DarkLight 0 Posted October 4, 2002 I was wondering what sniper rifle has the best range, what rifle is accurate at extremely high distances (of course in the hand of an expert). And how much is that range? No special reason, i just wondered what gun would be most effective... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted October 4, 2002 Whichever one this Canadian sniper was using. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted October 4, 2002 Skill (and to some degree luck) are far more important than the rilfe being used. That being said, there are several things to consider. In terms of maximum range, the .50cal is hard to beat because of the energy it retains. However, ballistically it is poor and far inferior to .30 caliber and 7mm chamberings. There is only one rifle round that was developed from the ground up specifically for military sniping, and that is the .338 Lapua. The finest example of a sniper rifle chambered in .338 Lapua is the DSR-1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Fox 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Oct. 04 2002,13:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The finest example of a sniper rifle chambered in .338 Lapua is the DSR-1.<span id='postcolor'> That is the mos beautiful sniper rifle I've ever seen............................ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceFire 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Wow. It's difficult to admit, but those Canadian snipers are damn good! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted October 5, 2002 I believe the Barret lite .50 (M82A1) has the longest range (max range: approx. 1500 meters). .50 has relative low muzzle velocity but due to the high mass it has unmatched stopping-power (factor) and it is among the sniper-rifles with the longest range. Sure, a .338 might travel longer but not with any accuracy beyond 1200 meters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major Fubar 0 Posted October 5, 2002 I'm with Shadow, from all I've heard the big fifties rule the extreme range sniping world... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cybrid 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IceFire Posted on Oct. 04 2002,20:38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow. Â It's difficult to admit, but those Canadian snipers are damn good! Â <span id='postcolor'> Thats because we all go varmint huntin' as kids with our .22's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceFire 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Damn, I wish I could go and do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cam0flage 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Finnish Defence Forces will receive new sniper rifles within a few years, they will use the new Sako TRG-42, which has a maximum range of 2200 meters. Check this link for some information and a picture: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn22-e.htm I've shot once with a Sako TRG-22 when I was in sniper training during my military service, it was pretty fantastic with 16x sight. After shooting with it, going back to my TAK-85 (another finnish sniper rifle) was like changing a Ferrari to Lada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted October 5, 2002 I think we need to define "longest range". If you want to see what bullet can the launched the farthest, then the .50 BMG would easily win over the .338 Lapua. However, if you want to hit a man-sized target past 300 meters, the .338 is a much better choice, because the .50 BMG is ballistically inferior to the .338 Lapua in terms of inherent accuracy as well as flatness of the trajectory. The .50 retains more energy because it has significantly more mass and a high ballistic coefficient, but it is less likely to hit a man-sized target at distances of 300 meters and beyond. That is why the M82A1 is used primarily as a anti-materiel weapon and not a anti-personel (sniper) weapon. The .338 Lapua was the first round developed from the outset for a military sniping application. It was designed by Lapua, a Finnish company, under contract for the U.S. Navy, with the intention of developing a highly-accurate long range bullet. It is effective out to about 1200 meters (depending on atmospheric conditions), after which it goes subsonic and looses a substantial amount of accuracy during the transsonic stage (like any other bullet). The fact that rifles chambered in .338 are also far lighter and compact than a .50 rifle is also of great importance for AP sniping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cam0flage @ Oct. 04 2002,11:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Finnish Defence Forces will receive new sniper rifles within a few years, they will use the new Sako TRG-42, which has a maximum range of 2200 meters. Check this link for some information and a picture: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn22-e.htm I've shot once with a Sako TRG-22 when I was in sniper training during my military service, it was pretty fantastic with 16x sight. After shooting with it, going back to my TAK-85 (another finnish sniper rifle) was like changing a Ferrari to Lada.<span id='postcolor'> I love snipers that look like this: Sooo damn sweeet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Oct. 05 2002,02:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe the Barret lite .50 (M82A1) has the longest range (max range: approx. 1500 meters). .50 has relative low muzzle velocity but due to the high mass it has unmatched stopping-power (factor) and it is among the sniper-rifles with the longest range. Sure, a .338 might travel longer but not with any accuracy beyond 1200 meters.<span id='postcolor'> And for about 6g's you can be a proud owner of a M8A2 Barret .50 though i guessing that they may have done some serrious down grading to make it legal for public ownership. By the way, i always here that a .22 bullet is very leathel cause if it should hit somebody in the chest that a .22 bullet can ricoche (spelling) off the ribs of its victom until it can find a soft spot to exit out of, is this true? i mean i wouldnt thing a bullet could even ricoche (spelling) off of bone, maybe just do it once right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Oct. 04 2002,12:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Oct. 05 2002,02:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe the Barret lite .50 (M82A1) has the longest range (max range: approx. 