Planet of war mod

[VerySolidSnake 0]

I'm thinking this is a pretty good idea and all, but I'm still not convinced this can possibly be pulled off. What are your thoughts on it? Do you think its worth purchasing?

[Scorpio 0]

im very confused....Who is STS Solid Snake, and Solid Snake, and Very Solid Snake? I dunno which im talking to

[STS_SolidSnake 0]

My thoughts? You stole my name!

[Jamesia 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (VerySolidSnake @ May 30 2002,03:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm thinking this is a pretty good idea and all, but I'm still not convinced this can possibly be pulled off. What are your thoughts on it? Do you think its worth purchasing?<span id='postcolor'>

The thing that you buy is not the finished MOD. Its just a CD stuffed with addons and missions.

[quakergamer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jamesia @ May 30 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (VerySolidSnake @ May 30 2002,03:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm thinking this is a pretty good idea and all, but I'm still not convinced this can possibly be pulled off. What are your thoughts on it? Do you think its worth purchasing?<span id='postcolor'>

The thing that you buy is not the finished MOD. Its just a CD stuffed with addons and missions.<span id='postcolor'>

Well it got the full-mod engine no ?

[Miles 0]

is this legal? I liked goettorfunke's (sp?) work up till he became a ripoff merchant. No other mods are charging.

[timmy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Miles @ May 30 2002,04:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is this legal? I liked goettorfunke's (sp?) work up till he became a ripoff merchant.  No other mods are charging.<span id='postcolor'>

i didnt follow the whole gotterfunke thing, what exactly happend

[Speeeedy 0]

As far as i can remember its not legal to do this unless Codemaster gets part of the money and they agree

[VerySolidSnake 0]

wait, so you download the mod? Is the whole point of buying the cd kind of like the retail version of CounterStrike? You can either download huge files or just purchase a cd with it on it?

And STS_SolidSnake, you stole my name!!!

[Goetterfunke2 0]

well , it's legal

just like its legal that codemasters sells OFP without paying to microsoft

OFP doesnt come with an system

POW doesnt come with game engine

so its legally the same thing - so the justice gave us right

however I contacted marek spanel about that

he said, that he find pow impressing but it aint his decision -

i should ask Codemasters about that

so i contacted codemasters, and our publisher offered them to recieve money for each sold POW CD

but Codemasters reaction was just another court thing...

so B.I. doesnt care much about POW i think

and for Codemasters its just a think that reduces their profit

so it's understandable that they try to prevent it

however, i have learned from that

My next game will be a fullprice game - i'm just collecting together the new team

that commercial addon stuff causes too much trouble

anyway, i hope you will enjoy pow a lot - our betatesters had great fun in playing the campaigns and the POW matches

stay tuned

[Lt. Jimbo 0]

So, are you selling the POW mod?

Or is it for free now?

[ALDEGA 0]

Goetterfunke, I do not think it is legal and I'm still disgruntled about that entire "desert storm" commercial addon (which was also by you?). BI spent years making the game engine, and now, just like that, you start selling addons for it and making money off it. That just ain't right!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just like its legal that codemasters sells OFP without paying to microsoft

OFP doesnt come with an system

POW doesnt come with game engine

so its legally the same thing - so the justice gave us right<span id='postcolor'>

1) Windows is an operating system. OF is an application.

2) Microsoft wants companies to make software for it's OS's, because that will boost sales of their OS's. Why would anybody buy an OS for which there is no available software?

3) You are making money off something, which took BIS several years to develop. You are not compensating BIS for using their work. To put it in "nature" terms, you are a "parasite", a "leech".

"so the justice gave us right". Which justice department said it was right? Does that mean that it applies in other countries (answer: no it doesn't).

[theavonlady 2]

I don't find anything worng with making commercial addons like PoW. I also don't find anything wrong with free ones.

