Protecting american boarders

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I believe that America should use its military to patrol the coast and BORDERS with Mexico and Canada, this would help stop alot of illegal aliens from coming ino the country and who knows may even prevent a terriost. What are yalls thoughts.

[Guest]

I think America should instead invest the money in education so it's citizens learn how to spell "borders".

[ralphwiggum 6]

not a good idea...one thing police agencies are worried about recruiting military expereinced ppl is that they are trained to shoot and kill, not to apprehend suspects.

if troops can be taught not to engage excessively, then no prob.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Would you trhow me off that bridge now? Ok they can do that education thing later, but what abot the BORDERS?

[ran 0]

protecting the united states soil from the evil mexican illegal workers and from the mad canadian terrorists ?

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Yep.  Keeping people who do not have the right to come here out.

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 03 2002,18:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not a good idea...one thing police agencies are worried about recruiting military expereinced ppl is that they are trained to shoot and kill, not to apprehend suspects.

if troops can be taught not to engage excessively, then no prob.<span id='postcolor'>

shouldn`t that be the othher way around,ive seen my fair share of excessive firearms use by cops

[Renagade 0]

I agree on stricter controls on immigration anddaliens as u call them.

Stricter not stupider as one women from here found out having get sent back for something trivial after arriving at a US airport.

[Frisbee 0]

Investing in some education and health care would be far better.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Aug. 03 2002,192)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Investing in some education and health care would be far better.<span id='postcolor'>

Sounds good to me, but I think it is not feasable. I propose two actions: N°1 react more agressively against people being illegaly employed (mexicans) e.g. in Texas. and N°2 sponsor campaigns in Mexico to increase awareness about how tough life can be for Mexicans emigrating to the US.

(I have to admit I have serious problems to work with South-americans. I dont really get along with them )

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Police should be able to do more, i.e. not get in trouble whne they hit soembody. Like out in CA when those illegal aliens where running, there was nothing wrong with hiting them, but soem group of bigger morons than myself had to say something. So the Army should be able to use any force nessacry to stop illegal aliens from entering the country.

[ralphwiggum 6]

are you nuts? as long as they don't pose harm to officers, you don't beat them, regarless of their status.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the Army should be able to use any force nessacry to stop illegal aliens from entering the country.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, any force necessary, that sounds like a good idea. My suggestion would be exploding low yield tactical nuclear devices in Tijuana, Juarez, and Chihuahua. That oughta solve the problem quite nicely.

Naturally Im being sarcastic, but the same thing applies when you say that the Army should be allowed to shoot people who are trying to enter the country illegally. Last time I checked, wanting a better life (or wanting to freeload off the richest country in the world, if you take the conservative viewpoint) is not a crime warranting capital punishment. What we SHOULD do is split INS up, cut out all the beauraucratic bullshit, and have completely independent departments overseeing each border. They would of course have a supervising agency, but they would have the authority to work completely independently of any supervising agency.

Ive talked to Border Patrol agents, and theyre real professionals- but they are hopelessly underfunded, undermanned, and hamstrung by a monolithic beauracracy.

So Ray, I think you need to be careful before one of your generalisations sneaks up and bites you in the ass

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Of they will not stop when told, and there is no other mean to stop the, then yes deadly force can be used. America is olready over populated by people who are not citizens. If a cop feels threatend at all, then he should be able to do what he has to to make sure nothing happens.

[ralphwiggum 6]

you obviously know nothing about legal actions. just because they are running away doesn't neccessarily give LEOs right to shoot.

every LEO agencies have doctrine that says you will only use force if it is neccessary to defend safety of yourself or the public.

a speedig car is a threat to both, but only in RARE occasions LEOs use force. most of the time, they just wait for the suspect to stop the car.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">America is olready over populated by people who are not citizens<span id='postcolor'>

look for person named Loretta Sanchez who was nominated by Bush in early administration years. The underlying pins of US economy, whether you like it or not, is those illegal immigrants. they do dirty jobs that you don't want to take.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of they will not stop when told, and there is no other mean to stop the, then yes deadly force can be used. America is olready over populated by people who are not citizens. If a cop feels threatend at all, then he should be able to do what he has to to make sure nothing happens.<span id='postcolor'>

Duke, you really need to start paying attention in school. Perhaps then you'd learn some fundamentals of the way that civilised people act. I will assume that you are naive, and not merely ignorant.

