Farewell Bohemia

[M_Wittmann 10]

Registered just for this.

Yeah.... Steam.

It's a shame.

Operation Flashpoint: Cold War is my all-time favourite game. There is not much one can say other than with the technology of the time it was amazing. It was beyond what you expected from gaming and I think I've sunk hundreds and hundreds of hours into it.

I have purchased the expansion as well.

Then came Arma and while it had a bit of a disappointing launch (issues and what not) I still thought it was amazing and I was overjoyed Bohemia had survived the split.

Bought Queen's Gambit also.

ArmA 2 fixed all the little issues of ArmA and is currently on my "always installed" list, with all expansions purchased.

However it all ends here, I'm simply not going to use Steam.

I'll see if I can find a way to directly send Bohemia half the value of ArmA 3, although with Steam, the modding scene will only be a shadow of its former self rendering ArmA 3 little more than a good game rather than the incredible piece of software its predecessors were. I might not even bother.

It's with heavy hands that I mark Bohemia off my list of trusted developers.

To leave noone. You were the only ones. You were the chosen ones.

Whenever I had to display the greatness of PC gaming, you were my first pick. No more, however.

Maybe I can just pretend you closed after ArmA 2. That might feel a bit better. End on a high note, you know.

[dale0404 5]

Wow!

What is your beef with Steam?

[sproyd 2]

So no video game company on earth is worthy of your esteemed discerning taste is what you are telling us?

[best2nd 10]

If you are a true ArmA fan, then you can tolerate Steam...

I just had to accept it...

And so can you...

although with Steam, the modding scene will only be a shadow of its former self rendering ArmA 3 little more than a good game rather than the incredible piece of software its predecessors were. I might not even bother.

Modding is handled the same way as in ArmA 2.

Heck, ArmA 3 is the only title that allows modding in Alpha state.

So, your argument is invalid...

Edited June 14, 2013 by Best2nd
Modding BS

[Kakihara0513 10]

although with Steam, the modding scene will only be a shadow of its former self rendering ArmA 3 little more than a good game rather than the incredible piece of software its predecessors were.

That is an asinine statement. The only games that Steam affected negatively for modding communities were from when Steam was first released. If that is the only reason why you'll leave, then you're making a very misinformed decision.

Skyrim's modding community is just as big as Oblivion and Morrowind even though it uses Steamworks.

[Smurf 12]

A little late to the party....

[M_Wittmann 10]

Wow!

What is your beef with Steam?

Other than it working absolutely terrible on my machine, it often makes it incredibly hard to find mods and patches.

Also, it's a way of turning PCs into controlled machines like consoles, which fills me with deep disgust.

So no video game company on earth is worthy of your esteemed discerning taste is what you are telling us?

The Bohemia Interactive of OFP, ArmA and ArmA 2 is.

That is an asinine statement. The only games that Steam affected negatively for modding communities were from when Steam was first released. If that is the only reason why you'll leave, then you're making a very misinformed decision.

Skyrim's modding community is just as big as Oblivion and Morrowind even though it uses Steamworks.

You are naive and arrogant.

The only reason Skyrim's modding community survived Steam is thanks to the Nexus and how it remained the go-to place for mods.

[best2nd 10]

Other than it working absolutely terrible on my machine, it often makes it incredibly hard to find mods and patches.

WHAT!!!

Patches are handled automatically.

Mods are on BIS forums or Armaholic...

What the hell, dude...

Edit: You really have to learn to ignore Steam. I have a grudge with it too, but I just turn my ignore mod on and bugger on...

[dale0404 5]

Other than it working absolutely terrible on my machine, it often makes it incredibly hard to find mods and patches.

Also, it's a way of turning PCs into controlled machines like consoles, which fills me with deep disgust.

You do know that you do not have to use Steam to download the mods for Arma 3 right? You can download them through Armaholic and other sites just like you can with all the other Arma games... And is it really anyone's fault apart from your own that Steam doesn't work on your machine? Regarding your last statement, "Also, it's a way of turning PCs into controlled machines like consoles..."; that's just plain silly, do you work for a security company or something? Maybe ION?:p

[M_Wittmann 10]

Patches are handled automatically.

Which is exactly the issue I'm talking about.

I don't want automatic crap, I want control.

I want to choose what patch I install and when.

This is not in discussion.

