Mig-29

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 12 2002,05:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I happen to believe that Socialism would be nice too. In fact perfect. Until you introduce humans into the equation, then somewhere along the line, something goes horribly wrong.

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Yeah, it's called greed and ambition. <span id='postcolor'>

Absolutley not! If one man works harder than another he deserves his rewards. Most people happen to cherish the freedom to improve themselves and their circumstances through ingenuity and entreprenureship.

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 12 2002,05:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Absolutley not! If one man works harder than another he deserves his rewards. Most people happen to cherish the freedom to improve themselves and their circumstances through ingenuity and entreprenureship.<span id='postcolor'>

In a perfect world yes.  Indeed in a capitalist societ that is how many achieve great things...however many also achieve greatness by stepping all over those who have less power and by decieving and misleading those who support their affluence....something we are seeing now.  I doubt there will be many more "Enrons & Worldcom's".  More then likely investigations are all paper tigers right now because any more such companies popping up would cause economic disaster.  Most of those companies who were manipulating the books are probably quietly but quickly trying to put their house in order.    Anyways both socialism and capitalism theoretically have much to author.  The best form of government I believe is one that balances capitalism with careful usage of socialism where capitalism is not in the best interest of a country's residents.    Case in point...all the deregulation of industries all over the U.S..... The result...increased costs for consumers instead of the promised lower costs.  That's why we got California going after energy price gougers and other shady capitalist practices.   Theoretically pure capitalism is a grand and noble thing...but in the real world, corporations can not always be trusted to do the right thing.     Thus the need for government controls for critical services, in other words, some type of socialism.  We are already seeing the obvious need for that emerge in medicine especially with prescription drugs for the elderly (here in the US)....like it or not socialism is being forced upon Americans because there are few other choices sometimes.  Socialism is not a dirty thing...only the abuse of socialism is. I think too much big government poking it's nose into my business is a bad thing...but sometimes government has to do it's job to protect it's citizens.

I think the American health care system needs to be socialized more...and when it gets too bloated it will be privatized again...and when that gets too excessive cost-wise it'll go back to socialized again....ect.. ect...  

You use what works at the time, and if it doesn't work you move on to something else.   That's the way good government works.  It's flexible.

So in other words learn the difference between communism and socialism.  Socialism does not mean a lack of freedom.  If done right it means greater protection from capitalistic abuses in critical areas of public welfare which equals to more freedom and security.  Sometimes it's needed, sometimes it's not.  But it's not inherently anti-freedom, or anti-democratic or anything.  

Anyways long live capitalism and socialism.  May they both thrive together in this world!

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Stag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ July 11 2002,08:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I happen to believe that Socialism would be nice too. In fact perfect. Until you introduce humans into the equation, then somewhere along the line, something goes horribly wrong.

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Yeah, it's called greed and ambition. <span id='postcolor'>

Exactly. Charming race, aren't we?

[OFPman 0]

ooooo, i can picture how fast the mig29 with be ^_^

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Please keep the discussion limited to the Mig-29. We have a lovely Offtopic forum where you can discuss communism and other such topics, and that's where I'll move this thread if it continues to stray offtopic

[Scorpio 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OFPman @ July 12 2002,08:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ooooo, i can picture how fast the mig29 with be ^_^<span id='postcolor'>

it will be the same speed as the F-16

[SpetsnazWarriorX 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 09 2002,21:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpetsnazWarriorX @ July 09 2002,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never quite saw the use of SAMS in OFP... Still don't. Explain to me a good scenario someone's had with SAMS and planes. I think only flight sims recreate this effectively, but I could always be wrong...   ALSO: Why is it that the 'fighter' planes in OFP never perform any evasive manouevres? i.e. you're on their six, and all they do is turn in a wide circle, or just carry on straight - even if the AI skill is set to highest. Is there any way you can get them to perform sharp turns or loops? Or even launch some AAs/fire cannons at you? It would seem rather more appropriate for the F-16 to want to jink left and right, in order to appear on my Hawk's six, instead of sluggishly turning wide    The choppers seem to be intent on shooting down my plane if I go head to head, or if I just happen to be turning slowly. Either way, just a little point I wanted to... erm... point out  <span id='postcolor'>

The game engine wont accomodate it as you well know.<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, I didn't know     [Whoa! Keep away from a topic for less than one day, and look how it piles up with political and sentimental crap!    ]

[Major Fubar 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wardog @ July 12 2002,00:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, whatever. The SS got imprisoned or shot, the NKVD got medals and pensions.

Personally, I'd be ashamed to be associated with any organisation with such a past, but that's just me. My dad was an ordinary Polish Soldier who just barely survived Siberia, so my particular dislike of Communism is hard wired.

I doubt anything I can say will change your mind on the subject.<span id='postcolor'>

So are all Christians evil because of the Crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition...? You can't paint a whole group as evil because one particular faction belonging to that group committed evil acts.

Communism isn't evil.

Stalin was evil.

Do you see the difference?

[desantnik 0]

Thank you Fubar, my father worked for the Navy, the Soviet Navy, does that make him a babykiller? I dont think so, its not communism thats the problem its the human factors. Beria killed my Grandma's father who was a kolkhoz worker does that make all the people in the NKVD evil? not really I just blame Beria who was shot anyway but moving on with the Topic at hand....

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You can't say that I didn't warn you.

Moving to Offtopic where you can continue your discussion