Attempting to illegally enter a country is not an act that justifies the use of lethal force. Ever. For someone who says they are a christian you seem awfully fond of killing people whose only aspiration is to make a better life for themselves. And if you look in your family trree, you will likely find immigrants within a few generations. How would you feel if your grandparents were/are immigrants..and they had been turned away at the borders, or shot.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of they will not stop when told, and there is no other mean to stop the, then yes deadly force can be used. America is olready over populated by people who are not citizens. If a cop feels threatend at all, then he should be able to do what he has to to make sure nothing happens.<span id='postcolor'>

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THAT ?

in every western country , the cops DO NOT shoot or hit anybody if they feel threatened , only when they ARE threatened (except some exceptions where some cops , a minority , are triggerhappy......)

you mustn't shoot on unthreatening people , it's against all ethic

they come in your country only to make money for their familly

the role of a cop is not to kill illegal immigrant but to catch them , if they don't cath them , then ok , they missed this time

the use of deadly force is not , i repeat IS NOT for this kind of intervention , it would be like if someone would hit you with a stunning baton while you enter in a Kosher restaurant because you're christian

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 03 2002,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of they will not stop when told, and there is no other mean to stop the, then yes deadly force can be used. America is olready over populated by people who are not citizens. If a cop feels threatend at all, then he should be able to do what he has to to make sure nothing happens.<span id='postcolor'>

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THAT ?

in every western country , the cops DO NOT shoot or hit anybody if they feel threatened , only when they ARE threatened (except some exceptions where some cops , a minority , are triggerhappy......)

you mustn't shoot on unthreatening people , it's against all ethic

they come in your country only to make money for their familly

the role of a cop is not to kill illegal immigrant but to catch them , if they don't cath them , then ok , they missed this time

the use of deadly force is not , i repeat IS NOT for this kind of intervention , it would be like if someone would hit you with a stunning baton while you enter in a Kosher restaurant because you're christian<span id='postcolor'>

Thats why police don't have guns in Britain. If they get into trouble they can call on a highly trained mobile firearms unit.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 03 2002,22:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 03 2002,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of they will not stop when told, and there is no other mean to stop the, then yes deadly force can be used. America is olready over populated by people who are not citizens. If a cop feels threatend at all, then he should be able to do what he has to to make sure nothing happens.<span id='postcolor'>

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THAT ?

in every western country , the cops DO NOT shoot or hit anybody if they feel threatened , only when they ARE threatened (except some exceptions where some cops , a minority , are triggerhappy......)

you mustn't shoot on unthreatening people , it's against all ethic

they come in your country only to make money for their familly

the role of a cop is not to kill illegal immigrant but to catch them , if they don't cath them , then ok , they missed this time

the use of deadly force is not , i repeat IS NOT for this kind of intervention , it would be like if someone would hit you with a stunning baton while you enter in a Kosher restaurant because you're christian<span id='postcolor'>

Thats why police don't have guns in Britain. If they get into trouble they can call on a highly trained mobile firearms unit.<span id='postcolor'>

but guns are sometimes usefull , not all police units in france are issued with guns , the proximity police doesn't have any lethal equipement for exemple

but let's take this exemple : a british pooliceman arrive just on time for a bank robbery , what can he do ? the suspects are escaping , they killed a bank guard ? lol , will you wait for the "fast special intervention blah blah team" ?

