CERN anounce faster than light particles.

[whisper 0]

In science, if a law is broken once, it's not a law anymore.

Actually, the "law" in the theory is that the speed of light is constant, whatever the observation point. The fact that it is the maximum possible speed is a deduction from the law. Made, if CERN results are confirmed, from an incomplete knowledge of the physics, apparently.

CERN result and Einstein may well be completely compatible.

Ofc, they also may... not be :)

[maturin 12]

No laws have been broken. The measurements have been explained away. Too lazy to hunt for article.

[txalin 2]

bad joke :P

!!!riiing, riing!!

- Nutrinos!!

- ¿Who's calling?

[walker 0]

Hi all

A refined experiment has repeated the results.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236

Meanwhile other experiments at CERN are also seem to be showing we need to rewrite the physics text books.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15734668

Kind Regards walker

[ProfTournesol 956]

Very interesting. Are those results being confirmed by other research teams ?

[walker 0]

Very interesting. Are those results being confirmed by other research teams ?

Hi ProfTournesol

The Japanese team had seen similar results but like the OPERA team at CERN were reluctant to publish. Both the Japanese and the US Fermi lab are repeating the experiment. We will know in about 6 months.

The refined shortened period experiment that CERN's OPERA team just published puts paid to a lot of the objections and has seriously refined out experimental error disputes.

But repeatability is the final answer.

Kind Regards walker

Edited November 18, 2011 by walker

[Daniel 0]

Some interesting listening on the subject.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0106tjc

[sparks50 0]

I see a Top Gear race coming,

"How hard can it be?"

[4 IN 1 0]

I want to see hamster in his Flash costume:p

[gammadust 12]

Just an update... it looks like it was "faulty wiring" interfering with the measurements.

“According to sources familiar with the experiment, the 60 nanoseconds discrepancy appears to come from a bad connection between a fiber optic cable that connects to the GPS receiver used to correct the timing of the neutrinos’ flight and an electronic card in a computer,†Cartlidge reported.

Edit: sry for slight necroing.

[whisper 0]

Not really the fault of the bad optic fiber, from what I've read.

2 errors had slipped through the experiment, 1 making the neutrino appear faster than what they really are, another making them appear slower than what they really are.

1) There was a GPS synchronization issue between both sites were the experiment took place, making neutrinos appear faster

2) 1 optical fiber was faulty, making neutrinos appear slower

They are calculating how everything balances out or not, but the sync issue is considered to explain the abnormal measures done at the time. Not sure OPERA is still operational atm, they may need to wait some more weeks before doing some new experiments

[Fox '09 14]

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[[aps]gnat 28]

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