on a european website?  it's US information, not UK's.  do you watch the news? have you seen what saddam is capable of?  are you gonna wait until thousands of civilians die to take action?  not a very smart move, and id love to see you try to explain that rationale to the victims of any terrorist attack or attack by iraq.<span id='postcolor'>

Blair has his head firmly up Bush's ass. So yes, I generally will give some credibility to UK sources.

Now... with the shoot now, ask questions later philosophy, I am going to subtly change something you've said and see how true it rings...

id love to see you try to explain that rationale to the victims of any pre-emptive attack by America.

America does NOT have the right to kill people in an effort to stem something that MIGHT happen. Does it suck to have to wait until something happens? Sure. But if you wish to remain part of the rational and civilised community of nations, you have to play by certain rules.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ Oct. 29 2002,00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (arkadeyevich @ Oct. 28 2002,23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes, iraq supported terrorism.  those of you who want proof... what, you want saddam to publicly admit it?  the evidence is there, and so are the motives, so just accept it.

the public receives information on a need-to-know basis...  <span id='postcolor'>

Just because Dubya says so, doesn't count as evidence ;-) If he actually had some he would have used it to gain public support, or at least to build a coallition like before the Afganistan campaign. Also seems like Congress is on a need to know basis. Face it. There is no evidence.

Even the CIA can't seem to find any.   <span id='postcolor'>

and you're trusting the information on a european website?  it's US information, not UK's.  do you watch the news? have you seen what saddam is capable of?  are you gonna wait until thousands of civilians die to take action?  not a very smart move, and id love to see you try to explain that rationale to the victims of any terrorist attack or attack by iraq.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL ? what the fuck ?

if you consider it carefully , it's the europe that should be neutral , not the U since they are the principal interested in this affair

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Oct. 29 2002,00:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont hate US. How can I ? I only hate how people talk about wars. I hate people that have no clue what the word war means in real life. I hate to see deads. I hate to see killed collateral damage children. I hate the smell that burnt bodies cause. I hate not to be able to explain to a civilian why there town was flattened and a completete generation was killed. I hate the economic motives behind wars. I hate the politicians for abusing fears and telling lies to convince their people that war is good. I am doing my part to make this world a little better. I am active UN trooper and have risked my life for people that only were able to survive a few days longer cause we have been there. And what I hate most is ignorance. Ignorance makes stupid. And stupidity makes a lot of people favour wars.<span id='postcolor'>

Blah blah blah, in other words: "war = bad.  stupid people disagree with me."

I'm not exactly sure where you're from, but I'm pretty sure it's not from the U.S.

The United States is being threatened here, not France, not Russia, not Great Britain, the U.S.  Maybe it would change your opinion some if your country was shut down for a day and lost over 3000 citizens?  Maybe it would change your opinion if a clear and present danger to your country has the capability to get, or already has weapons of mass destruction.

All I'm saying is this: if your country were threatened, maybe you'd think differently.<span id='postcolor'>

ooooooh yeah ........

after your own little war , the muslim (i mean the ones you like to show on the news , the ones you please to describe) will attack to anything that represent western world , and europe is at the door of middle east

and then again , you'll put the mess in irak , but who will stay there for the 15 years coming after you "intervention" (i should say massacre) ??? the brave little european blue guys

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Oct. 28 2002,18:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All I'm saying is this: if your country were threatened, maybe you'd think differently.<span id='postcolor'>

I would leave the US immediately... I think it's dangerous and not worth it to put up with a piece of crap Government. I would never do such a thing as risk my life for that goverments well being.

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The reasons to start a war is never, or very seldomly, only due to one single reason. I will here post 3 more or less important, and seldomly discussed, unofficial reasons for the US government wanting to start a war against Iraq. There are indeed more reasons that I cant think of right now (apart from the 'in it self not so important' oil argument, or indeed the 'mass destruction argument' ), but here they are in short:

1. Unification (or centralization) of the American people towards a common enemy. Extremely useful to keep domestic economics/production on top, and to keep the focus away from domestic problems - among many other things..

2. The Israeli lobby in washington. There is no way that Iraq is a direct threat towards USA with its maximum of a dozen scud missiles (to carry any eventual nukes), each with a range of only 300 kilometers. One info source about the Israeli lobby can be found here

3. To justify the upholding and development/expansion of a great big war machine. The war industry is not a small one, and the Bush administration recently got a even greater defence budget.

Of course these, and many other, reasons all interact with each other, and might not really be viewed separately. Its impossible to just point at one single major thing - but the current, as everything else absract, US foregin policy really stinks in many peoples noses...

any comments or additions?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, one could take that entire statement, swap the words "Christian" and "Islam" wherever they appear, and see how most people in the Middle East feel.

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You could, but it would be wrong.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wouldn't U.S. fit better? I usually hear the complaint from Arabs about the U.S. and not about Christians.<span id='postcolor'>

Which they see the U.S. as Christians and want to kill all non-believers. I am not saying all muslims are bad, just the religion.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wouldn't you say this applies to nations as well duke?

Its interesting seeing how duke has started to grow more anti-Islamic during his duration on the boards. Could it be that the sermon he attends every Sunday is preaching hate?

I bring this up because not too long ago I was watching one of those Christian sermon things on T.V., coincidently it was from Texas. The Pastor said that Christians should not appease evil in any way, and that Islam was evil since it is not Christian (duh). And by appeasing American Muslims, Christians are betraying god. He also said that Christians should take a stand against and face up against Muslims. Now I don't know what he meant by "appease", but I sure can speculate. I always find it funny and at the same time sickening when religous people excuse or brush off the crimes of their past by simply saying "they weren't real [intsert faith here]."

Sorry for going offtopic...

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I am not anti-islamic, I can just see the truth. Also any Christian that just kills a muslim in the name of God is wrong, and he should be punished. I do not hate muslims, I love them, I would probably help one if he nedded it, but I would also tell him the truth about Christ. The muslim religion is an evil satanic religion that many people sadly become a part of. Also all the "Christians", like the chruches of Rome, who killed other Christians where wrong, and I make no excuse for this except that I do not believe most of them where really Christians. Oh yea I am form the land of Bar B Q.

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my god ....

will abstract of any misplaced and defecating comment toward DOR and his truth

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