1500 meters). .50 has relative low muzzle velocity but due to the high mass it has unmatched stopping-power (factor) and it is among the sniper-rifles with the longest range. Sure, a .338 might travel longer but not with any accuracy beyond 1200 meters.<span id='postcolor'> And for about 6g's you can be a proud owner of a M8A2 Barret .50 though i guessing that they may have done some serrious down grading to make it legal for public ownership. By the way, i always here that a .22 bullet is very leathel cause if it should hit somebody in the chest that a .22 bullet can ricoche (spelling) off the ribs of its victom until it can find a soft spot to exit out of, is this true? i mean i wouldnt thing a bullet could even ricoche (spelling) off of bone, maybe just do it once right?<span id='postcolor'> Hmz, i'd think a bullet'd go throught the bones.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 05 2002,13:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Oct. 04 2002,12:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Oct. 05 2002,02:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe the Barret lite .50 (M82A1) has the longest range (max range: approx. 1500 meters). .50 has relative low muzzle velocity but due to the high mass it has unmatched stopping-power (factor) and it is among the sniper-rifles with the longest range. Sure, a .338 might travel longer but not with any accuracy beyond 1200 meters.<span id='postcolor'> And for about 6g's you can be a proud owner of a M8A2 Barret .50 though i guessing that they may have done some serrious down grading to make it legal for public ownership. By the way, i always here that a .22 bullet is very leathel cause if it should hit somebody in the chest that a .22 bullet can ricoche (spelling) off the ribs of its victom until it can find a soft spot to exit out of, is this true? i mean i wouldnt thing a bullet could even ricoche (spelling) off of bone, maybe just do it once right?<span id='postcolor'> Hmz, i'd think a bullet'd go throught the bones.... <span id='postcolor'> depends of which kind of bullet ...... a .22 would ricoche(dunno the english word) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Oct. 04 2002,14:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 05 2002,131)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Oct. 04 2002,12:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Oct. 05 2002,02:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe the Barret lite .50 (M82A1) has the longest range (max range: approx. 1500 meters). .50 has relative low muzzle velocity but due to the high mass it has unmatched stopping-power (factor) and it is among the sniper-rifles with the longest range. Sure, a .338 might travel longer but not with any accuracy beyond 1200 meters.<span id='postcolor'> And for about 6g's you can be a proud owner of a M8A2 Barret .50 though i guessing that they may have done some serrious down grading to make it legal for public ownership. By the way, i always here that a .22 bullet is very leathel cause if it should hit somebody in the chest that a .22 bullet can ricoche (spelling) off the ribs of its victom until it can find a soft spot to exit out of, is this true? i mean i wouldnt thing a bullet could even ricoche (spelling) off of bone, maybe just do it once right?<span id='postcolor'> Hmz, i'd think a bullet'd go throught the bones.... <span id='postcolor'> depends of which kind of bullet ...... a .22 would ricoche(dunno the english word)<span id='postcolor'> Really? What a crappy bullet that is!!! Come on, bones aren't that strong at all, especially ribs. Are bullets like that actually used by the army? ps: 1337 post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 05 2002,13:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really? Â What a crappy bullet that is!!! Come on, bones aren't that strong at all, especially ribs. Are bullets like that actually used by the army? ps: 1337 post <span id='postcolor'> it's not a "crappy" bullet , it's a bullet ment to kill birds ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted October 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Oct. 04 2002,14:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 05 2002,13:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really? Â What a crappy bullet that is!!! Come on, bones aren't that strong at all, especially ribs. Are bullets like that actually used by the army? ps: 1337 post <span id='postcolor'> it's not a "crappy" bullet , it's a bullet ment to kill birds ......<span id='postcolor'> Lol, that explains a lot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted October 5, 2002 A would assume a 7.62x51 would be the caliber of choice for pinpointing human-sized targets beyond 1000 meters or maybe a 30.06 or 3.08 but I'm not sure, sniper-rifles and normal rifles are not my thing. Pistols however are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
COW 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Iver and Jhonson M600LR .50bmg, and the Steyr 15.2mm IWS2000, A USMC sniper by the name of Carlos Hathcock holds the world record for the longest range confirmed kill. He took out an NVA solder with a .50 cal round from over 1500 meaters! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceFire 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Actually COW, I think his record was a kill from 2000 meters. And I beleive it was just beaten recently by a Canadian sniper in Afghanastan who got a kill at 2500 meters. I can't beleive it was a Canadian. Oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceFire 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Just look at the first page of this thread, I think the link is there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceFire 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Actually it was 2250 meters, I just checked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iNeo 0 Posted October 5, 2002 Actually it was 2,430 meters. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">U.S. bullets help Canadian snipers set world record Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres<span id='postcolor'> - http://www.thestar.com/NASApp....0060724 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
