Us vs. rest of the world

[ralphwiggum 6]

This is an article from abcnews.com about how US is acting in terms of global politics. This issue has been discussed and will be discussed here, but thought it would serve some utility here.

click here

any comments?

[Satchel 0]

I wonder if there was a shortage on news, nothing else to publish, as its nothing really groundbreaking new to people following foreign politics over the last years.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Whatever, I pretty much agree with Bush,except on a few things.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ July 17 2002,20:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is an article from abcnews.com about how US is acting in terms of global politics. This issue has been discussed and will be discussed here, but thought it would serve some utility here.

click here

any comments?<span id='postcolor'>

Geeee, why do you talk so formal suddenly!

Sorry, but I am fed up of formal language since I write 7 applications per day for 2 weeks now!

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the year 530, when the Romans attacked the Persians, they didn't first clear it with Greece. The French emperor Napoleon showed no particular concern for international law when he sought to weaken the British by excluding them from international trade. And there is no record of Queen Victoria having lost sleep over the summary executions of Indian mutineers by the British Army in India.

History records that dominant world powers have always been guided, first and foremost, by their own national interest. They do what they believe to be necessary because they can. If anything, it can be argued that the Bush administration, in asserting its interests, has been more benign than any of its predecessors.

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So what? GAH! The American news media is so liberally biased.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The phrase used in Washington to describe all this, is euro-whining.

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Bingo! I hear alot of that around here! (j/k)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Such was not the case with the International Criminal Court, and this is perhaps as clear a distinction between today's superpower and yesterday's empire as can be found.

The United States, after much bluster about not wanting its soldiers to be hauled in front of a hostile court for war crimes or causing civilian casualties during peacekeeping missions around the world, backed down from a threat of removing its peacekeepers from the Balkans. U.S. officials agreed to a yearlong exemption from prosecution as it tries to work out a compromise.

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I am a chauvanist pig. International governing bodies scare me. They threaten the sovereignty of all of our nations. USSoldier11B has NO love for the U.N.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 18 2002,02:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am a chauvanist pig. International governing bodies scare me. They threaten the sovereignty of all of our nations. USSoldier11B has NO love for the U.N.  <span id='postcolor'>

Yes, why share any of the candy when you can have it all for yourself. You have a very selfish point of view. Immoral even, one might say. I think that we have the resposibility to help those less fortunate and the UN is a way of providing help to nations that need it.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, why share any of the candy when you can have it all for yourself. You have a very selfish point of view. Immoral even, one might say. I think that we have the resposibility to help those less fortunate and the UN is a way of providing help to nations that need it.

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Perhaps it is selfish. Why should I give a shit about anyone else. We try to help people and they just spit in our faces and crash planes into our buildings. Sorry, the welfare of my nation is more important to me than that of the rest of the world. My beliefs might be immoral to you, but that doesn't mean that they truly are. Share our candy? They slit our throats and take it before we even get a change to share. The ones that we do share with choke on it and then sue us for liability.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 18 2002,03:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Perhaps it is selfish. Why should I give a shit about anyone else. Sorry, the welfare of my nation is more important to me than that of the rest of the world. My beliefs might be immoral to you, but that doesn't mean that they truly are. Share our candy? They slit our throats and take it before we even get a change to share. The ones that we do share with choke on it and then sue us for liability. <span id='postcolor'>

Why would you care about anybody else then yourself? I mean following your logic, why care for your countrymen and your country at all when you can limit that to yourself?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We try to help people and they just spit in our faces and crash planes into our buildings.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, and your countrymen kill and rob each other every day. Why should you care about them? The probability of you getting whacked by one of your fellow Americans is much higher then that you get killed by the people who crash planes into your buildings.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, and your countrymen kill and rob each other every day. Why should you care about them? The probability of you getting whacked by one of your fellow Americans is much higher then that you get killed by the people who crash planes into your buildings.

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This is true, sorry I'm just bitter. It's not that I think humanitarian relief is unimportant, because it is. I just fear that international governing bodies overstep their boundaries and jeapordize the sovereinty of the nations of the world. You don't really want there to be a conglomerate world government someday do you?

[billytran 0]

You cannot have an objective international governing body. Politics and a whole bunch of other BS will screw it up. That's why the US was booted off the human rights council in favor of China and Syria. The whiny EU-nics were trying to hurt the US. Do you think that the same thing wouldn't happen in the ICC?

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 18 2002,03:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, why share any of the candy when you can have it all for yourself. You have a very selfish point of view. Immoral even, one might say. I think that we have the resposibility to help those less fortunate and the UN is a way of providing help to nations that need it.

