Low CPU utilization & Low FPS

[bangtail 0]

great ad hominem.

infractions to me shows a lot of other things, one exemple could be anti stablishment non conformant behaviour, traits that usually stir up discussions with great output once challenged by upto par individuals that use proper logic as means of argumentating, instead of plain meaningless logical fallacys over and over like yourself. and i had a couple of those infractions, but were taken away after it was cleared, by me, that they were wrongfull.

you best way to prove your point would be post a video or screenshots to support your statement, because you see, you can find videos, screenshots and lots of information made by people that suffer from it in an effort to shed light on this troublesome subject, however, there are close to no material at all showing otherwise. what we endup getting by those that voice their positive opinions about performance and a very sizeable amoint of posts usually amount to zero.

i´m not saying you are lying, i´m also not saying that you can´t post as much as you like, i´m just saying that posting without any sort of evidence or at least logical conclusions made while using some supportive material will just endup being completely dismissed by everyone.

Sorry white, I'm not here to prove anything to you and that was not an ad hom attack FYI, that was an observation.

I don't care if you believe me or not, I merely posted my observations.

They are as valid as yours or anyone else's.

Should we disbelieve all the naysayers who don't post evidence to the contrary?

I have more important things to do with my day :D

They are not 'logical fallacies' as you are not the authority on A3's performance and your opinion is certainly not the benchmark (I know exactly what they are - I simply don't see the need to provide you with any evidence to enhance my conclusion - my observations of A3's performance are precise, and as such, do not need further clarification)

It's not enough that it doesn't work the way you want it to, everyone has to agree with you as well.

I'll be adding you to the ignore pile as we are way off topic at this point ;)

Edited April 24, 2013 by BangTail

[white 1]

Sorry white, I'm not here to prove anything to you and that was not an ad hom attack FYI, that was an observation.

I don't care if you think I am lying or not, I merely posted my observations.

I´m aware you don´t care, otherwise you wouldnt keep posting without any meaningfull information to support your claims.

Should we disbelieve all the naysayers who don't post evidence to the contrary?

Of course, no matter what the subject is. If i post evidence proving my point you either have to pick holes in my argument/evidence or show an evidence of your own supporting your claims.

I have more important things to do with my day :D

You keep posting so i will choose to believe otherwise.

They are not 'logical fallacies' as you are not the authority on A3's performance and your opinion is certainly not the benchmark.

They are as valid as yours or anyone else's.

Apparently you are not aware of what a logical fallacy is.

It's not enough that it doesn't work the way you want it to, everyone has to agree with you as well.

I'll be adding you to the ignore pile as we are way off topic at this point ;)

Noone has to agree with me, not only that, i want people to disagree with me and prove me wrong by using facts and being logical. I´m here to learn and be challenged, because discussions are usually where i learn the most.

Yes, ignoring is usually what ignorants do. Not unexpected. Considering the amount of posts without any evidence arguing against the topic at hand i believe this particular discussion is actually very helpfull in order for people to start making an effort and prove their claims, or simply avoid posting meaningless and baseless statements that add nothing to the topic and thus the game development. (well that is if the developers take into account the information gathered and tested here, altought i believe they do not)

Edited April 24, 2013 by white

[Insanatrix 0]

I can sorta agree with that statement for me. When it's good, it's better, and when it's bad, it's worse. By that, I mean that when the FPS/GPU usage isn't dropping, it actually runs better than Arma 2. But, if I play for 10 - 15 mins, then the GPU usage will drop from 99 to anywhere between 98 and 20%. The lower the percentage, the lower the FPS. And it can get pretty bad sometimes. But, if GPU usage stays at 99%, then I get pretty good FPS around Stratis (from like 33 to 50). It'll drop to around 25 when in towns. I'd say performance with AI is worse than in Arma 2 though. And MP performance depends on the server, and more importantly, the MP mission.

