Another royal glock-up

[Mister Frag 0]

From http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news....d=full&

ANOTHER ROYAL GLOCK-UP

Protection squad lose key to their guns case

Norman Silvester Exclusive

ELITE police guarding Prince Charles arrived in Scotland without the key to their gun box.

The six-strong Royal Protection Unit left the keys on a desk in their London base before setting out for Holyrood Palace, Edinburgh, where the prince was staying with Camilla Parker Bowles during a week-long visit to Scotland.

The blunder was discovered when officers went to open the box - containing Glock 9mm automatics, handguns, and rifles - in Holyrood.

The officers from the Metropolitan Police had to borrow bolt-cutters from local cops to open the box - dubbed No. 1 case - before starting duty.

A security expert said: "There were red faces all round when they realised what had happened.

"They had to phone London and a desk sergeant told them the keys were still lying on the table."

A spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police yesterday said they did not comment on security matters.

The incident is the fourth firearms blunder involving police guarding the Royals in just two years.

A policeman guarding the Queen accidentally fired his gun inside Buckingham Palace last year.

PC Michael Aldridge was checking his Glock pistol in the palace's police room at the end of his shift when it went off. Police and palace aides rushed to the room to discover no one had been injured.

The Queen had left the palace shortly before the incident.

She had been there all morning, but had just left for Windsor to prepare for the state visit of President Thabo Mbeki of South Africa.

PC Aldridge, who is in his early 30s, was removed from firearms duties and his firearms certificate suspended.

In another incident, PC Philip Colvill, part of the team protecting Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice, shot a fellow officer in the arm during a training exercise.

Six officers and four instructors were practising how to deal with an attack on the royal family, when the shooting occurred.

The victim was taken to hospital, where the bullet was removed.

Two years ago, royal guard PC Michael Slade fired two bullets on the Royal Train, next to the compartment where the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were sleeping.

One bullet hit a coffee table as the officer took off his holster.

The other went through the floor of the train as he tried to make the weapon safe.

The train was stationary at the time in the Welsh countryside.

[ralphwiggum 6]

ouch.......that reminds me of the time when i almost lost my wallet...it was at home

but can't believe that someone had accidental discharge after first one...

[Mister Frag 0]

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge, they are all negligent discharges -- guns don't go off by themselves.

[bn880 5]

This is only a human mistake, but they should create a set of checklists for different events. Checklists MUST be followed if you want to avoid screwups like that.

EDIT: I think this belongs in news discussion....

EDIT2: Ahh, maybe not.

[USMC Sniper 0]

Yeah, a gun cant go off if u dont pull the trigger. Once, a policeman visited our school and he talked about guns, violence, etc. When he asked who could "disengage" (who says that?) a gun, i said i could. when i was about to do that, he said i could have been dead by now because the gun might have fired. I thought, WTF is he talking about? The gun was pointing towards a wall, and i kept my finger out side the trigger guard, and pt the gun on safety.

[ran 0]

hehehehehehe

edit : a gun can go off under certain conditions , the trigger is one thing , but there are many posible ways to fire a gun accidentaly without touching the trigger

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Sep. 03 2002,15:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, a gun cant go off if u dont pull the trigger.<span id='postcolor'>

Unless you drop it when it's loaded.

[Mister Frag 0]

Just because someone doesn't intend to discharge a firearm doesn't mean that they aren't responsible for it.

To call it an accident is an attempt to absolve oneself of responsibility for the consequences. If the gun fires when it isn't supposed to, it is through negligence of the person handling the firearm.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Sep. 03 2002,21:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">when i was about to do that, he said i could have been dead by now because the gun might have fired. I thought, WTF is he talking about? The gun was pointing towards a wall, and i kept my finger out side the trigger guard, and pt the gun on safety.  <span id='postcolor'>

that's how someone on this forum almost got his kneecap blown off. make sure there are no ammos left in chamber.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 03 2002,21:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Sep. 03 2002,15:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, a gun cant go off if u dont pull the trigger.<span id='postcolor'>

Unless you drop it when it's loaded.  <span id='postcolor'>

you drop it , you shock it in your hands , the inside mechanism can unintentionnaly be triggered because of some failure , product problems , failing trigger

all that when it's loaded tho ......