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Perhaps it is selfish. Why should I give a shit about anyone else. We try to help people and they just spit in our faces and crash planes into our buildings. Sorry, the welfare of my nation is more important to me than that of the rest of the world. My beliefs might be immoral to you, but that doesn't mean that they truly are. Share our candy? They slit our throats and take it before we even get a change to share. The ones that we do share with choke on it and then sue us for liability. <span id='postcolor'>

Hm, only the Americans could equate al-Queda with nations given aid. "The rest of the world is one place" mentality. Someone called the US child like, I find it hard to disagree with afier reading this.

[Guest]

USSoldier11B & billytran:

Just as we have outrgown the village council as a form of government/rule we are with the current globalization outgrowing the nation government. We are more and more progressing into a society where we all watch the same television, eat the same food and play the same computer games. Why is it then so hard to believe that we might have some political things in common?

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hm, only the Americans could equate al-Queda with nations given aid. "The rest of the world is one place" mentality. Someone called the US child like, I find it hard to disagree with afier reading this.

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?? We DID give the people of Afghanistan aid when the were fighting the Russians. The D.O. of the CIA even said that it would come back to hit us in the face one day. I was watching a pre-9/11 documentary on the subject. The analysts were so right that it is scary.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 18 2002,03:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Someone called the US child like, I find it hard to disagree with afier reading this.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, it is becasue USA *is * a child. And I mean it in the nicest possible way. America is a rebellious teenager with everything that goes with that.

Europe's objections against USA are not because we don't like USA. On the contrary. Europe is the loving parent that tries to talk its kid into some sense. The kid is growing up, getting its own ideas and disagrees with the parents. It's all normal. It's all natural. USA is growing. It is no longer a small naive nation but it is yet not mature. It doesn't have the experience that it's parents, the European countries have. It is physically strong but still very unsecure. It wants to go its own way, and has its own ideas but is still in need of guidance from the parents.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 18 2002,04:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 18 2002,03:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Someone called the US child like, I find it hard to disagree with afier reading this.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, it is becasue USA *is * a child. And I mean it in the nicest possible way. America is a rebellious teenager with everything that goes with that.

Europe's objections against USA are not because we don't like USA. On the contrary. Europe is the loving parent that tries to talk its kid into some sense. The kid is growing up, getting its own ideas and disagrees with the parents. It's all normal. It's all natural. USA is growing. It is no longer a small naive nation but it is yet not mature. It doesn't have the experience that it's parents, the European countries have. It is physically strong but still very unsecure. It wants to go its own way, and has its own ideas but is still in need of guidance from the parents.<span id='postcolor'>

To continue the analagy, Europe must not get weak in her elderly state and get pushed down the stairs, and sent to a rest home out of the way. Europe must remain powerful.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 18 2002,04:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To continue the analagy, Europe must not get weak in her elderly state and get pushed down the stairs, and sent to a rest home out of the way. Europe must remain powerful.<span id='postcolor'>

Lol. I can see them plotting how to put us in an old people's home

No but what I meant was while America is ultimately entiteled to go its own way it would be wise to listen to Europe who has a real world political experience that streches over a millennium.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 18 2002,03:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">?? We DID give the people of Afghanistan aid when the were fighting the Russians. The D.O. of the CIA even said that it would come back to hit us in the face one day. I was watching a pre-9/11 documentary on the subject. The analysts were so right that it is scary.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeap. And then as soon as the Soviets pulled out, all the US aid disappeared.

It's a simple fact that the US has a history of giving aid when it is in their best interests, then cutting it off when that interest is no longer served.  And you wonder why Arabs hate the US!  To the arab mind, that sort of duplicity is a huge and almost unforgivable offence.

When you hold your hand out in friendship, you cant pull it back when it doesnt serve your interests anymore.

As to the CIA sorts being right... it's not hard to guess that someone is eventually going to do something when you know you've done them wrong.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Europe's objections against USA are not because we don't like USA. On the contrary. Europe is the loving parent that tries to talk its kid into some sense. The kid is growing up, getting its own ideas and disagrees with the parents. It's all normal. It's all natural. USA is growing. It is no longer a small naive nation but it is yet not mature. It doesn't have the experience that it's parents, the European countries have. It is physically strong but still very unsecure. It wants to go its own way, and has its own ideas but is still in need of guidance from the parents<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, but our parents are all becoming socialist. Something we have been fighting tooth and nail since WWII. Time for your pill grandpa. Is the nurse taking good care of you?

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 18 2002,04:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, but our parents are all becoming socialist. Something we have been fighting tooth and nail since WWII. Time for your pill grandpa. Is the nurse taking good care of you? <span id='postcolor'>

Watch your language young man! You are grounded! No going to Iraq this year!

