Yay we'll build a new aircraft carrier

[ran 0]

the new french defence budget will be voted really soon and and the production of a new aircraft carrier has just been decided , it will be the sister ship of the De Gaulles

[ralphwiggum 6]

congrats to our dear friends who also brought us the tasty french fries

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 06 2002,20:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">congrats to our dear friends who also brought us the tasty french fries <span id='postcolor'>

lol

i simply hope this one won't be like the CDC .....

the bridge to short for the hawkeyes , broken propulsors , problems with floating ..... hopefully everything has been rectified

[Mister Frag 0]

Problems with floating are always bad for surface ships.

[ran 0]

true ... true ... but it's fixed now , you know , you can do miracles with some bits of shaterton

[Tovarish 0]

Cool! The Canadian government just approved funding for a battleship!

[Die Alive 0]

You know, by shooting that gun, you'd probably go backwards faster than you'd go forward with that little outboard.

-=Die Alive=-

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Sep. 06 2002,21:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cool! The Canadian government just approved funding for a battleship!<span id='postcolor'>

LOL!

yeah Die alive's point is correct. anyone ever tried to cross the river in Nogova, next to bridge by shooting sabots backwards?

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 06 2002,15:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Sep. 06 2002,21:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cool! The Canadian government just approved funding for a battleship!<span id='postcolor'>

LOL!

yeah Die alive's point is correct. anyone ever tried to cross the river in Nogova, next to bridge by shooting sabots backwards? <span id='postcolor'>

No, but I did try to fly across the river by getting shot with a sabot from a T-80. I just couldn't get make it, kept flying in the wrong direction. I once flew over 180m by getting hit from a shilka, and i checked my before and after positions on the map, it was over a grid square away.

-=Die Alive=-

[Maraudeur 0]

Well, I am in a great doubt about cleverness of this decision.

The fact is that the actual French navy do not have enough modern ships to make a taskforce for the first CV. Maybe one of the reasons why the second won't be a nuclear one.

We do not have enough money to give the Charles de Gaulle  an airgroup in reasonnable time, and we are speaking of a second CV ? Oh no, it's too dramatic too be funny.

So making a second CV.... and what for ? Are our strategics needs for exporting air force far away ? French, European politics and strategy is not the one of the United States...Do we need that CV ? alone in the see without any modern surface vesssel ? And planes ?

Or Is it a deal with rest of europe ? => we do a second CV, the british do the same, and for the rest, like army and air force, we'll count on Germans, Italians and others ?? ( by the way...the Italian navy is made of brands new ships, and of excellent feature, but not able to make a task force for long time missions ). Errr..... the european common defense is for politices and technical reasons a dream, and for many years it will still be.

Army, tanks and many others weapons needs money, it's urgent...and we'll spend so much for a unusefull CV ??

It is surely not a very fine idea, I believe the government cracked under some lobbys pressure..., their dreams are too big and on the wrong way for the French strategic's place, and finally politics peoples are not professionnals for many subjects, they are just politics. And men would should enlight them...they think about their personnal carreers, not about pertinents right things for the nation.

[ralphwiggum 6]

i just got back from trying to cross the bridge side....used BMP and 15 sabots...i started from west side of the bridge and shot my way to east. i was only 2 columns away from eastern bank.

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

I didnt think french fries were really a french inovation?

[Paratrooper 0]

I want the British Super Carriers! When oh when will we have them!? Grrrr...

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 06 2002,23:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want the British Super Carriers! When oh when will we have them!? Grrrr...<span id='postcolor'>

no , we need YOUR surface ships for OUR AC taskforces

that's europe friend

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Sep. 06 2002,23:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I didnt think french fries were really a french inovation?<span id='postcolor'>

neither did i

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 06 2002,23:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no , we need YOUR surface ships for OUR AC taskforces

that's europe friend  <span id='postcolor'>

We have our own Navy thank you.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 06 2002,23:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 06 2002,23:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no , we need YOUR surface ships for OUR AC taskforces

that's europe friend  <span id='postcolor'>

We have our own Navy thank you.  <span id='postcolor'>

Ah..yet again the specter of arrogant nationalism comes in the way of efficient use of resources.

