Us-north korean war

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 26 2002,04:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also North Korea has no connections with terrorism that I know of whereas Iraq certainly has connections w/ terrorist groups, such as Al Queida

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So why did Bush put NK into "The axis of evil" ?<span id='postcolor'>

my guess is that we knew about their program long before. CIA ain't that dumb.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

The question is, say for some reason a war did occur, America and Soth Korea easily waltz into North Korea paving the way through mountains of dead North Koreans who couldnt stand up to the might of America and South Korea, what happens next? So, once the Communist Goverment was defeated most North Koreans would probably be happy to live under democracy, but no everybody. So there would probably bands of guerilla fighters to make sure things were never relaxed, and what about China? Its not going to be too happy to have America on its doorstep.......

Lets just hope a war does not occur between the US, South Korea and North Korea

[ralphwiggum 6]

well, one fundamental thing that lies between NK and SK ppl are that they are of one heritage. so they seem to be in those one of love-hate relationship.

so should SK whoop NK out and take over NK, i don't think there will be much resistance. ppl who loose previlege under new gov't would rebel to a bit, but they know it's better to continue current situation and keep status quo than to provoke a war.

If NK attaks first, China will try to stop any war. they know US and SK will be in front of their doors, so they never want the buffer(NK) to go away. so they will stop the war.

SK doesn't seem to be on offenseve position, so unless NK makes grave misjudgement, there is no chance of war.

[zverushka 0]

If china gets involved in aconventional war, there ass would be kicked. They have a huge disorganized army that's connected by RAILROAD with bloody pitchforks and crappy unreliable cheap ak clones. Any army in any major european country could eliminate china quite easily.

[ACES_KEVIN 0]

I dont see it in the future that china is in a state to start pickin a war with the US. Yes they are close allies. But i dont feel there in a economic state to be begining wars. Expecially huge long bloody wars. They got problems to fix at home first. But us killin a bunch of chineese would help there population problem. Kinda sick but all these ppl got to go somewere. So who knows.

Kevin

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[Cloney 0]

Quantity has a Quality of its own...

Lets not forget, During the Korean War, American Soldiers and Marines would wipe out entire battalions with HE Artillery fire, then they would fire untill the barrels on their rifles and machine guns would melt. By this time, thousands of Chinese soldiers in the flower of their youth are plastered all over the South Korean hillsides.

Guess what happens next? Five more battalions of Chinese Infantry come up and stomp all over the jelly which was once their comrades. By this time, the Marines and Army soldier have fixed bayonets and called in tac air. Now the Fighters with napalm and 500lb bombs blow away some more Chinese Infantry. Not enough, the Chinese, with nearly 6000 infantry men overrun a position of only about 300 American soldiers. The Hand to Hand fighting is intense but there are simply too many of them to be stopped.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 26 2002,08:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are very wrong here my friend. They are actually investing a shitload of money into army. And they do have up to date weapon systems. Never underestimate Asian forces.<span id='postcolor'>

What money? They don't even have enough to feed their people.

And I don't generalize like that. I wasn't talking about all asian forces.

[edc 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And they do have up to date weapon systems<span id='postcolor'>

Yeh I heard they recently just bought several P-51s

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Maybe not at the moment, but in a few years the Chinese PLA

and other armed forces will not be something to take lightly. At the moment China is in the process of a massive Upgrading of their armed forces, and while America would still probably win a convintional war, it would be tough. They have started producing a liscenced copy of the Su-27 Flanker, they are making the J-10, they have modern SAMS they are brining in modern tanks that in large numbers could overwhelm the Abrams, they are moving away from the old human wave attacks and into more modern tactics. If a war broke out between the US and North Korea and China got involved for whatever reason, ti wouldn't be a walk over for the Americans unless they had luck on their side big time.

A website about China's military

As you can see here, not all of the equiptment they have is old '50s era stuff. Not all of it is up to Western standards, but they have some good stuff.

[ralphwiggum 6]

once again, let me point out that their(NK) training has been limited. although they will get more *advanced* conventional weapons, the won't have much chance to train it to use its full potential, and even if they do, they still don't have significant advantage.

and speaking of China, nah, they got better things to do then participating in war.

Korean war and chinese involvement was almost predicted since war between commnism and capitalism started after WW2. however, this time, the war btw the two is not present and China has more to loose if the war breaks out.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

In all reality no, China would not want to get into a war, so North Korea gets pummeled and Korea lived happily ever after!

