The story

[zverushka 0]

Sorry, I was getting nationalistic and excited there.

I have no ill feelings towards poles, or any slavs, czechs included.

[Hostile 1]

I can only assume it's commerical based decision, after all imagine the uproar if it was the other way about!.

If we were to take this to the extreme: in the original campaign it should have been NATO and not soley the American's that played the part of the Western forces, but I suspect it wouldn't have sold as well in the US of A.

Still for a bit of therapy create three squads of unarmed resistance fighters and arm yourself with a Bizon!

[Stag 0]

Mass extermination of civilians? is that what comes later in Resistance?  Or is that exaggeration?

Katyn.

The people who did that were never brought to book, unlike the Nazis. Their regime existed until Gorbachev dissolved it.

Zverushka, The Commies INVADED Poland in 1939, taking land that they'd tried to take in 1922, and got beaten. My father was unable to go home beacuse of the "help" given to Poland by the Commies. Very likely if he'd tried, he would have been arrested and shot.

Western Europe all but collapsed while Stalin waited until he could start his own war, but Germany struck first. If Britain hadn't managed to make a stand, he would have watched it all collapse, and then went in to pick up the pieces.

The Nazis attacked first. you were fighting for your lives, not the people of Eastern Europe. The Final Insult was calling your gang of puppet governments "The Warsaw Pact."

Family history.

You checked Katyn yet?

Edited for giving credit to the wrong man.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Frankly, I dont give a flying fuck if a renegade faction of the Soviet Army is portrayed as evil in a COMPUTER GAME. After seeing all the demonization of my home country on this forum, I really have no sympathy for the Red Army, or the late Soviet Union. I have nothing against RUSSIANS, but the Soviet Union is fair game, as the only modern governments that have matched its body count are the Third Reich and the Peoples Republic of China. The USSR brutally put down the Czech people's bid for self determination, and I completely sympathise with BISs biased view of the USSR and its Red Army. So suck it up Russians, your country has fucked up in the past- deal with it.

[Taku 0]

BIS thank you for this game and great storyline(s), at least in 1985- and resistance-campaigns. Our people have always fought against the russians, and we will. I enjoy your campaigns very much, they RULE! (except the Red Hammer, which was nice but on the wrong side...)  

[zverushka 0]

Hostile- I wouldn't get any relief from that , I would get relief from massacreing some american soldiers.

I can actually sympathize quite a bit, with czechs and poles and belorussians and ukraineans. But Americans, eh.. I don't care.

I'll follow yer advice there hostile

I'll just ignore the other posters that just replied. I'll just proceed with massacreing some americans. (armed though, I don't want to feel like a nazi )

Hell, maybe I can be a resistance fighter and massacre some americans too

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

I dont care if I get to shoot Russians, Soviet, Yanks, Czech, Turks, Greeks, Ozzies, Martians or Klingons, as long as I get to shoot someone

[Aaron Kane 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hostile @ June 30 2002,00:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To be honest in a game representing human conflict someone somewhere is going to get ticked off.

I'm sorry to see the Russian's getting "it" in this instance, but the vast majority of level headed gamers realise that it's purely to create an A versus B conflict regardless of the nationality.

I'll lay ten to one odd's that the Germans get ticked off about "Medal of Honor", "Wolfenstein", and "Commandos 1 & 2".

The good thing about Flashpoint is the Editor were you can reverse the tables as much as you like.

I can say with hand on heart when I stop playing this game I have no ill feelings towards the Russian people and or their military. <span id='postcolor'>

Now common... in Wolfenstein, the Germans had HANS GROSS!!! The guy with huge chaingun arms!!!

And in RTCW, they had those awesome looking VENOM TROOPERS, or whatever, who are like the coolest looking characters I've seen in ANY FPS in my life!!!

Impeach Churchill!!!

[Aaron Kane 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S.F.F.R @ June 29 2002,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Fenna @ June 29 2002,16:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">because the russians *are* evil.<span id='postcolor'>

You all are IDIOTS, and nothing know about Russia.....<span id='postcolor'>

FAKE

[Hostile 1]

zverushka - Been there..... Done that....

Aaron Kane - You've got a point I want to be a Venom Trooper!

[Stag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (zverushka @ June 29 2002,04:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'll just ignore the other posters that just replied.<span id='postcolor'>

Just so you know why we're not truely greatful.

[zverushka 0]

call me stupid, by I don't get wat you are saying, wardog.

[Cyanide 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ June 29 2002,19:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont care if I get to shoot Russians, Soviet, Yanks, Czech, Turks, Greeks, Ozzies, Martians or Klingons, as long as I get to shoot someone <span id='postcolor'>

just put Brits on your list and I bet you'll think a bit different...

[zverushka 0]

I don't think I have ever said this, but what the hell:

PWNED!

