Demagor 0 Posted August 28, 2002 This a short article, as quoted from Jane's Defense News: "As the SA-80's woes continue, it looks like time to start again By Terry J Gander, Editor of Jane's Infantry Weapons The British Army's SA-80 Individual Weapon (IW) and Light Support Weapon (LSW) are back in the news for the wrong reasons. Despite extensive modifications it seems that they continue to jam. At present the two types are destined to remain in service until at least 2015. That may not now happen. It would appear that the only certain way to rectify the IW/LSW unreliability situation is to start again. Both weapons have now gained such a reputation for unreliability that even the slightest shortcoming will result in calls for replacement, the most likely candidate being the H&K G36." ... any thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted August 28, 2002 It's OK. I'm not bitter. Oh............................................ ................................the other queen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 1. I put this up ages ago. 2.The Queen has no need to be bitter as H&K is British owned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,16:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2.The Queen has no need to be bitter as H&K is British owned.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, H&K is a part of British Aerospace. The guns are however manufactured in Oberndorf, Germany and the designers are German. Rolls Royce is owned by BMW, right? There are very few pure national corporations left today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 28 2002,16:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,16:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2.The Queen has no need to be bitter as H&K is British owned.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, H&K is a part of British Aerospace. The guns are however manufactured in Oberndorf, Germany and the designers are German. Rolls Royce is owned by BMW, right? There are very few pure national corporations left today.<span id='postcolor'> Indeed business has no borders. Can we use the old topic if this is going to be discussed as there were some good contributions to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted August 28, 2002 No, it's time for new posts! A new world, a new start! .............. Oh boy i'm freaking out again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted August 28, 2002 why buying a g36 when you can have a FAMAS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,16:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Can we use the old topic if this is going to be discussed as there were some good contributions to it.<span id='postcolor'> No. Those are pretty old topics - over a month. We can stick to this one. What I meant actually to say in my first post was: Why would the Queen be pissed? H&K is partially German and the Queen is also partially German Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,16:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Can we use the old topic if this is going to be discussed as there were some good contributions to it.<span id='postcolor'> No. Those are pretty old topics - over a month. We can stick to this one. What I meant actually to say in my first post was: Why would the Queen be pissed? H&K is partially German and the Queen is also partially German <span id='postcolor'> I still don't understand why she is 'partially German'.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Aug. 28 2002,17:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,16:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Can we use the old topic if this is going to be discussed as there were some good contributions to it.<span id='postcolor'> No. Those are pretty old topics - over a month. We can stick to this one. What I meant actually to say in my first post was: Why would the Queen be pissed? H&K is partially German and the Queen is also partially German <span id='postcolor'> I still don't understand why she is 'partially German'.... <span id='postcolor'> Before they changed it to Windsor the Royal Family's name was Saxe-Coburg Gotha. As for replacing the SA80 I think that the SIG 550 is a good contender, built under licence of course. Or a totally new design taking into account our requirements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted August 28, 2002 as long as a country can supply its soldiers with reasonable weapon, soldiers will be happy. and that also includeds ability to supply them at moment's notice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloney 0 Posted August 28, 2002 See, you guys knew the guns sucked but you still kept using it... *sigh* Now the Brits are gonna have to pay because the idiotic Generals could'nt admit they were wrong. I feel bad for you guys. Its almost like our M-16 except we fixed ours after 17 years in Service. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted August 28, 2002 lol , famas all the way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Aug. 28 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">See, you guys knew the guns sucked but you still kept using it... *sigh* Now the Brits are gonna have to pay because the idiotic Generals could'nt admit they were wrong. I feel bad for you guys. Its almost like our M-16 except we fixed ours after 17 years in Service.<span id='postcolor'> Generals? Do you think the world's finest military minds know less about guns than school boys?! The problem came directly from Whitehall. Politics as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,17:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the world's finest military minds<span id='postcolor'> Now that is what I call an oxymoron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 28 2002,17:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,17:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the world's finest military minds<span id='postcolor'> Now that is what I call an oxymoron <span id='postcolor'> Lol, finest twitching trigger fingers then! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
habdoel 0 Posted August 28, 2002 Before they changed it to Windsor the Royal Family's name was Saxe-Coburg Gotha omg.. our king has the same name Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (habdoel @ Aug. 28 2002,18:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Before they changed it to Windsor the Royal Family's name was Saxe-Coburg Gotha omg.. our king has the same name<span id='postcolor'> Most of the European Monarchs are related. For example when the Queen was last in Spain people were shocked when the King kissed the Queen, but they are cousins in some fashion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,18:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (habdoel @ Aug. 28 2002,188)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Before they changed it to Windsor the Royal Family's name was Saxe-Coburg Gotha omg.. our king has the same name<span id='postcolor'> Most of the European Monarchs are related. For example when the Queen was last in Spain people were shocked when the King kissed the Queen, but they are cousins in some fashion.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, why do you think that prince Charles looks the way he does? - Centuries of inbreeding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 28 2002,18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 28 2002,18:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (habdoel @ Aug. 28 2002,18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Before they changed it to Windsor the Royal Family's name was Saxe-Coburg Gotha omg.. our king has the same name<span id='postcolor'> Most of the European Monarchs are related. For example when the Queen was last in Spain people were shocked when the King kissed the Queen, but they are cousins in some fashion.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, why do you think that prince Charles looks the way he does? - Centuries of inbreeding <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'> Hm, yes. Look at this fine specimin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 28 2002,17:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lol , famas all the way<span id='postcolor'> Dont the legion use the famas? Anyone care to explain if its a good or bad rifle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted August 28, 2002 the entire french army and security forces use it from the experience i got with this rifle , it's pretty good , its 1100rpm is really mad the only main problems with it : short magazine , even if it's not really the mag capacity that disturb me , it's simply the fact that the early famas version (F1) only accepts the 25rounds one , and can't use the 5.56 stanag , but this problem is solved since the arrival of the G2 in service the plastic looking doesn't make justice to this gun it has most of the problems the bullpup design introduce but it has a lot of strong poinbt wich make of it a good weapon in my eyes , like the ability to use a powerfull rifle grenade , the latest version can be mounted with an m203 launcher and a great variety of scopes can be mounted of the famas , my service rifle never jammed while in my hands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted August 28, 2002 It will be an odd day when the British Army use a French rifle. Now a Belgian one is another matter... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted August 28, 2002 lol , a "pomme de terres frites" launcher , not to forget the additional underbarrelled mussel launcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Aug. 28 2002,19:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 28 2002,17:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lol , famas all the way<span id='postcolor'> Dont the legion use the famas? Anyone care to explain if its a good or bad rifle?<span id='postcolor'> I have only tried the FAMAS once and it was at a shooting range. I didn't like two things about it: 1) Very plastic cheep feeling. Didn't feel like a real rifle, but more like a toy. 2) I don't think 5,56 calibre rifles are good for the infantry. With 7,62 you can be sure that the bullet won't deflect if fired through vegetation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