Well If I throw myself into the empty map with no other entities, yeah I get somewhat better performance than ArmA 2, I will agree with that to an extent. There are still some area's were there are unexplained dips in FPS, maybe where there is no object culling but I think that's more of a separate issue. ArmA 3 isn't a scenic tour simulator though. As soon as you start putting entities into the world, usage goes down and FPS goes down, this is when it easily gets worse than ArmA 2.

Edited April 24, 2013 by Insanatrix

[ric 1]

Well If I throw myself into the empty map with no other entities, yeah I get somewhat better performance than ArmA 2, I will agree with that to an extent. There are still some area's were there are unexplained dips in FPS, maybe where there is no object culling but I think that's more of a separate issue. ArmA 3 isn't a scenic tour simulator though. As soon as you start putting entities into the world, usage goes down and FPS goes down, this is when it easily gets worse than ArmA 2.

i did some tests the other day with my server, i went from 4 cores to one, as soon the server was booted all was fine until the AI spawned then it would crash (of course) but with 2 cores running the mission and server would load and begin, can you run a PvP server on a single core server? it would be interesting to see if this could be done and how would it affect the FPS and over all game play.

[flexus 10]

On my Titan the GPU usage is around 55% and FPS 60. I can max all settings out and it will still performce like this. So I guess it is the game / driver is not utilized yet so can`t see no need to troubleshoot this one.

[white 1]

On my Titan the GPU usage is around 55% and FPS 60. I can max all settings out and it will still performce like this. So I guess it is the game / driver is not utilized yet so can`t see no need to troubleshoot this one.

not much can be asserted from your lack of providing thorough information.

[tonschuh 3]

On my Titan the GPU usage is around 55% and FPS 60. I can max all settings out and it will still performce like this. So I guess it is the game / driver is not utilized yet so can`t see no need to troubleshoot this one.

Which kind of CPU and did you turn VSync off ? I run 2x Gigabyte GTX680-SOC-2GB in SLI and if I max everything out (Visibility included), then I get 99% GPU-Load and ~25-35 fps when playing the Infantry-Showcase. CPU is a 3770k @4200MHz.

:)

[mobile_medic 43]

Ran "Escape from Stratis" with a friend.

Got down to 12fps. 20% gpu....... :/

[ric 1]

Ran "Escape from Stratis" with a friend.

Got down to 12fps. 20% gpu....... :/

just out or curiosity what are your specs?

[mobile_medic 43]

just out or curiosity what are your specs?

i7 960 @ 3.97ghz

EVGA GTX 580 3GB @ 824mhz

12GB Ram

Playing at 2560x1600 on a single monitor.

As mentioned previously, 3 of the showcase missions (all but helicopter) and an empty map play fine for me with 90-100% gpu usage and 50fps average at my current settings. Empty map also plays fine with high usage and accompanying high frame rate. But, when this happens, which is with pretty much anything else, I'm looking at 12-30fps with 20-50% gpu. No settings or resolution changes make a difference, etc, etc, etc. As has been discussed for years now going back to at least Arma 2 (for me) :)

Escape from Stratis started out at around 30fps and 50-60% gpu. Gradually got worse, until it was as mentioned above by about half way through the mission.

My friend suffers less noticeably from this problem on a lower spec machine. He uses a modern amd cpu and a gtx 275. But, by the end of it, he was also at around 12fps and 20% gpu.

[CIATerrorist 10]

I had this problem with crossfire until i changed from full screen windowed (default on my game) to just full screen.

[tonschuh 3]

I use for my System (3770k @4326MHz + 2x GTX680-SOC-2GB + 16GB (4x4GB) G.Skill @2198MHz + Windows-8-Pro-WMC-x64 + 2x 1920x1080 on 2 Screens, but only the Main-Screen is used for Gaming @1920x1080) the following Start-Parameters in Steam:

-noSplash -high -maxMem=8192 -malloc=tbb4malloc_bi -cpuCount=8 -exThreads=7

They are based on the guide I found here:

Click

Additionally I disabled Core-Parking, which works for Windows-8 as well:

Disable Core Parking on Windows 7

This is an aggressive power saving approach which makes the system feel sluggish and underpowered..