Go ahead and sue me

[Cyanide 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes. Wonderfull Red Army.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh yes, the all-mighty/nice/perfect NATO forces!!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The very same who invaded Poland (USSR was loyal ally to Nazi Germany) and was kiling civilians in 1939<span id='postcolor'>

What on earth are you talking about??? Go read a history book!!! "USSR an ally to Nazis" - an insult to an entire nation!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The very same who invaded small, peacefull Finland killing everyone in sight. The very same who stopped in 1944 to let Germans "deal" with resistance forces in Warsaw and to let them level Warsaw to the ground. The very same who was stealing and raping on it's way. <span id='postcolor'>

And no US soldier placed his foot in 'Nam, Korea, African countries... And of course no-one suffered from their actions simply because they (the US army) all stayed home, didn't they?!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know that millions of USSR citizens (not only russians) died in II WW <span id='postcolor'>

good for you

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">(also from its fellow citizens hands - not only Germans are to blame).<span id='postcolor'>

eh?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know people from former USSR. Some are my friends.<span id='postcolor'>

I find it hard to believe, frankly.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But for me and for lot of peoples in my country (and lot of other countries) Red Army is synonime of evil. Jalta is synonime of evil. <span id='postcolor'>

Same can be said about NATO. What next???

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The sadness of history was that lot of peoples was saved from one evil (Nazi Germany) by other evil (Soviet Union). For us here II WW ended in 1989. Russia is now (more less) normal country. With normal peoples living there. But Soviet Union was great evil to all people.<span id='postcolor'>

Questionable at best.

I think it was far from perfect but for crying out loud!! I lived there! I know what it was like to live under that regime and you (yes, you!), you better stop mentioning your opinion because you just haven't gor a clue, have you!!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Resistance shows not Russia, it shows Soviet Union. In 1980's we feared that Red Army will invade. And we expected it to came here killing everything that moves, as it is in Resistance.<span id='postcolor'>

You're missing the bloody point, mate!This campaign is about a conflict that NEVER HAPPENED. Why invent a war that never occurred? Too few real things to choose from?

Moreover, if you think we never thought we would be attacked first, you are very much mistaken.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ask people from Budapest - they have stories to tell.<span id='postcolor'>

I can also tell a lot if you ask me.

Listen, many relatives of mine have died in WW2 and I am very angry about it. But do I go out and shoot every German I see on the streets?

Same here. Moreover, the modern generation of now-Russians have nothing to do with the invashion of Czechoslovakia back in '68. It might come as a bit of a surprise to you but none of us Russian guys here in this thread were sending troops to Prague, or operating tanks, or marching in the lines of advancing infantry. It's not our fault that this has happened. But our responsibility ends about there. Why do we have to tolerate someone slagging off at our country and making tons of money out of it? Tell me if you know the answer.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, that is how I see Red Army. I don't hate Russians, I hate USSR, I hate Red Army.<span id='postcolor'>

Ok hate whatever you want but it's the matter of the past, why do I (personally) have to be made feel guilty, especially a thing out of the past which I could not have possibly prevented (Cz '68)  or for something that has never happened in real life (OFP: Res)???

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Call me anything you want.<span id='postcolor'>

I'dd call you an immature fella who'll be more tolerant when he grows up a bit :)

[ralphwiggum 6]

well well well...i see that Russians are now feeling what Americans are feeling on this forum when anti-US rhetoric is present.

America is continuously criticized for its action from past and present, and for past incidents, why should current teenagers bear the burden? If Russians are free from ghosts of CCCR, then why is it that Us teens are not given same opportunity?

so when US is criticized, it's right, but when CCCR is misportarited, then it is a blasphemy...what a logic.

this is a game storyline....it's about RENEGADE soviet general and his early years. geesh. does US give a damn about how it's portraied in foreign films? no. but all mighty russians who are undoubtly superior in moral level can't stand it. boo hoo.

[Major Fubar 0]

Yes, I agree that it's only a game...but every little bit adds to stereotyping certain races and peoples as "evil" or the "bad guys".

I don't know about Resistance, but I thought the storyline of Red Hammer was very weak...even playing a Russian, you end up turning on the "evil Russians" yourself.

[zverushka 0]

Cyanide- Uspakoisya

Its a game, and your opinion won't change some biased czechs point of view. Unfortunately

Can't wai till retailiation comes out

[HK (HunterKiller) 0]

Didn't really want to get involved in this, but what the hell, if you guys are that sad to believe that people will suddenly feel hatred towards a country/nation because of a bloody game, you need to ALL get a life, My country SCOTLAND was trounced and battered into the ground by the English many years ago, they made a film about it BRAVEHEART (not much realism in that movie, but it's very loosely based), now do you think that because of that i hate all englishmen, if you do i laugh in your face, i'm in a Squad [DV] the majority of which are english so get a grip it's only a bloody game. I do not by any means mean to lighten any of the history that i have read here, but i repeat again it's only a game ffs.......