[Blaegis 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Aug. 03 2002,21:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Attempting to illegally enter a country is not an act that justifies the use of lethal force. Ever.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, unless they are illegaly entering as a part of a motor-rifle division...    

But seriously, with such attitudes I sure hope that they won't let you near any job that gives you access to a firearm or gives you any degree of authority over people, Duke.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Police should be able to do more, i.e. not get in trouble whne they hit soembody. Like out in CA when those illegal aliens where running, there was nothing wrong with hiting them, but soem group of bigger morons than myself had to say something. So the Army should be able to use any force nessacry to stop illegal aliens from entering the country.<span id='postcolor'>

You start sounding like a Nazi.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

You cant just walk around shooting people. I saw you as some Christian nutcase earlier, but seeing how you are so fond of killing innicent people i tend to think uve forgotten your bible?

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Aug. 03 2002,22:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Police should be able to do more, i.e. not get in trouble whne they hit soembody. Like out in CA when those illegal aliens where running, there was nothing wrong with hiting them, but soem group of bigger morons than myself had to say something. So the Army should be able to use any force nessacry to stop illegal aliens from entering the country.<span id='postcolor'>

You start sounding like a Nazi.<span id='postcolor'>

Now now... that's unfair.

The Americans are starting a snitch line thing (tips) sort of like the East German Stasi of the cold war, and he's suggesting that border guards shoot people trying to cross, and that's a lot like East Germany too.

They sound like Stalinists, not Nazis

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 03 2002,22:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Aug. 03 2002,22:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Aug. 03 2002,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of they will not stop when told, and there is no other mean to stop the, then yes deadly force can be used. America is olready over populated by people who are not citizens. If a cop feels threatend at all, then he should be able to do what he has to to make sure nothing happens.<span id='postcolor'>

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THAT ?

in every western country , the cops DO NOT shoot or hit anybody if they feel threatened , only when they ARE threatened (except some exceptions where some cops , a minority , are triggerhappy......)

you mustn't shoot on unthreatening people , it's against all ethic

they come in your country only to make money for their familly

the role of a cop is not to kill illegal immigrant but to catch them , if they don't cath them , then ok , they missed this time

the use of deadly force is not , i repeat IS NOT for this kind of intervention , it would be like if someone would hit you with a stunning baton while you enter in a Kosher restaurant because you're christian<span id='postcolor'>

Thats why police don't have guns in Britain. If they get into trouble they can call on a highly trained mobile firearms unit.<span id='postcolor'>

but guns are sometimes usefull , not all police units in france are issued with guns , the proximity police doesn't have any lethal equipement for exemple

but let's take this exemple : a british pooliceman arrive just on time for a bank robbery , what can he do ? the suspects are escaping , they killed a bank guard ? lol , will you wait for the "fast special intervention blah blah team" ?<span id='postcolor'>

My guess wouldd be they`d radio for support,scramble a chopper and tail it forcing it along a certain route and move in with an armed response unit.

The problem with here is that this isn`t america and guns are hard to come by unless u really need them and we have armed units to deal withh those situations but theres no non lethal equipment that could be useful for example baton rounds like over in N.ireland and maybe in the US.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in every western country , the cops DO NOT shoot or hit anybody if they feel threatened , only when they ARE threatened (except some exceptions where some cops , a minority , are triggerhappy......)<span id='postcolor'>

works in theory not in practice.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Har har Warin. Unfortunately, we have too much faith in our capitalist system for that- wait, I spoke to soon. Shit.

LOL Blaegis, thats a very good one    although I dont think we need to worry about Mexico's elite motor rifle divisions

And Duke, you are a typical conservative hypocrite. Nothing personal, but you fit the description. You are supposedly religious, you preach the great stuff the Bible has to offer, Jesus loves you and all that good stuff, but as soon as things that dont fit into your own little view of how the world should be come into play, you cant handle any compromise with the new factor. You instead think that the only way to deal with it is to outlaw it or shoot it, or to shoot it and then outlaw it.