Why can't people in sim's swim?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Aug. 27 2002,21:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">4--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,124)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Aug. 27 2002,21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,11:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It uses underwater jets and can without any problem reach velocities > 80 knots. You can also run over small islands with it.<span id='postcolor'>

80 knots???  <!--emo&  Are you sure you didn't mean 80 kilometers per hour? 80 knots is 148 kilometers per hour, or 92 miles per hour...<span id='postcolor'>

Oh, yes. As I said: water jet engine.

You can read about an incident here in the military stupidity thread.<span id='postcolor'>

I did a search using Google, and the sites I've found talk about a speed of 30 to just over 40 knots, depending on the model:

  http://www.mil.se/marinen/10/15/15b1_se.html

  http://www.soldf.com/strb90e.html

  http://www.djurgardsvarvet.a.se/mili/battleboat/battleboat90.htm

  http://www.navsim.org/navsim/vapengrener.htm

40 knots would be just under 80 kilometers per hour, which would make a lot more sense to me. The last link has a four-picture sequence of an emergency stop from 42 knots in a length of 25 meters.

I don't want to argue about the top speed with you, but all indications are that you are mistaken about it.<span id='postcolor'>

30-40 knots are the values that the military gives out. It is common knowledge that they do over 80 knots. The real speed is classified.

Emergency stop is not the same thing as crash stop. Emergency stop means that a steel (or titainum, I don't know) plate is set down at 45 degrees in front of the engine.

A crash stop means that the plate is at 90 degrees angle. From top speed you can make a crash stop on a distance between one half and one boat lenght. Not that it is very healthy for the ones on the boat (hence the name - crash stop).

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,22:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As I said:

This is the primary boat that the Seals use.<span id='postcolor'>

Primary patrol boat.

The RHIBs are the primary insertion and extraction craft. RHIBs are C130 transportable, which I'm sure is a strong local consideration.

Regarding Israel's high speed patrol craft, look here.

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I should also add that there is a difference between models. There are currently SB 90E, SB90H and SB90T. The SB90E is the oldest and slowest one. The SB90H is the largest one (22 men) and the SB90T is the fastest special-ops version with room for only 16 men.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Aug. 27 2002,21:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Primary patrol boat.<span id='postcolor'>

No that is not true. If you don't believe me, this is from FAS.org:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Mark V is used to carry Special Operations Forces (SOF), primarily SEAL combat swimmers, into and out of operations where the threat to these forces is considered to be low to medium<span id='postcolor'>

Attack boat is not the same thing as patrol boat. Please, you have to trust me on this one, I know what I am talking about.

Small boats like the RIB is used for very short ranges and for land insertion of small number of troops. You cannot attack anything with them. They are an alternative when a submarine insertion is impossible.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,22:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please, you have to trust me on this one, I know what I am talking about.<span id='postcolor'>

Trust a moderator?!

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Aug. 27 2002,21:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,22:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please, you have to trust me on this one, I know what I am talking about.<span id='postcolor'>

Trust a moderator?!

Bah, I give up. Soon Avon will claim that Israel has the best winter forces in the world and she will find a link to prove it. http://www.flashpoint1985.com/ikonboard301/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif' alt='wink.gif'>

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,22:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bah, I give up. Soon Avon will claim that Israel has the best winter forces in the world and she will find a link to prove it. <span id='postcolor'>

Viola!

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,12:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I should also add that there is a difference between models. There are currently SB 90E, SB90H and SB90T. The SB90E is the oldest and slowest one. The SB90H is the largest one (22 men) and the SB90T is the fastest special-ops version with room for only 16 men.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, the page for the Stridsbĺt 90H still talks about a maximum speed of about 40 knots or 80KM/H, and not 80 knots, but whatever...

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Aug. 27 2002,21:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 27 2002,12:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I should also add that there is a difference between models. There are currently SB 90E, SB90H and SB90T. The SB90E is the oldest and slowest one. The SB90H is the largest one (22 men) and the SB90T is the fastest special-ops version with room for only 16 men.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, the page for the Stridsbĺt 90H still talks about a maximum speed of about 40 knots or 80KM/H, and not 80 knots, but whatever...<span id='postcolor'>

As I said, official numbers and real numbers are not the same. The actual speed is well over 80 knots, but the real value is classified so I can't tell you. I can tell you however that I have made numerous dives and trained beach assaults from Stridsbĺt 90 so my 80 knots (not km/h) value is not an error.