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CCCR<span id='postcolor'>

Don't you mean CCCP?

Agggghhh! Whining! It's just a game. Perhaps just that faction of invading Russians are malevolent? No need to hurl insults at Americans, we had no hand in developing the game. Besides you got your Red Hammer campaign. It's only fair that the Resistance gets one too. Geez, no sense of humor, maybe BIS hit to close to home?

[Aaron Kane 0]

Now its times like this when I would try to suggest that someone take the position of president, in this case that would be USSoldier11B. However, due to this threads nature, and seeing how having a citizen of the United States as president of the forums would most likely piss off the Russian community, I will not vote this time. Good day.

*YOU CANT SEE ME, BUT I'M ROLLING MY EYES!!!*

[Cyanide 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ June 29 2002,22:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

ho-ho-ho! an American at large! :))

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well well well...i see that Russians are now feeling what Americans are feeling on this forum when anti-US rhetoric is present. :p <span id='postcolor'>

well like recently we haven't been seen running around in full gear away from home?!.. :)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">so when US is criticized, it's right, but when CCCR is misportarited, then it is a blasphemy...what a logic.<span id='postcolor'>

1. if you haven't read the recent news, the USSR is no more...

2. Russia is kinda conteit within its borders and there is hardly any threat we pose to Western/Asian countries... (unlike some country neatly placed far enough from us) :)

3. compare USSR and NATO sending troops for a war abroad: in the USSR, there was no choice for the citizens but to follow the orders, no protests would stop the trucks and planes with recruits heading for the border :(

NATO countries - democratic if my information is up-to-date - are controlled by the majority. so (like it happened during the 'Nam campaign) protests can take place and these protests can make adifference. you know what i mean?

4. like I said, Russia is currently not involved in military action abroad (peacekeeping does not count - it mostly involves the police), unlike NATO. "hence the expression" - NATO can and should be criticized if it goes over the top with its activities abroad.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">America is continuously criticized for its action from past and present, and for past incidents, why should current teenagers bear the burden? If Russians are free from ghosts of CCCR, then why is it that Us teens are not given same opportunity?<span id='postcolor'>

i do not know how US teens are treated here.

your phrase about "Russians" being "free from ghosts of CCCR" does not carry too much sence. i wonder why we are hated so much throughout the former Warsaw pact countries then. even though as one guy here has put it "they do not have a grudge against the people but agaist the country" the hatred is directed at Russians. and this is sad because most Russians opposed the aggression our country has inflicted all around the worls although we could not express our protest openly.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this is a game storyline....it's about RENEGADE soviet general and his early years.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah! and like no-one back in Moscow had noticed he was up to something nasty :)))

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">does US give a damn about how it's portraied in foreign films? no. <span id='postcolor'>

well like it's because 90% of movies shown in most theatres are made in America, right?! so i suppose the US are kinda unlikely to kick their own ass on film and show this all over the globe, aren't they? :)))

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but all mighty russians who are undoubtly superior in moral level can't stand it. boo hoo.<span id='postcolor'>

ok mate. name - to make it easier i'll generously ask for little - 5 games AND movies (famous ones, of course) where the US are "da bad boyz"! good luck :)

on the other hand, i'm pretty sure anyone will be able to name at least a dozen movies with Russians bing the anti-heroes there...

[Cyanide 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (zverushka @ June 29 2002,22:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cyanide- Uspakoisya <span id='postcolor'>

I'm calm like a well-fed boa

[Cyanide 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Taku @ June 29 2002,19:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BIS thank you for this game and great storyline(s), at least in 1985- and resistance-campaigns. Our people have always fought against the russians, and we will. I enjoy your campaigns very much, they RULE! (except the Red Hammer, which was nice but on the wrong side...)  <span id='postcolor'>

i've always liked the bizarre Finnish sence of humour

[ralphwiggum 6]

geeze Cyanide,

calm down man! while you are arguing that Russian teens and ppl are not happy about association with past, why can't you use same reasoning to US teens and ppl?

and Russia certainly doesn't exert much force in world politics, but still can piss US off. remember when Russian troops entered Serbia b4 NATO did? and were they helping NATO? not really. they were calling US names and in other regional conflicts, they blasted at US for doing stuffs, and moving themselves to the point where it pisses US off. During Ppersian gulf war, Russia decided to go its own course, with no success.

and in Afghanistan, Russians were saying that US will meet same fate as russia. well boo hoo again.

and speaking of films, good point. I have no idea if i can at least name 1 movie that depicts US as bad guys. reason? as you pointed out, US has 99% of world movie market. but is that because US force feeds them? hell no. demand for US movies are strong. that's why.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> i wonder why we are hated so much throughout the former Warsaw pact countries then<span id='postcolor'>

change Warsaw pact to allies and think of yourself as an American. that pretty much sums up how and average american unaware of world interest feel about too.