Who is affected

It only applies to Windows 7 X64 and X32 and only in systems using more than 2 physical CPU's and/or more than 2 "logical" cores - ie: Core i7's.

The Problem

Core Parking is a feature of Windows 7 that is causing rare performance problems. I don't notice it on my home i7 / Win7 system but some people are getting microstutters and odd behavior in certain programs. Without the following " tweak" you may see CPU spiking in your programs and Windows Task Manager - some CPU cores will be "turned off" / "parked" depending on load and they will be dynamically turned on or off and dynamically loaded up or down as the system deems necessary - the scope for glitches / pops / clicks / dropouts etc.... in such an environment is simply enormous. To the best of my knowledge, there is no known "switch" to turn it off - no utility I am aware of to "tweak" it off.

Download:

http://adf.ly/9QbNx

The Power-Options within Windows-8 are set to "High Performance".

My Settings in the NVIDIA-Control Panel are set to "default" except:

- Multi-display / mixed-GPU acceleration = "Single display performance mode"

- Power management mode = "Prefer maximum performance"

- SLI rendering mode = NVIDIA recommended

- Threaded optimisation = "On"

- Vertical Sync = "Adaptive"

- SLI configuration = "Maximise 3D performance"

- PhysX settings = "Auto-select" PhysX > GeForce GTX 680 (2)

With auto-detected Settings my GPU's max @ ~74% and my CPU @ ~60%, when I play the Infantry-Showcase and I get ~55-60fps. In Multi-Player the Frames go down sometimes to ~40fps.

Maxed-out Graphic-Settings only increase the GPU-Load to 99% and decrease the Frames to ~25-35fps. The CPU-Load is staying within the same range.

All CPU-Cores / Threads are in use all the time. I use the GeForce v320.00 Beta-Drivers

I hope this will help some of you guy's.

:)

Edited April 29, 2013 by TONSCHUH
increased RAM-Speed

[teejayd 1]

I use for my System (3770k @4326MHz + 2x GTX680-SOC-2GB + 16GB (4x4GB) G.Skill @2133MHz + Windows-8-Pro-WMC-x64 + 2x 1920x1080 on 2 Screens, but only the Main-Screen is used for Gaming @1920x1080) the following Start-Parameters in Steam:

They are based on the guide I found here:

Click

Additionally I disabled Core-Parking, which works for Windows-8 as well:

The Power-Options within Windows-8 are set to "High Performance".

My Settings in the NVIDIA-Control Panel are set to "default" except:

- Multi-display / mixed-GPU acceleration = "Single display performance mode"

- Power management mode = "Prefer maximum performance"

- SLI rendering mode = NVIDIA recommended

- Threaded optimisation = "On"

- Vertical Sync = "Adaptive"

- SLI configuration = "Maximise 3D performance"

- PhysX settings = "Auto-select" PhysX > GeForce GTX 680 (2)

My GPU's max @ ~74% and my CPU @ ~60%, when I play the Infantry-Showcase and I get ~55-60fps. In Multi-Player the Frames go down sometimes to ~40fps.

Maxed-out Graphic-Settings only increase the GPU-Load to 99% and decrease the Frames to ~25-35fps. The CPU-Load is staying within the same range.

All CPU-Cores / Threads are in use all the time. I use the GeForce v320.00 Beta-Drivers

I hope this will help some of you guy's.

:)

And you should get a much better performance with such a computer.

[guusert 1]

The game is optimized way better than arma 2... With the settings I play on ArmA 3... My PC would of explode on ArmA 2... So they did a good job on that!

They did a good job on that?! FFFFUUUUUU I can't believe how people can say they did a good job optimizing this game. This game should run twice as fast as it runs now. It runs so bad that they could've just done away with the graphics settings, since it doesn't change a damn thing to your performance. I want my damn money back when this game comes out. I can't believe how this is legal. People who should be able to run ArmA 2 based on the system requirements can't run it and Bohemia doesn't get punished? They can even do it again with this game. I'm so mad.