Until some radical Chinese leader comes into power and wants to make some breathing space......

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Oct. 26 2002,07:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Until some radical Chinese leader comes into power and wants to make some breathing space......<span id='postcolor'>

never underestimate Chinese.

in real life, i meet a lot of chinese ppl(friends and colleagues) and they are quite a strong ppl.

in any case, war will leave both koreas devastated. seoul is within mid-range missile attack range, and contains 25% of SK's population, and most of gov't agencies.

[second_draw 0]

Bad joke from my memory:

A chinese commander is on the battlefield when he hears "a US marine can defeat 10 chinese". Enraged the commander sends to of his men over the hill. After a short gun battle the commander hears, "a US marine can defeat 100 chinese". Enraged the commander sends 100 of his men over the hill. After a lengthy gun fight he hears, "a US marine can defeat 5000 chinese". The commander sends the 5000 of his men and after the battle, a chinese soldier managed survive and return to the commander. The soldier crawls up to the commander and says, "They were lying, there were two US marines".

[Sam Samson 0]

the koreans came forward so swiftly because of bush's saber rattling. they had no desire to be the next state with a lying rogue oppressive system being taken down after iraq. the rhetoric works.

I hear the US is trying to do something like buy their nukes.

about a likely scenario:

the north would have to fire first of course.

but would they succeed? unlikely. korea has a very challenging terrain. for a tank invasion only a handfull of routes are available. the south might actually be able to do a turkey shoot on them.

the US airforce rules the sky.

problematic might be the commandos coming in through tunnels or midget submarines.

I assume the north would go to seoul and resort to terror tactics. the moneyless rogues of the world are learning about the effectiveness of guerrilla warfare these days...

[PFC_Mike 2]

I think that China would intervene on the side of the US. If china hates the US so much, why is Jiang in texas?

I hope that I live to see that day that China converts to a US-style Jeffersonian capitalist democracy. They will then be a superpower, and an ally for the forces of freedom and justice.

I believe this will happen slightly after hell freezes over.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PFC_Mike @ Oct. 26 2002,17:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that China would intervene on the side of the US. If china hates the US so much, why is Jiang in texas?<span id='postcolor'>

it's called diplomacy. although Castro hates US, he meets with or talks with US. I heard that US informed cuban gov't that some detainees would be sent to camp X-ray before hand.

same goes with Jiang.

about NK nuke.

geneva agreement stated that NK get IAEA inspection to ensure that they do not use their nuclear plants for bomb manufacturing, and they did allow so. however, in return, US was to provided some materials for non-nuclear powerplants, and one of them included heacy water. but then Republican congress did not allow funding to do so. so in certain aspect Republicans hold blames too.

and I still have some suspicion about NK's coming out. they have one of the stupidest/most cunning diplomatic rhetorics, so maybe they are even bluffing.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ACES_KEVIN @ Oct. 26 2002,05:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But us killin a bunch of chineese would help there population problem.<span id='postcolor'>

flaming. 24hr post restriction.

[Othin 0]

I really don't forsee it coming to war. On the hardware and training side North Korea just dosen't match up to South Korea and the United States. And the equipment they have is old (not neccisarily in years, but in technology). There is almost always a Carrier within the area as well. (or as the North Koreans describe us on the radio, "the Capitalist Pirate Ship Kitty Hawk")

A war with the U.S. and SK would do nothing but cost NK men, equipment, and destabilize the govt. If push did come to shove and the U.S. and SK (and most likely a coalition of other countries) I would forsee a policy of regime change or unification being pursued. That means they would push right up to the Chinese border.

I think Ralph (if not sorry) was correct earlier when he said that China would want a buffer zone of some sort. However I think China would probably set it up themselves. I know Hong Kong is a "Special Administration Zone" (or something like that) that allows them to still retain the benefits of a capitilist society/economy. They're also setting one up on the western coast somewhere. I think they would probably do the same on the borders of NK.

It would be a great chance for them to fill a market with their goods. And after a period of stabilization I forsee NK as being a huge black hole for goods. People will want EVERYTHING.

And then the unified Koreans could give the U.S. back the USS Pueblo as a thank you gift.

[zverushka 0]

sorry I had to say that, please don't ban meh!

Another korean war ain't gonna happen boys. And good for that too, it would be too bad if china and america would fight, the poor chinese'ld be slautered.

[red oct 2]

well i think you might wana edit that, but any case, why would the U.S. and China go to war? after establishing trade agreements, why go and throw that all away?