[DarkLight 0]

I'd never believe a moderator that deletes my sailing pics

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

But one problem is there with Israeli girls. If you are german and you meet them in a pub they constantly feel like they have to keep that german boy on the ground. But hey what do I go out for then. They got serious relaxation problems! (no, no generalisation at all Albert, they are all the same you know). And then I feel like my mom is watching me while I get drunk and then the athmosphere is ruined! Why do they do that!

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 27 2002,22:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But one problem is there with Israeli girls. If you are german and you meet them in a pub they constantly feel like they have to keep that german boy on the ground. But hey what do I go out for then. They got serious relaxation problems! (no, no generalisation at all Albert, they are all the same you know). And then I feel like my mom is watching me while I get drunk and then the athmosphere is ruined! Why do they do that!  <span id='postcolor'>

maybe they are dominatrix(sp?)?

/runs away after looking around the corner to see if avon is send her agent again.

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">/runs away after looking around the corner to see if avon is send her agent again.<span id='postcolor'>

Do not worry, he'll attack you when you don't think he's around.  My guess is you'll die in one, perhaps 2, days...

' Course you don't believe me, but that's exactly why he'll get you so fast... You do not think he'll ever be close to you because you think i'm just posting for fun... This is a warning young man... :evilgrin:

he = the weird man that kills for a sandwich when Avon asks him to

[Denwad 0]

Real vs Advertised is always different!

The M1A2 without governor can reach 90 miles per hour+, but the tracks like to fall off....

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

This is a sad evening for the OFP-forum. Noone is posting! Are you all in cinema? (I watched "about a boy" a few hours ago, great film)

[Mister Frag 0]

Hey, some of us are supposed to be doing work -- I keep sneaking a peek at the forums at the office. I really shouldn't be doing that.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I guess you are right! But believe me it is not the best feeling I got right now. Perfect education. perfect internships and still noone wants me. You should be glad you got a good job and I am the looser who only has the OFP-forum

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Aug. 28 2002,02:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess you are right! But believe me it is not the best feeling I got right now. Perfect education. perfect internships and still noone wants me. You should be glad you got a good job and I am the looser who only has the OFP-forum  <span id='postcolor'>

Why don't you buy yourself a wife

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Cause I dont need a wife I need a job. i am good with girls and have no problem to change them like socks but a job would be nice now.

Damn I spend over 70'000 US$ for my education and have good grades and perfect internship certificates why dont hotel companies want me?

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Oh right, I misunderstood "no one wants me" then. Sorry

Have you tried the Hilton in Ettlingen?

Nice hotel, nice city

Try Hilton or Holiday Inn in Athens

Walldorf Astoria in New York

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Dont get me wrong, I still got opportunities. Raffles/Singapore wants me. But the thing is that I dont really want to work in the operational field. I am sophisticated enough to work in other areas. I have to start at the bottom, I know that. But I want to work in a resort and there (due to 9/11) they have serious problems. Realy ugly story, and I dont want to bother you with it, but it is kind of tough for me!

[skullfkr 0]

Well, the animations aren't the hard part, its down to boyancy, like the BMP landing on a beach, its a tank that can drive both on land and water for crying out loud, the game can obviously handle it.

All we need is code that checks how much gear the soldier is carying, if he only has a few nades and a handgun, he wont sink, but if he has more than that the usual drowning will occur.

I mean, navy seals swim miles and miles with all their gear in a waterproof sack. I would just like to be able to do water insertions, ala Metal Gear Solid and the like. A (silenced)handgun or knife would be all you'd need to procure another weapon on site

[skullfkr 0]

sorry about the delay in posting again (the topic did go off on a tangent, didn't it..).

Considering that this game takes place on islands it would be appropriate that there would be some sort of ability to swim for at least a select few troops, special units for each class (civilian, resistance, west, east). Every navy has had a form of frogmen since before ww1, and many other branches of special forces have training for water insertions even if they dont do them often.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 28 2002,00:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">maybe they are dominatrix(sp?)?

/runs away after looking around the corner to see if avon is send her agent again.<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe you're asphyxiatrix(sp?)?

[HellToupee 0]

well the resistance guys can float cause they got bags, if your've ever been tramping with a big bag u will know they float, guns and greandes don weigh much 1-2kgs, and the current sinking thing is really crap its just like walking on land u dont even slow down under water untill your legs r dammaged, and your guy cant hold his breath more than 10secs better swimming no mater what gear they got than that.