[tonschuh 3]

And you should get a much better performance with such a computer.

Yes, if I compare it with Games like Battlefield-3, where I get with Ultra-Settings up to 155fps and ~90fps on average, then I'm somewhat disappointed, but it's still an Alpha, so there is hope for some optimisations.

I didn't play previous ARMA-Titles, so I can't compare or judge if there are improvements or not.

:)

[KingScuba 1]

I'd like to point out a handy tool for opimization. Nvidia Inspector.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1267918/guide-nvidia-inspector-gtx670-680-disable-boost-fixed-clock-speed-undervolting

You can also try using said guide.

[antoineflemming 14]

I'd like to point out a handy tool for opimization. Nvidia Inspector.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1267918/guide-nvidia-inspector-gtx670-680-disable-boost-fixed-clock-speed-undervolting

You can also try using said guide.

Does it actually help? Because it didn't do much for me when I used it.

[tonschuh 3]

I'd like to point out a handy tool for opimization. Nvidia Inspector.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1267918/guide-nvidia-inspector-gtx670-680-disable-boost-fixed-clock-speed-undervolting

You can also try using said guide.

Thanks for the Tip ! I will have a look into if I have some spare time. Will possible need another BIOS as well for my GTX680's.

:)

[jumpinghubert 49]

Thanks for the Tip ! I will have a look into if I have some spare time. Will possible need another BIOS as well for my GTX680's.

:)

if your card is detected by windows there is no need to update the bios.

[tonschuh 3]

if your card is detected by windows there is no need to update the bios.

No, I was thinking about something like this here:

GTX 600 Series Unlocked Voltage Bios' downloads and tools

... but it looks like, that the SOC doesn't need a modded BIOS:

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 SOC review

... as you can apply a Software-Voltage-Hack:

GIGABYTE GTX680 Super Overclock software voltage hack

Here are some Info's for Lightning-Owners:

MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning

... or if someone wants to go a bit further, then there are some Hardcore-Mods possible as well:

TiN’s Guide to NVIDIA GTX 680 Modifications

:)

[jumpinghubert 49]

ok, you´r right......in very other game but not for arma3 :p

[tonschuh 3]

ok, you´r right......in very other game but not for arma3 :p

Yeah, as long they are not able to max my GPU's and CPU out it's useless, but maybe it would help someone with a Single-GTX670, as I got only 30-40fps with Ultra-Settings when I had my GTX670-OC-2GB and tried out the Infantry-Showcase.

Edit:

Just tried the latest Dev-Version (v055.104711) and there seems to be no improvement for me.

:)

Edited April 30, 2013 by TONSCHUH

[Droikka 1]

Yes, if I compare it with Games like Battlefield-3, where I get with Ultra-Settings up to 155fps and ~90fps on average, then I'm somewhat disappointed, but it's still an Alpha, so there is hope for some optimisations.

I didn't play previous ARMA-Titles, so I can't compare or judge if there are improvements or not.

:)

Heh, that's where you would go amiss with the comparison. A closer comparison would be with a real-time strategy game, as they're not player-centric.

[tet5uo 4]

Heh, that's where you would go amiss with the comparison. A closer comparison would be with a real-time strategy game, as they're not player-centric.

What are you saying here?

Edited April 30, 2013 by tet5uo

[SpezPro 10]

Hello! I've got following problem:

When i join a server i've got around 30-40 fps on respawn on my settings. After 1-2 hours of playing i've got 18-25 fps on same position with same settings. What could be the problem?? Specs: (Pc is 4 days old): fx 8350 4ghz, 7970hd, 16gb ddr3. Maybe there is any tipp how to get more fps? ;)

The next question is: Will bis do something for better optimisation? I mean its not possible that i've got just 20-50 fps on my pc that is for sure good enough to run arma 3 on very high with same fps.

Edited April 30, 2013 by SpezPro