[Goetterfunke2 0]

@Aldega

desert storm wasnt by me

i have never done a commercial addon before -

POW was my first and last time so far.

second thing is that codemasters lost at court and we won

the reason is:

we sell our work, not the work of codemasters

you cant paly POW without having their product so thats the way they profit from it, too

just if we would make new seats for a Mercedes BEnz -

Daimler Chrysler couldnt prevent it

So lets close that discussion - as it's already too late anyway and I start doing games from scratch now - as the thing i want to do is making games

@avonlady

thx and respect for your work

[ALDEGA 0]

Didn't know it was by you. All I can remember that its site was hosted at xmp.de and your site is there too, isn't it?

btw, my vision still stands.

[Goetterfunke2 0]

that could be

xmp has done a lot of addons before

but they were not my work

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

btw, my vision still stands.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah its ok, we have freedom of thoughts/speech

anyway it was great fun to work fulltime on pow - i have to get bak a lot of sleep in the next days...

well and now it's in stores - thats a nice feeling

btw

if someone reads that who wanna join a fullprice game and think he has enough free time - mail to steinberg24@gmx.net

so far...

[ALDEGA 0]

By "full price game", do you mean like a game which you completely build from the ground up (including the game engine)?

[Goodspeed 0]

With no doubt I will buy it

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

I think its okay to make a commercial product for OFP.

As allrdy stated it can in no way reduce sales from Codemasters, since the CD doesnt contain the OFP engine.

You need the original OFP to play, and people will therefor also buy that. I cant see why any1 can have a pain in the butt over it.

[ALDEGA 0]

The point is:

-somebody that already has OF and buys POW will only benefit Goetterfunke, not BIS.

-somebody who wants to buy POW, but doesn't have OF, isn't likely to buy OF AND POW. (that's quite a lot of money, especially since you're paying like 49€ for something that you don't want to use).

So, basicly Goetterfunke makes money off it, BIS doesn't. Yet Goetterfunke's "product" uses the OF engine. Did Goetterfunke support BIS in anyway so they could develop OF?

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALDEGA @ May 31 2002,15:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The point is:

-somebody that already has OF and buys POW will only benefit Goetterfunke, not BIS.<span id='postcolor'>

So? The example of seats for Mercedes before was good and legit.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-somebody who wants to buy POW, but doesn't have OF, isn't likely to buy OF AND POW. (that's quite a lot of money, especially since you're paying like 49€ for something that you don't want to use).<span id='postcolor'>

So? Same for the Mercedes seat, if you don't have a Mercedes.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, basicly Goetterfunke makes money off it, BIS doesn't.<span id='postcolor'>

So?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yet Goetterfunke's "product" uses the OF engine.<span id='postcolor'>

So? More precisely, it requires the OFP engine and code.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Did Goetterfunke support BIS in anyway so they could develop OF?<span id='postcolor'>

First of all, who said he had to? Second, I'm sure he bought OFP. Third, the more good quality addons and mods made for a product, the better for the product's PR. And that benefits BIS and CM, even though no one is obligated to in this case.

[Goetterfunke2 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALDEGA @ May 31 2002,13:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By "full price game", do you mean like a game which you completely build from the ground up (including the game engine)?<span id='postcolor'>

yes, but the engine will be licenced from www.codecult.de as it has stunning graphics, is cheap and very flexible - and we cant prog a good engine with multiplayer support on our own...

another thing is the time it would need to be developed

so by licensing it, we save time and trouble but loosing some money (but thats not so tragix )

[Goodspeed 0]

I totally agree with Avon Lady.

P.S. The international copyrights laws allow that. In our situation publisher cant limit user rights to make and sell their own work. And I really hope that they wount do it.

For people, who still got some doubt: open your game box and read your software license argeement.

[Antichrist 0]

Hey I fully behind POW on this issue! If there is a chance to make some extra cash, why not?

[VerySolidSnake 0]

Some very good points Goetterfunke2, no one can possibly argue against them without making themselves look like a total @ss . I'll for sure buy PoW.

Btw, is it coming over to the states?