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 18 2002,04:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, but our parents are all becoming socialist. Something we have been fighting tooth and nail since WWII. Time for your pill grandpa. Is the nurse taking good care of you? <span id='postcolor'>

Good heaves!

You say socialism as if it's a bad thing...

Gosh, I know that I dont want to be able to rely on access to medecine... or help in my old age... or good policing... or a proper education.

What an evil thing

All of you right wing Americans need to realize that only if socialism is accompanied by a totalitarian government is it a bad thing. Canada is consistantly rated a better place to live than the US, and we're fairly socialistic

[Cloney 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 18 2002,04:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 18 2002,03:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Someone called the US child like, I find it hard to disagree with afier reading this.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, it is becasue USA *is * a child. And I mean it in the nicest possible way. America is a rebellious teenager with everything that goes with that.

Europe's objections against USA are not because we don't like USA. On the contrary. Europe is the loving parent that tries to talk its kid into some sense. The kid is growing up, getting its own ideas and disagrees with the parents. It's all normal. It's all natural. USA is growing. It is no longer a small naive nation but it is yet not mature. It doesn't have the experience that it's parents, the European countries have. It is physically strong but still very unsecure. It wants to go its own way, and has its own ideas but is still in need of guidance from the parents.<span id='postcolor'>

Excuse Me?

What Experience is that? Killing each other over the past thousand years? I have to go with 11B here. Screw everyone else. We feed them and give them clothes and they come and shoot our soldiers on PEACEKEEPING & HUMANITARIAN MISSIONS (US Marines in Somalia in 1992?).

Same thing with Europe. We help you guys rebuild after massive *DEVASTATION*. UK's Economy was in tatters and France was in Terrible Shape. We helped rebuild Germany, France. (And the UK's Economy!. Now what do we get from you Euros? Nothing. We get kicked off the human rights council. That complete bullshit. Too bad we can't go Isolationist again.

Thats Garbage, Europe isn't our "parents". If they are, we need to call the Child Abuse Center because of all the shit we get from them.

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[Warin 0]

Actually Cloney, the Somalis werent killing the Marines.  The Marines were held in very high regard.  It's when the powers that be decided that Aidid had to go and sent in Task Force Ranger and the Delta boys that the shooting of Americans became a popular sport.

Hell, the current head of the Hadr Gibr (Aidids clan) is one of his sons that was:

a) an American citizen

b) a Marine

c) part of the marine group that went to Somalia

I am not aiming this at anyone in particular...but Americans seem to have selective ways of viewing history.

[Harnu 0]

He should be spending more time with the US itself. Our markets haven't been doing so well. People have lost lots of money in retirement funds. Then he should be going and fighting terrorism. IMO, 22nd amendment should be taken away, the one that says a president can only server 2 terms. (God I hope I remember my studies) Cause I want Clinton back!

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ July 18 2002,04:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Excuse Me?

What Experience is that? Killing each other over the past thousand years?<span id='postcolor'>

Among other things that yes. We can give you some advice now that you and Al-Queda or you and Iraq or you and whoever are killing off each other.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Same thing with Europe. We help you guys rebuild after massive *DEVASTATION*. UK's Economy was in tatters and France was in Terrible Shape. We helped rebuild Germany, France. (And the UK's Economy!. Now what do we get from you Euros? Nothing. We get kicked off the human rights council. That complete bullshit. Too bad we can't go Isolationist again.

Thats Garbage, Europe isn't our "parents". If they are, we need to call the Child Abuse Center because of all the shit we get from them.

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You forget that you were an European colony. Without Europe there would be no America today. Second, if the French hadn't helped you in your little insurrection you would still be singing God Save the Queen (no offense Canada ). Third of all you only got your liberty because the British decided that you were not worth the effort.

Oh and about WW2, sure the Americans helped Europe. On the other hand if it wasn't for Europe there is a big possibility that you would be singing "Deutschland, Deutschland, Ãœber Alles" today. The Europeans provided 3/5 of the forces in WW2, and that is without counting the Russians which are also Europeans.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ July 18 2002,04:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually Cloney, the Somalis werent killing the Marines.  The Marines were held in very high regard.  It's when the powers that be decided that Aidid had to go and sent in Task Force Ranger and the Delta boys that the shooting of Americans became a popular sport.

Hell, the current head of the Hadr Gibr (Aidids clan) is one of his sons that was:

a) an American citizen

b) a Marine

c) part of the marine group that went to Somalia

I am not aiming this at anyone in particular...but Americans seem to have selective ways of viewing history. <span id='postcolor'>

geezze..gone for about few hours and I start another flammable material..let's see how it goes..

anyway, that son of Somali leader also has medical background