dirt>helicopter

[crazyshadowdami 1]

helicopter are to fragile from crashing....errr... flying into ground at speed of 1 kph. in fact, it seems that the heli will be brutally destroyed even when flying at 0.1 kph, as long as the landing gear isnt "down", but this cant be done manually.

[kylania 568]

Which helicopter exactly, a Hind? Make sure you're not banging the tail rotor on the ground.

[crazyshadowdami 1]

you did guess right that it is a hind (<3), but its happening to all other helis i tried. aniway, it happens no-matter how it hits the ground.

[[frl]myke 14]

Hint: do not hit the ground.

[maturin 12]

Don't exaggerate.

[sorophx 25]

he's right though, helicopters in ArmA 2 have a tendency of exploding from any contact with environmental objects. even if you hit a tree's branch with your skis, the chopper will go from 100% condition to *BOOM*

very annoying, I'd like to see an actual damage model for vehicles in arma based on collision

[crazyshadowdami 1]

its somethimes to hard not to hit the ground. im charging at enemies, unloading my arsenal, notice that im going to fast, quickly using the auto-hover, auto-hover works to slow, get crushed into mountain.

[maturin 12]

Exploding is all dependent on speed. Hitting objects does damage the chopper, but you can bump things at low speeds. Likewise, the ground isn't too harsh, there just needs to be outcomes other than fireball.

[crazyshadowdami 1]

i bumped into stuff in minimum speed , and yet it exploded.

[Guest]

its somethimes to hard not to hit the ground. im charging at enemies, unloading my arsenal, notice that im going to fast, quickly using the auto-hover, auto-hover works to slow, get crushed into mountain.

Maybe change your style of flying?

Dont ask me, I suck at the entire game but you do not see me blame that on the game ;)

[maturin 12]

i bumped into stuff in minimum speed , and yet it exploded.

What it minimum speed? There is also forward airspeed and altitude change. I can drop out of the sky with my engine gone and the landing will only damage the chopper.

[okdante 0]

No, the crash model of choppers in Arma2 is far from satisfying. But that's probably limited by the design, hopefully ARMA3 and physx (pray for soft-body implementation) will do better.

In Arma hitting a structure with rotor blades sometimes does not damage the heli at all. Little bouncing on the ground with it's belly can be devastating. The curve of vertical speed/damage is not clear. Sometimes a harsh landing does no damage at all, but when it does, it renders the heli unflyable if not exploding. The damage taken should have a smoother curve. It's been improved a lot since the initial release. Eg. it was not possible to land with horizontal speed, now you can land wheeled choppers in some forward motion.

Rotating blades should not feel like a solid "disc" when hitting an object and even a very slow bump into an object with rotor blades should ground the heli. On the other hand hitting the dirt with the belly should not mean automatically a damage to the engine.

Explosions of every vehicle in ARMA and certain death of everyone inside is a standalone chapter :)

But remember, choppers are very fragile toys.

[[frl]myke 14]

I have to agree with Foxhound: simply learn how to fly. It's not meant offensive but it seems you use the wrong tactics. I fly a lot in ArmA 2 but never encountered any similar problems. It might be that air vehicles tend to blow up too easy but from what you describe, it is more a lack of skills.

..quickly using the auto-hover..

Do not use autohover, it is evil. ;)

[kylania 568]

Myke;2213568']Do not use autohover' date=' it is evil. ;)[/quote']

Tell Dslyecxi that. ;) If used properly (ie, not to actually hover) it's surprisingly effective for a lot of tricks.

[crazyshadowdami 1]

lack of skill? im a beast in san andreas, bf3, enemy teritory quake wars, and many other. but i do admit that i need to get used to this, since i also find it kinda hard to aim at enemies. ive allready modified the controls to fit bf3, but its not enough. chooper controls in arma 2 are quite unique.

[jedra 11]

lack of skill? im a beast in san andreas, bf3, enemy teritory quake wars, and many other. but i do admit that i need to get used to this, since i also find it kinda hard to aim at enemies. ive allready modified the controls to fit bf3, but its not enough. chooper controls in arma 2 are quite unique.

You should grab a copy of Take On Helicopters. Fly around in that for a while and then come back to Arma - you'll find it easier ;-)

Anyway, with a small amount of practice flying in Arma is much more intuitive than flying in BF3 (which is much more of an 'arcade' style). Although Arma flying is in no way a realistic simulation it's more in the sim direction than the games you mention. You just have to drop a helo in the editor and practice for a couple of hours.

In some respects the relative fragility of the Arma choppers is a good thing. In BF3 it's crazy when people use the helo's to ram into everything and survive. You just have to pay the helos a lot more repsect in Arma!

[metalcraze 290]

lack of skill? im a beast in san andreas, bf3, enemy teritory quake wars, and many other.

Hahahaha

This is an entertaining thread

BTW Auto-hover should be completely removed from the game.

Edited August 25, 2012 by metalcraze

[sorophx 25]

but don't real choppers have auto-hover? maybe "improved" would be a better choice?

[[frl]myke 14]

lack of skill? im a beast in san andreas, bf3, enemy teritory quake wars, and many other.

All games that are known to be very accurate Flightsims. Now i wouldn't call ArmA 2 a flight sim either but amongst all (and i mean really all) FPS that have flying stuff, ArmA 2's flight model is by far superior compared to these.

Although it was a really good laugh, never ever compare one of these games with ArmA 2.

[-EVO-Crash 10]

Em I have to agree with the guys who suggest you re-evaluate your flying style.

Any time I suffer a tail rotor failure what I do is line the chopper, be it equipped with skids or wheels, up with a runway and land it like a fixed wing aircraft at a speed of 100 KPH. This speed eliminates any torque induced spin. It is quite survivable.

My point is this, if I can set a chopper down with a forward speed of 100 KPH then I would look to the terrain your landing on and your rate of decent as the cause of your demise.

Also, as has been stated, don't treat ARMA 2 like BF3 or Quake Wars or any arcade game. Flying a chopper like a bat out of hell at 1 meter AGL in between buildings isn't nearly as hard as simply piloting it in a 360 degree turn without changing your airspeed and altitude at all. If you can do that, then your a good pilot because your no longer just pointing in the direction you want to go, your actually piloting it.

[PeterC 10]

Flying in ARMA is very annoying. Just keep at it and practice. It is realistic though and if you land to hard or at a poor angle you will cause mission failing damage to your helio, although ARMA over exaggerates it.

[lev 21]

I can tell by the description of your own flying style that you are either new or bad at flying helos in Arma2. Arma2's helo model, while not perfect, is a lot more realistic than the games you mentioned and it requires more practice to get used to and to be good at.

Here's a mission that you can use to help practice your own flying as well as providing examples of what good flying looks like and what you can do if you are an accomplished pilot:

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12752&highlight=MH-6%2BTRAINING