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 03 2002,12:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USMC Sniper @ Sep. 03 2002,15:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, a gun cant go off if u dont pull the trigger.<span id='postcolor'>

Unless you drop it when it's loaded.  <span id='postcolor'>

That is why properly designed firearms have firing pin blocks.

The State of California, for example, requires all firearms that are to be imported into the state or sold as new to pass a rigorous set of safety tests, which includes dropping the gun onto the hammer on a concrete floor. The California Department of Justice maintains a list of firearms that have passed these tests and are legal for sale.

[Guest]

Heat in combination with mechanical abuse can make any weapon missfire. Weapons all have environmental limits under which they operate.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 03 2002,21:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heat in combination with mechanical abuse can make any weapon missfire. Weapons all have environmental limits under which they operate.<span id='postcolor'>

forgot that too

[bn880 5]

Hehhe, the gun experts...

Basically we agree that you have to be veeewy veeewy carwefull when a round is in the chamber.

[Mister Frag 0]

Denoir, are you referring to cook-offs? I've never heard of a documented instance of it happening with handguns.

I doubt anyone would be able to hold on to a handgun long enough to reach the temperatures necessary for a cookoff.

[ralphwiggum 6]

And please, always keep your gun in high hygene

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 03 2002,21:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir, are you referring to cook-offs? I've never heard of a documented instance of it happening with handguns.

I doubt anyone would be able to hold on to a handgun long enough to reach the temperatures necessary for a cookoff.<span id='postcolor'>

who told you about a hand ? the the back compartiment of a car under the sun for exemple

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 03 2002,12:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hehhe, the gun experts...  

Basically we agree that you have to be veeewy veeewy carwefull when a round is in the chamber.  <span id='postcolor'>

All guns are always loaded.

If you treat 'em that way, you will never unintentionally hurt anyone or destroy property.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 03 2002,21:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All guns are always loaded.

If you treat 'em that way, you will never unintentionally hurt anyone or destroy property.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah , a gun is always considered as loaded

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 03 2002,12:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 03 2002,21:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir, are you referring to cook-offs? I've never heard of a documented instance of it happening with handguns.

I doubt anyone would be able to hold on to a handgun long enough to reach the temperatures necessary for a cookoff.<span id='postcolor'>

who told you about a hand ? the the back compartiment of a car under the sun for exemple<span id='postcolor'>

You cannot set off smokeless powder (gun powder) that way. You can put some on a spoon and hold it to an open flame, and it will fizzle, and not combust. You need the very high temperatures generated by a primer to combust smokeless powder.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 03 2002,21:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 03 2002,21:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All guns are always loaded.

If you treat 'em that way, you will never unintentionally hurt anyone or destroy property.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah , a gun is always considered as loaded<span id='postcolor'>

and make sure you point them down the range or safest place possible.

and don't load them until you have to. in firing range, do not insert magazine until you are ready to fire.

[ran 0]

i'm not talking about the ammo setting off itself , but about the gun itself , "very" high temperatures can have a really bad effect on small components wich are part of the firing mechanism

[ralphwiggum 6]

and forget everything you 'learned' about guns from tv shows and movies. get lectures from a certified instructor. and remember and apply it.

otherwise you'll feel exactly how other shooters feel when I am on the range.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 03 2002,21:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir, are you referring to cook-offs? I've never heard of a documented instance of it happening with handguns.

I doubt anyone would be able to hold on to a handgun long enough to reach the temperatures necessary for a cookoff.<span id='postcolor'>

Throw it into your grill

Actually I read a news article the other day about a woman getting killed by making a barbecue on top of a box loaded with ammo.

Edit: And ran is right. A firearm exposed to temperatures above the operational limit can be damaged permanently and for instance fire when dropped.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 03 2002,21:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually I read a news article the other day about a woman getting killed by making a barbecue on top of a box loaded with ammo.<span id='postcolor'>

let me guess....in US.