Mods are on BIS forums or Armaholic...

Will they be though?

How can you know?

And is it really anyone's fault apart from your own that Steam doesn't work on your machine?

I'd say yes, it's Valve's fault for making a crappy piece of software.

It's not like I'm the only one that's had permanent issues with it.

do you work for a security company or something?

Not exactly, but security is a big concern in my line of work. Why do you ask?

[dale0404 5]

Which is exactly the issue I'm talking about.

I don't want automatic crap, I want control.

I want to choose what patch I install and when.

This is not in discussion.

Will they be though?

How can you know?

Dude, so you don't want to patch your game to make it better?

And the Devs have already said that sites like Armaholic will continue, they aint taking anything away from the community.

[froggyluv 2136]

Fare thee well M_Wittmann of The Internet!

*whisperhint* It's more dignified when you just say your piece and leave :cool:

[purepassion 22]

You know, if you think that steam is the reason for you not to play Arma 3, that's your personal decision.

Why the dramatic choice of words? If you have a particular problem with steam, call it and go to the steam thread.

BIS is still BIS.. Arma is still Arma...

The modding scene isn't dying, it's as active as it ever was.

People appreciate the advantages steam has and especially the advantages it brought to the developers. They have a unified pipeline which makes almost every process much faster and much easier. This is resulting in a better game.

It enabled them to release a Alpha version and utilize the current development cycle. They can use steam's massive ressources and features which would usually be just another problem they have to solve while not working on the actual game.

If you as an individual don't like steam for one reason or another, that's your problem. Steam has made Arma 3 possible and let me tell you, you will miss out big time...

[ProfTournesol 956]

I don't see what's bad with those already opened topics about steam and steam / modding / workshop.

[dale0404 5]

Not exactly, but security is a big concern in my line of work. Why do you ask?

So do you work for ION? You do know about ION?

[best2nd 10]

Which is exactly the issue I'm talking about.

I don't want automatic crap, I want control.

I want to choose what patch I install and when.

This is not in discussion.

You can disable automatic updates...

Which is exactly the issue I'm talking about.

Will they be though?

How can you know?

Example mod

BIS would never limit moding...

[M_Wittmann 10]

Dude, so you don't want to patch your game to make it better?

Not necessarily.

I want to be able to choose the patch that works the best on my system.

Certain patches introduced issues on some machines. Also I want to be able to choose beta patches.

you will miss out big time...

I'll miss out on a leash being put on me, other than that I will miss nothing.

You can disable automatic updates...

I know, but you cannot choose patches.

You cannot backup the executables.

[Smurf 12]

Oh this bullshit again....

[purepassion 22]

Just so you know, the thread will be closed in a second but I give the OP a opportunity to shortly reflect on the advice he recieved...

[zimms 22]

Which is exactly the issue I'm talking about.

I don't want automatic crap, I want control.

I want to choose what patch I install and when.

This is not in discussion.

You can decide to not auto patch games with Steam.

You have no clue what you are talking about. You know nothing about the subject, but you hate it and won't change your opinion. Haven't seen such an ignorant person for quite some time.

Will they be though?

How can you know?

Will they be though for Arma 2?

How can you know?

[Sealife 22]

Real shame some people base there desicions on the fiction of a few rather than the Facts of many.

I never like to see anybody embarass themselves by making an enjoyable experience turn to an horrific one because of some bullshit half truths , its worse still when a fellow OFP player uses it has an exuse to stop supporting BIS.

My advice is to follow the facts not the Myths.

[M_Wittmann 10]

Just so you know, the thread will be closed in a second but I give the OP a opportunity to shortly reflect on the advice he recieved...

Typical, and a great display of the mindset of those subject to Steam.

You can decide to not auto patch games with Steam.

Read my previous post.

You cannot choose patches.

Stream of insults

How mature.

[best2nd 10]

The only reason Skyrim's modding community survived Steam is thanks to the Nexus and how it remained the go-to place for mods.

I just realized that this doesn't make sense.

[M_Wittmann 10]

I just realized that this doesn't make sense.

skyrim.nexusmods.com/

[dale0404 5]

May as well close the thread, looks like we aint going to persuade him otherwise :rolleyes:

But if you do want some proper advice I suggest you creating another thread and being a little more receptive. Put down your hates about Steam in a constructive way, give some valid arguments so we can have a proper discussion etc.