As galling as it might be, Paratrooper, it would make far more sense for France and the UK to work together building a practical CV task force than it would be for the UK to start building carriers.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Sep. 07 2002,00:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 06 2002,23:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 06 2002,23:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no , we need YOUR surface ships for OUR AC taskforces

that's europe friend  <span id='postcolor'>

We have our own Navy thank you.  <span id='postcolor'>

Ah..yet again the specter of arrogant nationalism comes in the way of efficient use of resources.

As galling as it might be, Paratrooper, it would make far more sense for France and the UK to work together building a practical CV task force than it would be for the UK to start building carriers.<span id='postcolor'>

We have already started. I don't think having the means to defend ourselves is arrogant nationalism, lets face it France hardly ever embarks on missions with Britain.

[ralphwiggum 6]

aircraft carrier(AC) pretty much enables a country to move it's airpower from one point to another. if it weren't for ACs US's operation in Afghanistan could be more tedious.

so if france has 2, that would work too..however, i'd like to see more of France's proactive involvement now that they get one more.

maybe Germans will stop thinking about invading France again

and yes, French Fries are NOT from france. I was just actting stupid.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 07 2002,00:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have already started. I don't think having the means to defend ourselves is arrogant nationalism, lets face it France hardly ever embarks on missions with Britain.<span id='postcolor'>

Isnt the whole point of the EU to enhance economic and national security amongst the European nations? Having a joint naval force would likely be of benefit to the whole of Europe while not costing each nation an arm and a leg developing the same weapon systems.

And ignoring that possibility IS overwhelmingly prideful.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 06 2002,15:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">maybe Germans will stop thinking about invading France again <span id='postcolor'>

Until they build their own aircraft carriers!

By the way, how many peope here know that landlocked Austria once had Europe's largest navy?

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Sep. 07 2002,00:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 07 2002,008)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have already started. I don't think having the means to defend ourselves is arrogant nationalism, lets face it France hardly ever embarks on missions with Britain.<span id='postcolor'>

Isnt the whole point of the EU to enhance economic and national security amongst the European nations?  Having a joint naval force would likely be of benefit to the whole of Europe while not costing each nation an arm and a leg developing the same weapon systems.

And ignoring that possibility IS overwhelmingly prideful.<span id='postcolor'>

The EU isn't a nation, Britain and France have very different military needs. Who would control this "EU Fleet"? What if Britain wanted to do something that France/rest of the EU didn't want to with the EU force? I don't want a share in an armed force we can't control, what use would it be?

[Guest]

8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 07 2002,008)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have already started. I don't think having the means to defend ourselves is arrogant nationalism, lets face it France hardly ever embarks on missions with Britain.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, listening to you it sounds like arrogant nationalism is the only way you have to defend yourself. UK and France always embark on mission together. Have you heard of that little thing called NATO?

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 07 2002,01:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 07 2002,008)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have already started. I don't think having the means to defend ourselves is arrogant nationalism, lets face it France hardly ever embarks on missions with Britain.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, listening to you it sounds like arrogant nationalism is the only way you have to defend yourself.<span id='postcolor'>

I have just explained my reasoning. You may not live in a country which inspires patriotism but I do.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 07 2002,01:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 07 2002,00<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have already started. I don't think having the means to defend ourselves is arrogant nationalism, lets face it France hardly ever embarks on missions with Britain.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, listening to you it sounds like arrogant nationalism is the only way you have to defend yourself. UK and France always embark on mission together. Have you heard of that little thing called NATO?<span id='postcolor'>

Fawklands, Sierra Leone, Afgainstan, etc. Why should Britain be compromised for the sake of union with Europe? Why should Britain lose control of it's armed forces?