habdoel 0 Posted June 4, 2002 the belgian army tested also some heli's and the have picked the agusta 109 with 8 TOW missiles. It was a smelly affair. don't trust army tests. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STS_SolidSnake 0 Posted June 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (macho_man_mathijs @ June 04 2002,17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sorry m8s the apache is the best chopper of the two. The Dutch army did extensive testing with both the EuroTiger and the Apache and they picked the Apache. They found that it was faster, could outmanouver and could carry more weapons than the Tigre. So they bought the Apache  This gave the French and the Germans quite a shock actualy, wich could outrageous questions in the European Parlement. Everybody picking on the Netherlands, lol<span id='postcolor'> Long live to Holland! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpetsnazWarriorX 0 Posted June 4, 2002 True, though. We need a good, maneuverable Russian chopper in the game. The Hind is kinda slow and sluggish, even though it packs quite a punch and takes some too. Would be comical to dogfight the Tigre against an Su-25 with only guns allowed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Satchel 0 Posted June 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (macho_man_mathijs @ June 04 2002,18:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sorry m8s the apache is the best chopper of the two. The Dutch army did extensive testing with both the EuroTiger and the Apache and they picked the Apache. They found that it was faster, could outmanouver and could carry more weapons than the Tigre. So they bought the Apache  This gave the French and the Germans quite a shock actualy, wich could outrageous questions in the European Parlement. Everybody picking on the Netherlands, lol<span id='postcolor'> As the netherlands decided against the Tiger, it sure wasn´t because of performance. Based upon flight performance charts the AH-64D and AH-64D Longbow are both inferior to the Tiger, neither do they have anything similar to the multimission and "low vis" capabilities. That any AH-64 outmaneuvers the Tiger is more than unlikely. The AH-64 in all variants is too sophisticated, too expensive, and too heavy for the future battlefield. While the Tiger Helicopter is designed and equipped for the electronic battlefield meeting the latest requirements out of the box, the basic AH-64 can just be upgraded (AH-64D/AH-64D Longbow) to the point where its no longer possible to upgrade, just as you can´t put the latest Athlon into an KT133 board only supporting up to 1300Mhz. The AH-64 fleet will be in a few years time from now where the russians are currently, every "modern" tank nowadays in service by them are just in a lengthy upgrade marathon improved versions of either the T-64(T-80) or T-62(T-72,T-90). As the upgradability is not given anymore they recently started on a completely new concept. Specs taken from www.janes.com ,www.boeing.com and www.eurocop.com.au/pages/specs.html: Max level and max cruising speed: AH-64D (clean) 147 kt (273 km/h; 169 mph) AH-64D Longbow (clean) 141 kt (262 km/h; 163 mph) Tiger (armed @max. weight) 150 kt (277 km/h; 173 mph) Max vertical rate of climb at S/L, standard day: AH-64D 541 m (1,775 ft)/min AH-64D Longbow 450 m (1,475 ft)/min Tiger 690 m (2,264 ft)/min Max range, internal fuel w/o reserves: AH-64D N/A AH-64A 260 n miles (482 km; 300 miles) AH-64D Longbow 257 n miles (476 km; 295 miles) Tiger (@max TO weight) 432 n miles (800 km; 497 miles) </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> The multi-role UHT is capable of performing armed reconnaissance, tank strikes, ground combat support, and air combat/escort. For these missions, the UHT can be equipped with anti-tank HOT or fire-and-forget Trigat LR missiles, Stinger air-to-air missiles, rockets and a gun pod. All these systems have undergone extensive firing trials, demonstrating the specified functions and performance of the weapons systems and the helicopter platform. The modular design concept of the Tiger enables it to be a multi-mission platform from the outset. The basic helicopter can be equipped with different operational systems, providing in-depth flexibility and multi-functionality. The Tiger has all-weather, day-and-night operational capability. Over 80 percent of the airframe is made of composites, which means less weight, better crash protection and a low electromagnetic signature. The Tiger benefits from new generation engines and rotors, and a glass cockpit with display units that decrease crew workload. An integrated helmet system and a Forward-Looking Infrared (FLIR) visionics piloting system are used for night flying missions. The Tiger's equipment also includes a third-generation target identification and acquisition system. On the UH-Tiger, the detectors for the gunner are located in the mast-mounted sight, and for the pilot, on the nose-mounted sight. The mast-mounted sight is used to detect and identify the target. The IR signature is reduced by directing the exhaust gases upward after mixing with cold air. The rotor's quiet-design airfoil section also reduces the noise footprint of the helicopter. Its narrow fuselage minimises visual detectability, and the airframe structure eliminates reflections of radar and infrared waves thanks to an anti-radar absorbent skin. The Tiger is also fitted with nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NEMP) protection. And no other combat helicopter can match the Tiger by offering such a comprehensive and effective solution for the conflicts of the future. Typical missions will be tank strikes, neutralising ground targets, combat support and escort, surveillance and reconnaissance, and protection of unarmed helicopters taking part in humanitarian aid operations. <span id='postcolor'> Sure, the Tiger doesn´t carry as destructive and expensive missiles as the AH-64´s AGM-114 Hellfire, but question is if this munition is needed at all on tomorrows battlefield, as the trend in general is to get away from ultra heavy MBT´s to lighter , more mobile multimission vehicles. Third world countries, where most interdiction and stabilising missions take place nowadays doesn´t require for the heaviest Anti-tank missiles either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted June 4, 2002 Satchel, you have just marvelously pointed out why the Tiger is distinct from the Apache, and therefor worthy of inclusion in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyristhevirus 0 Posted June 4, 2002 I've never seen a chopper do that before, I thought chopper couldn't do flips. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles teg 1 Posted June 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ June 04 2002,21:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">While the Tiger Helicopter is designed and equipped for the electronic battlefield meeting the latest requirements out of the box, the basic AH-64 can just be upgraded (AH-64D/AH-64D Longbow) to the point where its no longer possible to upgrade, just as you can´t put the latest Athlon into an KT133 board only supporting up to 1300Mhz. The AH-64 fleet will be in a few years time from now where the russians are currently, every "modern" tank nowadays in service by them are just in a lengthy upgrade marathon improved versions of either the T-64(T-80) or T-62(T-72,T-90). As the upgradability is not given anymore they recently started on a completely new concept. snip---------<span id='postcolor'> Screw the Tiger and the Apache. Just gimme that gyrocopter from Mad Max II (Road Warrior), and a sawed off shotgun and I'll kick all their arses. Chris G. aka-Miles Teg<GD> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted June 4, 2002 The Apache has never been by stolen by Xenia Onatopp, so its better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpetsnazWarriorX 0 Posted June 4, 2002 I would like to see future custom missions (provided the Tigre gets released into the OFP community soon), featuring true multirole missions. Like, destroy a tank platoon, then provide cover for other friendly platoons trying to advance, while trying to fend off AAA fire and AA units like, say... the Apache. Much like the original 1985 campaign's Air Assault/Air Superiority missions. They were classics... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
